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    Freemasonry is accused to favor Zionism plan for the Mankind.

    If true why.
    If false, would you please give some evidence that Freemasons and Zionists relationship's is not always friendly.
     
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    Freemasonry is accused to favor Zionism plan for the Mankind.

    If true why.
    If false, would you please give some evidence that Freemasons and Zionists relationship's is not always friendly.
    Zionism is simply wanting a nation for Jewish people. There is no "plan for mankind" involved.
    And Zionism was actually started as an idea by Evangelical Christians in the 17th century even before secularists and Jews [Sharif, Regina (1983). Non-Jewish Zionism: Its Roots in Western History].

    Arab / Bedouin freemasonry is generally anti-Israel.
    European Freemasonry doesn't look at the "holy land" as a holy land to incorporate Zionism. Or adopts the story of Moses and Jews being in Egypt and being promised a land (like Islam and Christianity do).

    But historically, some Freemasonry lobbies did support Israel (referred to in Antoun Saadeh's resignation from a lodge in South America).
    It's more a matter of politics than word conspiracy though.

    The link between Freemasonry and Judaism is mostly cultural sensationalism. Freemasonry incorporates elements of the Jewish Kabbalah, but has contrasting religious ideas to Judaism / Abrahamic faiths and a return to Ancient religions.
     
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    I would recommend doing English then arabic not doing paragraph by paragraph, it hurts the eyes :)

    Its interesting, I wonder who inspired who. my bet is on Masons getting inspiration from Druze "mysticism"
     
    agnostic

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    In my perception of Zionism :
    - plan is not to create country from Nile to Euphrate but to create a unique and global state that covers the whole planet Earth.
    - The non-Jewish Mankind should be useful for the Zionists or disappear

    If Zionism is restrained from Nile to Euphrate, why did the Zionists claimed that Pope Benedict XVI should leave
    May be @Muki can give his perception that is obviously more accurate than mine (if genuine of course and not a tricky one) about the ultimate goal of the Zionism.
     
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    @Mysobalanus
    In my perception of Zionism :
    - plan is not to create country from Nile to Euphrate but to create a unique and global state that covers the whole planet Earth.
    - The non-Jewish Mankind should be useful for the Zionists or disappear

    If Zionism is restrained from Nile to Euphrate, why did the Zionists claimed that Pope Benedict XVI should leave
    May be @Muki can give his perception that is obviously more accurate than mine (if genuine of course and not a tricky one) about the ultimate goal of the Zionism.
    Happy to oblige, but first: turn off almanar.

    Zionism is Jewish national liberation movement.

    Zionism is designed to free Jewish Homeland of all imperialist/colonialist conquerors, be it Turks, be it Brits or be it Arabs, and rebuild Jewish home.
     
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    Happy to oblige, but first: turn off almanar.

    Zionism is Jewish national liberation movement.

    Zionism is designed to free Jewish Homeland of all imperialist/colonialist conquerors, be it Turks, be it Brits or be it Arabs, and rebuild Jewish home.
    Why did Zionists want (and they got) the dismissal of Pope Benedict XVI? Enno shu 5asskon as non catholics about the Pope
    Why is freedom of speech not allowed in the West when it targets some Jews while it is when it concerns other populations?
    Why is Israel unable to make peace, even with an eunuch like Mahmoud Abbas?
     
    NewB

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    Freemasonry is accused to favor Zionism plan for the Mankind.

    If true why.
    If false, would you please give some evidence that Freemasons and Zionists relationship's is not always friendly.
    The goal of freemasonry is to rebuild the 3rd Temple of Solomon.


    That's the shortest summary I can give you.
     
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    The goal of freemasonry is to rebuild the 3rd Temple of Solomon.


    That's the shortest summary I can give you.
    Al-Hakem Bi Amr Allah arguably did that.
    If you check one particular Ismaeli built mosque.
     
