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TayyarBeino

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@joey__grgs

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3h

سُئِل الرئيس عون اليوم من قِبَل أحد الزوار ما رأيك بمشهد الأمس فأجاب : "جبران جبّار وثقتي فيه مطلقة وثقتي بالتيار وجمهور التيار يلي ولا يوم خذلني كل ما كنت ناديه ويلبّبيني كمان كبيرة، لهيك أنا متطمن ع مستقبل التيار ومستقبل لبنان يلي رح نوصل فيه لأهدافنا ببناء دولة لو قد ما تأخرت"
 

Manifesto

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
We have backed the investigation unconditionally, while giving Bitar the benefit of the doubt. Now, we need him to press on and pursue justice. Personally, I want to see him cast a wider net.

He's the judge, though. He has all the given and he knows how to do his job. Let's hope he is brave enough to actually go for it. Diab is nothing compared to Hariri and Mikati. There are other judges and army leaders to be investigated. There are many more ministers and many more red lines. Even the President should be questioned. I don't know about Gebran, but I will not support Bitar if he doesn't live up to that responsibility.... Time will tell.

So, why are you backing him unconditionally if you believe he left out some key people?
Why Diab, not Hariri or Mikati like you said?
What about army personnel?
A good judge shouldn't have any red lines.

The Hariri tribunal was widely politicized. What makes you sure this one won't be?

Those supporting Bitar are doing so because they're happy to see AHK indicted. But that is not enough reason to trust the judge's integrity.
Lebanese people are driven by emotions and political vendetas, not by reason.

Had Bitar accused any M14 figures, I can assure you that the same ones defending him today would be calling him a traitor.
 
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sailormoon

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FPM celebrated the 13 of october, the day when Aoun surrendered and ran away to the french embassy without giving a real fight, he recognized himself once in an interview in otv that he didn t intent to wage a battle and knew in advance that as soon as the syrians jets will bombard he ll leave to the french embassy and announce his surrender, that s why he intentionally put aside his best troops (8th brigade ,maghaweer etc…) even a week before the battle. So Aoun was lying to the people vowing he ll be the last man standing that he ll fight until his last breath while he knew in advance and preparing his surrender. If Aoun really fought and resisted the 13 october 1990 the outcome of the battle could be completely different. The real heroes of that day were the few hundred LA soldiers who fought despite the suicidal order to surrender, but definitely not Aoun.

All these wars Aoun ignited (liberation war , inter christian ilgha2 war) under the banner of the sovereinty of lebanon and that there should be no army exept the LA , all this for what ?? To end up being the lackeys of the most despicable militia the war produced that has built a rogue state/army within the state just for personnal interests to have presidency , ministries here and there. To become part of the same establishment you were fighting in 1989, to end up bowing your head to the same syrian regime you were against in the past. Such a pathetic end that you sugercoat with empty speeches.

When you were in the opposition , in order to cover your flip flop illogic submission with Hezbollah you pretended that your raison d’etre became to « fight corruption » and bring reforms, but when you reached power not only you proved to be unable to fight corruption or bring any reforms but you proved to be also corrupted.
what FPM presented as to be the « 3ahd el 2awe » proved to be the worst 3ahd of the lebanese history , never lebanon was such in a bad shape as it is now.
At the end FPM proved to be a lost cause , neither you were able to restore Lebanese sovereignty on the contrary , nor you fought corruption but you are among the plunderers , nor you were able to stop the deterioration of the economy and the country , nor you even had the guts to have a clear position given the situation and you are even not able to protect people…

35 years Aoun/FPM is around the only thing you achieved is to be the Christian cover of Hezballa and their iranian backed hegemony project of Lebanon (in other therms you are their useful idiots) .
Today FPM is an empty shell in a political /ideological bankrupcy michel Aoun is a fantoche president manno 2eder y rakeb jemle 3ala ba3da, Gibran Bassil the factual leader of fpm is Imo nothing but an arrivist charlatan.
To answer the question of the topic (lesh ba3d fi shabeb bel tayyar ?) yes there unfortunately still people in FPM , what s left of fpm popular base can be divided in 3 categories :

1- The arrivists , who hope that by being in fpm they ll reach a post or build a political carrer.
2- the ones who support fpm because they have an interest (fpm is providing wasayet , business, a job or whatever advantage)
3- and at the end the jlabeet / sheeps , who follow blindly and are too brainwashed or idiotic to get the big picture and realise what s really happening .
 

