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2019 Coronavirus Disease "COVID-19" [Russia approved first Covid-19 vaccine]

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
For the imbeciles out there dabbling conspiracy theories about Pfizer's announcement: you are so right, it's a deep state conspiracy fueled by Bill Gates, 5G the illuminati, Joe Biden, Socialist takeover, elections stealing, flying cows and most importantly your dead brain cells.

For those interested in the science of vaccines, the milestones of a trial cannot be accurately timed for a very simple reason: it depends on when trial patients get infected. Now to be 100% fair Trump did speed it up quite bit by letting the virus go rampant and unchecked so much so that people involved in trial got infected much quicker than expected. Unfortunately for him, he didn't cause the death of enough people to get his vaccine verdict soon enough to save his election efforts.
Don’t belittle so easily differing opinions
It coule be simply that they found the result of that trial 2 weeks or 1 month prior and decided to delay the announcement for political reasons
There is no doubt that the economy crashing hurt Trump and it is not unreasonable to think that results could have been delayed to invest as much as possible in the situation in the election results
The date of announcement is very fishy, those results weren’t apparent just 6 days prior? It didn’t suddenly appear to be 90%, they could have released a statement before that date saying we’re at 80% effectiveness so far for example
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
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CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
Don’t belittle so easily differing opinions
It coule be simply that they found the result of that trial 2 weeks or 1 month prior and decided to delay the announcement for political reasons
There is no doubt that the economy crashing hurt Trump and it is not unreasonable to think that results could have been delayed to invest as much as possible in the situation in the election results
The date of announcement is very fishy, those results weren’t apparent just 6 days prior? It didn’t suddenly appear to be 90%, they could have released a statement before that date saying we’re at 80% effectiveness so far for example
There are opinions and there are facts. Trials are run according to a rigorous procedure not whims of politicians.
Trump himself learned it the hard way when he tried to steam roll Moderna and failed. I have first hand knowledge of his "requests" which were all denied in spite of all the financial clout he wielded with Operation Warp Speed. He failed to change the outcome by an inch. Why? Because the procedure is very strict and quasi-codified, not that he knew that or even bothered to understand how it works.
That said, by all accounts Pfizer was slated to actually hit its milestone in late Nov early Dec for phase 3 that it started in Jul 27. That was their most optimistic projection. They actually publish their number regularly and you can see if they are gaming them. But to throw allegations in the air when the trial is one of the most closely monitored procedures out there is simply political talk.
 

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
There are opinions and there are facts. Trials are run according to a rigorous procedure not whims of politicians.
Trump himself learned it the hard way when he tried to steam roll Moderna and failed. I have first hand knowledge of his "requests" which were all denied in spite of all the financial clout he wielded with Operation Warp Speed. He failed to change the outcome by an inch. Why? Because the procedure is very strict and quasi-codified, not that he knew that or even bothered to understand how it works.
That said, by all accounts Pfizer was slated to actually hit its milestone in late Nov early Dec for phase 3 that it started in Jul 27. That was their most optimistic projection. They actually publish their number regularly and you can see if they are gaming them. But to throw allegations in the air when the trial is one of the most closely monitored procedures out there is simply political talk.
You think studies and trials are not politicized?
They announced they had 90% effectiveness, which is still a prelim result, so why couldn’t they have release one 6 days prior? Or when they hit the 70-80% mark?
From the beginning they could have been aiming for after the election results
I have no idea what is the truth, but you can’t deny it is not a possibility
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
You think studies and trials are not politicized?
They announced they had 90% effectiveness, which is still a prelim result, so why couldn’t they have release one 6 days prior? Or when they hit the 70-80% mark?
From the beginning they could have been aiming for after the election results
I have no idea what is the truth, but you can’t deny it is not a possibility
1. You have to have statistically significant pools
2. The placebo and actual recipients of virus are anonymized and there are strict procedures to figure out where the positive cases fall. That's why it's not exactly done synchronously
2. Again, their numbers are/will be published with case location and date of positive test as well timeline of analysis and de-anonymization. If you find something, please let me know
 

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
1. You have to have statistically significant pools
2. The placebo and actual recipients of virus are anonymized and there are strict procedures to figure out where the positive cases fall. That's why it's not exactly done synchronously
2. Again, their numbers are/will be published with case location and date of positive test as well timeline of analysis and de-anonymization. If you find something, please let me know
1. Exactly, you know that the n needed can be manipulated statistically
2. They chose on november 9 to do that, instead of november 3, while it was still a preliminary result (would have still been a preliminary one 1 week or 3 weeks before)
3. You can still manipulate it

Anyways, not adopting a certain stance, just saying it's fishy
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Ma fhimit...
Look, with respect, we tend to complain a lot. The plan you copied and shared, short term is practically exactly what the current government is doing, maybe with the exception it cannot afford to pay everybody furlough so only supporting a limited number of families with the lowest income... then, if you look at Europe, and the world, they are all trying to get a zone which is Covid free, unsuccessfully. In fact the most successful countries are where people really take care and follow the rules... even then it is not zero.

net, we should complain less and abide more by the plan...!
 