    NewB

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    Al-Hakem Bi Amr Allah arguably did that.
    If you check one particular Ismaeli built mosque.
    The deal of the century is the rebuilding of the 3rd temple. So maybe the druze attempted that but it didn't trigger the required events.

    Druze religion intersects with Kabbalah (jewish mysticism). It also shares similarities with Hinduism, Sufism. They all have the same underlying principles.
     
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    Why did Zionists want (and they got) the dismissal of Pope Benedict XVI? Enno shu 5asskon as non catholics about the Pope
    Why is freedom of speech not allowed in the West when it targets some Jews while it is when it concerns other populations?
    Why is Israel unable to make peace, even with an eunuch like Mahmoud Abbas?
    Isn't there a dedicated thread for this ?
     
    agnostic

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    The goal of freemasonry is to rebuild the 3rd Temple of Solomon.
    the 3rd Temple of Solomon has a symbolic signification, that is their ultimate goal of Mankind. So we can confidently that Freemasonry has the same ultimate goal than Zionism.
     
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    the 3rd Temple of Solomon has a symbolic signification, that is their ultimate goal of Mankind. So we can confidently that Freemasonry has the same ultimate goal than Zionism.
    No. Freemasons protected the Kaaba and Muslim holy places during the crusades when Christians dominated. This should tell you what you need to know. Please lmk if you want a citation.
     
    agnostic

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    @Mysobalanus
    Do all Druze religious factions share the same attachement to Shia Ismail,
    and what does Druze religion still have in common with Shia Ismaili?
     
    agnostic

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    No. Freemasons protected the Kaaba and Muslim holy places during the crusades when Christians dominated. This should tell you what you need to know. Please lmk if you want a citation.
    That's interesting. But my question concerned the ultimate goal of the freemasonry, ya3ne the ultimate aim of their lobbying and schemes.
     
    NewB

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    the 3rd Temple of Solomon has a symbolic signification, that is their ultimate goal of Mankind. So we can confidently that Freemasonry has the same ultimate goal than Zionism.
    It's more than symbolic. Establishing the state of Israel was the first step. if you know 'wa3ed belfour' you should also know who that promise was made by (Rothschilds). We are currently near the end of the plan. The third temple is already established under the aqsa mosque (video #2). Freemasonry hooks the elite and politicians into supporting Israel in it's initiative that's it.


    1990 - Nitinyahu being asked by one of the highest ranking Rabbis at the time to do something to bring the Messiah.

    3rd temple under aqsa
     
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    It's more than symbolic. Establishing the state of Israel was the first step. if you know 'wa3ed belfour' you should also know who that promise was made by (Rothschilds). We are currently near the end of the plan. The third temple is already established under the aqsa mosque (video #2). Freemasonry hooks the elite and politicians into supporting Israel in it's initiative that's it.


    1990 - Nitinyahu being asked by one of the highest ranking Rabbis at the time to do something to bring the Messiah.

    3rd temple under aqsa
    Nonsense.
    (1) Freemasonry rejects the notion that the temple of Solomon is near the Fake Aqsa mosque or the Fake Roman wall.
    (2) The temple requires to be build on a surface with clear characteristics on the outside. (e.g Two pillars)
    (3) Freemasons don't need Israel. They can build it using the Muslims too.
    (4) Waed Balfoor came from an Evangelical Christian idea in the 17th century.
     
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    Morals and dogma
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    The deal of the century is the rebuilding of the 3rd temple. So maybe the druze attempted that but it didn't trigger the required events.

    Druze religion intersects with Kabbalah (jewish mysticism). It also shares similarities with Hinduism, Sufism. They all have the same underlying principles.
    Druze Religion is a Crypto-Jewish Religion. Same as with Massonism...Hence the similarities in symbols, etc. Masonism tries to "water down" Christianity in favor of other religions. Christians believe that Jesus is THE way to God the Father.

    "Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him." John 14:6. This is in contrast to Masonic teachings.