Dr. Strangelove

Nuclear War Expert
Staff member
So, why are you backing him unconditionally if you believe he left out some key people?
Why Diab, not Hariri or Mikati like you said?
What about army personnel?
A good judge shouldn't have any red lines.

The Hariri tribunal was widely politicized. What makes you sure this one won't be?

Those supporting Bitar are doing so because they're happy to see AHK indicted. But that is not enough reason to trust the judge's integrity.
Lebanese people are driven by emotions and politically vendetas, not by reason.

Had Bitar accused any M14 figures, I can assure you that the same ones defending him today would be calling him a traitor.
As I said, we are backing the INVESTIGATION unconditionally (the investigation must happen, shu ma sar), while giving Bitar the benefit of the doubt for now (we want to give him a chance to cast a wider net and show that the investigation is not political).

I agree with all that you're saying.
 
All these kbar w zghar w twal w 2sar w 2awedem w ma 3endon wala no2tet dam 3a kaffon , what would they respond if they were asked to choose between Hezballah and Tarek el Bitar ?
 

Dr. Strangelove

Nuclear War Expert
Staff member
All these kbar w zghar w twal w 2sar w 2awedem w ma 3endon wala no2tet dam 3a kaffon , what would they respond if they were asked to choose between Hezballah and Tarek el Bitar ?
The speech Gebran made already backed the investigation and the judge, pushing him to widen his investigation further. If you're asking what their individual opinions are, nobody can answer that but them, individually... And I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're trying to make a point at all.
 

Viral

Well-Known Member
So, why are you backing him unconditionally if you believe he left out some key people?
Why Diab, not Hariri or Mikati like you said?
What about army personnel?
A good judge shouldn't have any red lines.

The Hariri tribunal was widely politicized. What makes you sure this one won't be?

Those supporting Bitar are doing so because they're happy to see AHK indicted. But that is not enough reason to trust the judge's integrity.
Lebanese people are driven by emotions and politically vendetas, not by reason.

Had Bitar accused any M14 figures, I can assure you that the same ones defending him today would be calling him a traitor.
I fully agree with all you said!
Don't change anything from now on so we can stay friends😜
 
The speech Gebran made already backed the investigation and the judge, pushing him to widen his investigation further. If you're asking what their individual opinions are, nobody can answer that but them, individually... And I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're trying to make a point at all.
My point is that FPM cannot dare to take any decision that contradicts HA's will.

FPM exists only because HA wishes so. And the very reason the former exists is because the latter has not yet said its final verdict.

Those are indeed 2awedem and innocent people. Yet that does not absolve them from not being naive. And thankfully they a minority now.

Anyway we can already see the differences among Aounists themselves: I just finished watching ziad aswad's bashing amal bou zeid...

Today the country is split between HA and LF. And nothing in between. FM, joumblat and FPM are melting away because they don't dare to take any daring decision.

The extremes are gaining power and the meek is overlooked.

All these "2awedem" will not and cannot free Lebanon from the Iranian occupation.
 

Dr. Strangelove

Nuclear War Expert
Staff member
My point is that FPM cannot dare to take any decision that contradicts HA's will.

FPM exists only because HA wishes so. And what remains from the former is only because the latter has not yet said its final verdict.

Those are indeed 2awedem and innocent people. Yet that does not absolve them from not being naive. And thankfully they a minority now.

Anyway we can already see the differences among Aounists themselves: I just finished watching ziad aswad's bashing amal bou zeid...
Except that the FPM always takes decisions that don't align with Hezbollah's stance, masalan? Like, all the time?

I'm not interested in your speculation, although it is amusing to see someone so confidently claim that any party right now is the majority or the minority. You should hold your horses - elections, if they will happen, are only a few months away.
 
Except that the FPM always takes decisions that don't align with Hezbollah's stance, masalan? Like, all the time?

I'm not interested in your speculation, although it is amusing to see someone so confidently claim that any party right now is the majority or the minority. You should hold your horses - elections, if they will happen, are only a few months away.
Majority and minority does not make sense as long as a terrorist organization threatens the lives of innocent people and many corrupt parties such as the one you proudly support back it.