TayyarBeino

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# Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
Population
-- World 51,797,152 +542,497 1,278,539 +9,191 36,386,096 14,132,517 94,914 6,645 164.0
1 USA 10,559,263 +135,653 245,800 +1,346 6,601,338 3,712,125 19,374 31,833 741 160,595,579 484,150 331,706,290
2 India 8,635,754 +44,679 127,615 +511 8,011,844 496,295 8,944 6,236 92 119,615,857 86,371 1,384,900,866
3 Brazil 5,701,283 +25,517 162,842 +204 5,064,344 474,097 8,318 26,753 764 21,900,000 102,766 213,106,404
4 France 1,829,659 +22,180 42,207 +857 131,920 1,655,532 4,750 28,008 646 18,249,032 279,353 65,326,081
5 Russia 1,817,109 +20,977 31,161 +368 1,350,741 435,207 2,300 12,450 213 65,600,000 449,447 145,957,281
6 Spain 1,443,997 +17,395 39,756 +411 N/A N/A 3,064 30,880 850 19,394,289 414,750 46,761,382
7 Argentina 1,262,476 +11,977 34,183 +276 1,081,897 146,396 4,494 27,841 754 3,289,756 72,549 45,345,559
8 UK 1,233,775 +20,412 49,770 +532 N/A N/A 1,268 18,140 732 36,809,469 541,193 68,015,374
9 Colombia 1,156,675 +7,612 33,148 +174 1,059,237 64,290 2,376 22,645 649 5,500,745 107,692 51,078,433
10 Italy 995,463 +35,098 42,330 +580 363,023 590,110 2,971 16,473 700 17,740,196 293,569 60,429,340
11 Mexico 972,785 +4,960 95,225 +198 721,076 156,484 2,615 7,516 736 2,516,413 19,444 129,421,248
12 Peru 925,431 +1,904 34,992 +49 850,670 39,769 1,008 27,928 1,056 4,700,489 141,851 33,136,823
13 South Africa 740,254 +1,729 19,951 +106 683,194 37,109 546 12,425 335 5,010,350 84,098 59,577,687
14 Germany 705,640 +16,668 11,860 +203 441,200 252,580 3,005 8,412 141 23,393,311 278,886 83,881,346
15 Iran 703,288 +10,339 39,202 +453 530,694 133,392 5,584 8,335 465 5,302,200 62,837 84,379,600
16 Poland 593,592 +25,454 8,375 +330 230,661 354,556 1,898 15,690 221 5,339,362 141,135 37,831,471
17 Chile 523,907 +1,028 14,611 +23 500,142 9,154 720 27,322 762 4,645,202 242,247 19,175,505
18 Iraq 505,310 +3,577 11,432 +52 434,665 59,213 374 12,463 282 3,038,467 74,944 40,543,343
19 Belgium 503,182 +2,393 13,216 +161 29,796 460,170 1,474 43,348 1,139 5,296,712 456,301 11,607,938
20 Ukraine 479,197 +10,179 8,756 +191 214,657 255,784 177 10,981 201 3,648,292 83,605 43,637,305
 
Look, with respect, we tend to complain a lot. The plan you copied and shared, short term is practically exactly what the current government is doing, maybe with the exception it cannot afford to pay everybody furlough so only supporting a limited number of families with the lowest income... then, if you look at Europe, and the world, they are all trying to get a zone which is Covid free, unsuccessfully. In fact the most successful countries are where people really take care and follow the rules... even then it is not zero.

net, we should complain less and abide more by the plan...!

No it's not. It's not doing any of it.

There is no strategy, the ministries have not come out with any plans only a poor lockdown and when we open again with no plan we will lockdown for the 3rd time. Less than 50% of people are abiding by social distancing measures and mask wearing. Also we have not yet upped our testing since August and we should start testing more and introduce rapid antigen testing. When it comes to incoming passengers from abroad we are not testing them bar people coming from Turkey, Iraq, Egypt and African countries. There is also no centralized quarantines for incoming passengers and I know friends who came from abroad into Lebanon and did not self isolate not even did a PCR test to make sure they are negative.

so if Europe is doing poorly we have to follow them and do worse? Why not learn from Asian countries?
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
No it's not. It's not doing any of it.