    Here is the link showing that Druze are Crypto-Jews:

    MK Kara: Druze Descend from Jews
    The secret is out, says Druze MK Ayoub Kara: "The Druze are actually descended from the Jewish people, and genetic evidence proves it."
    David Lev, 25/10/10 00:17 | updated: 11:19


    For centuries, practitioners of the Druze religion took care not to reveal any information about the nature of their beliefs, rituals, and traditions. Under penalty of communal ostracism, or worse, members of Druze communities have refrained from telling any outsider more than basic details about their religion.
    "Druze here are too fearful to loudly proclaim their sympathies with Israel, or to convert to Judaism, although some do – because of the fear of what might happen to their brethren in Syria and Lebanon.''


    But now, the secret is out. Druze MK Ayoub Kara (Likud) says members of the Druze communities believe in many of the same things that Jews do. And that's not surprising, he adds, since the Druze are actually descended from the Jewish people - and he says he can bring genetic evidence to prove it.

    According to Kara, who is politically allied with the Jewish nationalist camp, there are many aspects of Druze beliefs that mesh with Judaism: “All our prophets are Jewish ones – Moses, Judah, Jethro, and Zevulun, the son of Jacob.” In fact, he says, the Druze are likely one of the lost tribes of the Jewish people – probably Zevulun, considering his special status among them.
    According to Kara, there are no vestigial Jewish practices among the Druze – as there are, surprisingly, among some Arabs in the Land of Israel – but one symbol has stuck with the Druze throughout the centuries. “Only among Druze do you find a red Star of David, in homes, cemeteries, and places of worship,” Kara says. “This is one sign that has been open and visible for centuries, unlike most of the other ones, yet few have noticed.”

    If the Druze dropped most, if not all, Jewish ritual, it's because they feared the sword of Islam. “Unlike Jews and Christians, who have the status of “people of the Book” among Muslims, and are therefore are given some basic rights, Druze are simply heretics to Islam, and such heretics must be either converted or eliminated,” Kara explains. In fact, Druze were massacred by Muslims on several occasions, and “it would have been much worse if they had identified themselves as Jews.” As a result, the Druze initially converted to Christianity and subsequently took on a Muslim identity – but through it all, they never forgot their Jewish identity.

    Those roots explain, at least in part, the fierce loyalty the Druze in Israel have to the state. “However, Druze here are too fearful to loudly proclaim their sympathies with Israel, or to convert to Judaism, although some do – because of the fear of what might happen to their brethren in Syria and Lebanon,” Kara said. Druze soldiers have given their lives for Israel and have risen high in IDF ranks. However, Druze tradition is to be loyal to whatever country rules the area they live in, so that Druze in Syria are loyal to Syria.

    And then there is the genetic study, which shows that Druze display genetic attributes quite similar to those of Jews (see the study for the technical details). “A major genetic test from last year, the first extensive test done of the Druze, proves my contention clearly,” says Kara.

    Not all experts are convinced – at least not yet. Tsvi MiSinai, an Israeli author who has conducted extensive investigations into the cultural and genetic background of the Arabs living west of the Jordan River, and who has concluded that the vast majority of them are descended from the Jewish nation, believes that more study is necessary. “According to the study, the genetic cluster of Druze coincides closely with those of the Samaritans, and is very close to the genetic clusters of Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Jews from the Caucasus,” says MiSinai, author of an ambitious study on “Jewish nationhood” called “Brother Shall Not Lift Sword Against Brother.”

    While the evidence so far is persuasive, MiSinai wants to see more. “We know from history that there were definitely Jewish villages that became part of the Druze community, mostly to avoid being forced to convert to Islam, such as the residents of the villages of Abu Snein and Yarcha. If the genetic samples were taken from there, it doesn't say much about the rest of the Druze. I would want to see more of an in-depth study,” MiSinai says.

    Kara says that his evidence stands on its own merits. “For thousands of years the Druze suffered,” he said, “so it's understandable that they would be a little hesitant to come forward after only 60 years of Israel's existence. But when you check our beliefs – and our veneration of the great Jewish prophets – the matter should become clear.”
     
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