The coming elections will be FPM against FPM (i.e ziad aswad vs amal bou zeid, roger azar vs nada boustany, etc.) and that is real fun to watch.
 

sailormoon

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No doubt he's evolving into first Class credible Leader!
I bet this speech made GMA proud and gave him new life.
I wonder what Geagea sponsors are thinking now. Do they want to deal with a back stabber prostitute who goes with the highest bidder of an honest man with principles they can rely on as a friend but NOT as an agent...
Hala2 men kel 3a2lak he s a first class leader , honest man with principles ? The guy is a nobody ,then he earned billions from kissing the buts of hezballa , the Syrian regime , and from corruption, by plundering what was left of the lebanese state s money. Heyda houwwe el massal el a3zam taba3kon ?

If according to you Ja3ja3 is a « prostitue who goes to the higher bider » then who Gebran Bassil is ? If not a political whore who sold himself to hezbollah , the syrian regime. And probably in the future he would prostitute himself with whoever is strong and will give him presidency or a ministry.
 

Viral

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رح نبقى سوا مع عضو المجلس السياسي في التيار الوطني الحر المحامي وديع عقل​

Oct 17, 2021
 

elias-aj

Legendary Member
So, why are you backing him unconditionally if you believe he left out some key people?
Why Diab, not Hariri or Mikati like you said?
What about army personnel?
A good judge shouldn't have any red lines.

The Hariri tribunal was widely politicized. What makes you sure this one won't be?

Those supporting Bitar are doing so because they're happy to see AHK indicted. But that is not enough reason to trust the judge's integrity.
Lebanese people are driven by emotions and political vendetas, not by reason.

Had Bitar accused any M14 figures, I can assure you that the same ones defending him today would be calling him a traitor.

Investigations are under way, how do you, or any other person, know whether he'll question this or that invididual ? And who, among the questioned people will be indicted ? How do you know if he has any red lines ?
 

freelebanonn

Legendary Member
Majority and minority does not make sense as long as a terrorist organization threatens the lives of innocent people and many corrupt parties such as the one you proudly support back it.

The coming elections will be FPM against FPM (i.e ziad aswad vs amal bou zeid, roger azar vs nada boustany, etc.) and that is real fun to watch.

LF are actually fighting the hirak on who gets 2nd place and who gets 3rd place. They are both in the same trench and will take votes from each others. Everyone knows by now that the hirak was only 14 of March rebranded. and everyone knows by now that LF & Hirak wont be able to take votes from FPM but can easily sway votes to their sides from the same camp and here where the actual battle stands.
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
3h

سُئِل الرئيس عون اليوم من قِبَل أحد الزوار ما رأيك بمشهد الأمس فأجاب : "جبران جبّار وثقتي فيه مطلقة وثقتي بالتيار وجمهور التيار يلي ولا يوم خذلني كل ما كنت ناديه ويلبّبيني كمان كبيرة، لهيك أنا متطمن ع مستقبل التيار ومستقبل لبنان يلي رح نوصل فيه لأهدافنا ببناء دولة لو قد ما تأخرت"
walla ya rafi2 the future of lebanon is guaranteed.... to be fked up
you just need to look around
akhra min heyk ma ba2a ysri
I let you judge from what you see

PS. it is not the 1st time Aoun sold us BS dreams... do you remember 1988 - 1990 ???

rafi2 @SeaAb would you agree with this joey_grgs guy?
The level of which FPMers have become disconnected from reality is worrying and disturbing
Don't they have a lamp in their home man? does it work when they activate the switch???

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The_FPMer

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walla ya rafi2 the future of lebanon is guaranteed.... to be fked up
you just need to look around
akhra min heyk ma ba2a ysri
I let you judge from what you see

PS. it is not the 1st time Aoun sold us BS dreams... do you remember 1988 - 1990 ???

rafi2 @SeaAb would you agree with this joey_grgs guy?
The level of which FPMers have become disconnected from reality is worrying and disturbing
Don't they have a lamp in their home man? does it work when they activate the switch???

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Inta mn kel 3a2lak Aoun answered like that? That was blatant propaganda to tell the flock that GB is the chosen one and stick around (vote for us) what we promised you will happen, even though they have no idea how to make it happen. Till now FPM and other parties haven't submitted an economic recovery plan.
 
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