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      Quote Originally Posted by Nayla View Post
      As you said above, shi3a adopt the fact that the Prophet's parents and even grand-father were Hanafi, or Abrahamic, which is neither Christianism nor Judaism.
      All shi3a are absolutely convinced that they were muslims and there's no contradictions between shiites on that subject.
      However, it seems that the ancestors of the takfiris now had established since these times the "takfir" strategy and they started with the Prophet's parents, but very oddly, they did their best to make abou sufian (mou3awiya's "dad" :P ) believer and they "think" he'll be in heaven with his "son" and "grand-son". Weird!!!! while reading some "stories", you think that mou3awiya is more honored among those wahhabis than the Prophet himself, so that you doubt about their faith.

      Of course, I'm not judging them: some false stories were created during the dark omeyad era and unfortunatly, nobody tries to use his brain or to question some of them because they were taught that using brain = kofr :P (man fakkara kafara :P )
      7aram, I really pity them because they think they're right and they don't know that they're been bluffed all this time :)

      wlk, imagine that they consider the Prophet's act of mercy when he went to visit his jewish neighbor as not true:



      It's offensive to see how they're trying to make him look as a non merciful person just to justify their crimes against the whole humanity :)

      I won't talk about their stories where they pretended that mou3awiya didn't force people to insult and to curse Imam Ali 3alyhi al salam for almost 60 years, and this heresy was banned by the "fifth kalif, Omar ben 3abd l 3aziz">
      Enno, the story of the ban exists in their books and even the story of the obligatory curse but they use some distorted ways to find mou3awiya innocent.. maybe they think that he should be the prophet w allah ghalbat? chaippaje :)




      I think it's the opinion of some historian who found this somewhere or who deduced it from many wrong interpretations.. It's valuable to share with us this research and it's good to see how some historian see the Islamic religion and how they interpret it. Maybe he made a link between the moon god and the Islamic calendar that is based on the moon's motion during the month and he founded the whole reasoning around that specific point.

      As it was mentioned above, Islam has something in common with many religions like Judaism or Christianism (the terrible punishing God of the jews and the Merciful God of the Christians) but it doesn't mean that Islam doesn't have its own characteristics.
      I think it was logical to be taught about the punishing God, specially that the audience was rude men living in the desert (most of their descendants still living with them in the past :P )and the Merciful should be known because that's GOD.

      lat, mounat and 3ouzza were worshipped gods indeed and it seems that they were girls ( mn 2awwelton bye3bado l neswen l jame3a :P ) but the first thing the Prophet did is to destroy them.. so I don't think that they had an impact inside the Islamic religion, allahoumma except for our sunni fellows who enjoy calling 7ezballah, 7ezballat :P

      In the shiit perspective, God's Merciful, Fair, Loving, Helping... and many positive attributes of course. He sure punishes because punishement is logical in the afterlife, specially to those who enjoy killing others and slaughtering them, otherwise, God wouldn't be Fair,
      In the shiite doctrin, the man is has a free will and he's responsible.. what I mean here is that if he encounter some problem, he doesn't open a book to see how X ibn Y solved it but he uses his brain to find a solution because that's why brains are made for :P


      To sum up, That's what makes this huge difference between sunni and shiit a7adith. Many sunni will insist that the Prophet's parents were kuffar because they don't dare to analyse and find the truth..

      And I think that the analysis of the historian guy was a little subjective and based on some wrong interpretations he found in a library.
      Islam wouldn't have survived without Abu Taleb (Imam Ali's father) yet Sunnis make him a kafir who's going to Hell...
      Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Quran Hidden Content )

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      Any religion or scholar figured out an explanation on the quakes happening in other planets where no life seems to be going on?
      Who is God trying to punish? Since most religions believe earthquakes are one of his ways of punishments?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Republican View Post
      Are you saying that Shia have a different religion and ideology?

      P.S: this hadith also exists in bihar anvar
      The difference between the Shia and others is the difference between Yazeed and Hussein. The uktimate sacrifuce was made to save Mohammad's religion, which survives in Imamah, only.

      The Hadith is 'Bukhari'.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Genius View Post
      Any religion or scholar figured out an explanation on the quakes happening in other planets where no life seems to be going on?
      Who is God trying to punish? Since most religions believe earthquakes are one of his ways of punishments?
      The red sentence has no theological foundation in Christianity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Republican View Post
      There are two problems here Dalzi,

      1. "Whoever kills is killed" these are the words of a tribal chief not of a prophet of peace.
      That's called 'justice'.

      You can forgive me if I kill your father, and that would make you a better person before God, but if you kill mine you're dead.

      2. You say what happened is contradictory to scripture, I am sorry to tell you it is not, look here:
      ٰ ﴿: 33﴾

      And this is exactly what happened in the above story which you find "completely out of prophetic character", and of course you are correct to assume that...
      The above story is Ummayad bs.

      Torah. Pharoah and his men did the above to believers, so the Divine law of the Torah was handed down to Moses as such.

      Al'Maidah:32-34
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      Quote Originally Posted by kmarthe View Post
      The red sentence has no theological foundation in Christianity.
      I don't know where he got that 'most religions believe...' from lol No theological foundation in Islam either.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Genius View Post
      Any religion or scholar figured out an explanation on the quakes happening in other planets where no life seems to be going on?
      Who is God trying to punish? Since most religions believe earthquakes are one of his ways of punishments?
      Why do you see it as a punishment? It's life. Each will die and each has a different death. Death is not a punishment, it's the end of round 1 lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
      Islam wouldn't have survived without Abu Taleb (Imam Ali's father) yet Sunnis make him a kafir who's going to Hell...
      That's true. They say he died a kafer, and some say 'maybe' he said the shahadah on his deathbed lol

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      [QUOTE=Genius;1472387]
      Quote Originally Posted by Republican View Post
      There are two problems here Dalzi,

      1. "Whoever kills is killed" these are the words of a tribal chief not of a prophet of peace.
      2. You say what happened is contradictory to scripture, I am sorry to tell you it is not, look here:
      ٰ ﴿: 33﴾[COLOR=#006400] [/COOR]

      And this is exactly what happened on the above story which you find "completely out of prophetic character", and of course you are correct to ass

      Do you realize how dangerous these passages are.

      What does it mean today fight the prophet and cause corruption

      It is open to so many interpretations, for the smallest wrong doing, these passages are used to cut pieces by the butchers, in Syria as one example .
      The Qur'an is clear or the right of self-defence when 'attacked'. Initiating harm on others is forbidden.

      The butchers in Syria are the awaited Sufyanis attacking God, his Prophet and believers. We have the religious duty to eradicate them.

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      [QUOTE=Dalzi;1472801]
      Quote Originally Posted by Genius View Post
      The Qur'an is clear or the right of self-defence when 'attacked'. Initiating harm on others is forbidden.

      The butchers in Syria are the awaited Sufyanis attacking God, his Prophet and believers. We have the religious duty to eradicate them.
      the koran is anything but clear. Without ahadeeth no one has clue about the context and the meanings.

      Is killing apostates a self defense? Yes/No? If not, this means Khomeini and Nassrallah are not good beleivers.
      Since Khomeini issued death fatwas and Nassrallah strongly accepted them.

      War booties are self defense? That's how Mohamed and his men earned their living.

      The last phrase sounds like someone brainwashed and acting without reason, simliar sentences are also repeated by the butcher wahhabis in Syria.
      Come on, This is not what religions should be about.
      Plus they are attacking God? Ennemies of God? he created them ... !!
      and God relies on bashar al Asad for help? a secular dictator?


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