There is no strategy, the ministries have not come out with any plans only a poor lockdown and when we open again with no plan we will lockdown for the 3rd time. Less than 50% of people are abiding by social distancing measures and mask wearing. Also we have not yet upped our testing since August and we should start testing more and introduce rapid antigen testing. When it comes to incoming passengers from abroad we are not testing them bar people coming from Turkey, Iraq, Egypt and African countries. There is also no centralized quarantines for incoming passengers and I know friends who came from abroad into Lebanon and did not self isolate not even did a PCR test to make sure they are negative.

so if Europe is doing poorly we have to follow them and do worse? Why not learn from Asian countries?
Not true AT ALL.
we are locking down, we are asking people to social distance (and as usual no one cares in lebanon), we are testing all passengers arriving and that since several months: the process is that they land, get swabbed at the airport and are sent to a hotel to wait for the result, I know people who went through that. Very close people so it is not a fairytale, but a fact. By the way they were going back to lebanon from Europe.
I am not saying we have to follow Europe, just saying we have far less resources than Europe and they are not coping, same as the USA btw, so your complaining is not going to help. The best you can do is self isolate per the government’s proposal and maintain social distancing again per the government’s guidelines...
 
Not true AT ALL.
we are locking down, we are asking people to social distance (and as usual no one cares in lebanon), we are testing all passengers arriving and that since several months: the process is that they land, get swabbed at the airport and are sent to a hotel to wait for the result, I know people who went through that. Very close people so it is not a fairytale, but a fact. By the way they were going back to lebanon from Europe.
I am not saying we have to follow Europe, just saying we have far less resources than Europe and they are not coping, same as the USA btw, so your complaining is not going to help. The best you can do is self isolate per the government’s proposal and maintain social distancing again per the government’s guidelines...

Do you live in Lebanon?

No they are not testing all passengers, they stopped testing all passengers since September and my own brother who came from Saudi Arabia was not tested upon arrival he did his pcr a few days later on his own expense. If you live in Lebanon you would know that. You would also know that some restaurants in Metn and Beirut who broke every social distance measures were not fined because they have wasta with political individuals.

People abiding by the rules are only 25% in Beirut, 30% in Metn. This shows a clear lack of planning and municipalities not doing their jobs to implement strict measures and fine individuals who break the rules. Even Hassan admitted that politics is playing a major role in not enforcing a coherent strategy.

You would also know that there is not even a centralized quarantine unit to quarantine positive individuals from their own households. There are also weddings taking place and even the minister allowed some of them.
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Do you live in Lebanon?

No they are not testing all passengers, they stopped testing all passengers since September and my own brother who came from Saudi Arabia was not tested upon arrival he did his pcr a few days later on his own expense. If you live in Lebanon you would know that. You would also know that some restaurants in Metn and Beirut who broke every social distance measures were not fined because they have wasta with political individuals.

People abiding by the rules are only 25% in Beirut, 30% in Metn. This shows a clear lack of planning and municipalities not doing their jobs to implement strict measures and fine individuals who break the rules. Even Hassan admitted that politics is playing a major role in not enforcing a coherent strategy.

You would also know that there is not even a centralized quarantine unit to quarantine positive individuals from their own households. There are also weddings taking place and even the minister allowed some of them.
I was not aware they stopped testing I September... thank you for clarifying.
The rest is the plague of our country, people are rowdy and don’t follow rules, the security apparatuses don’t enforce the law.
But then you are complaining because people don’t follow the rules and don’t get fined, whereas the solution is to follow the bloody rules! Instead of complaining about not getting fined for not following the rules...!
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member

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# Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
Population
-- World 52,422,158 +613,839 1,288,900 +10,185 36,668,563 14,464,695 94,763 6,725 165.4
1 USA 10,708,728 +142,906 247,398 +1,479 6,648,705 3,812,625 18,683 32,283 746 161,917,567 488,128 331,711,584
2 India 8,684,039 +48,285 128,165 +550 8,064,548 491,326 8,944 6,270 93 120,769,151 87,202 1,384,937,906
3 Brazil 5,749,007 +47,724 163,406 +564 5,064,344 521,257 8,318 26,977 767 21,900,000 102,764 213,110,526
4 France 1,865,538 +35,879 42,535 +328 133,696 1,689,307 4,803 28,557 651 18,282,590 279,865 65,326,475
5 Russia 1,836,960 +19,851 31,593 +432 1,369,357 436,010 2,300 12,586 216 66,100,000 452,872 145,957,452
6 Spain 1,463,093 +19,096 40,105 +349 N/A N/A 3,093 31,288 858 19,394,289 414,750 46,761,432
7 Argentina 1,273,356 +10,880 34,531 +348 1,081,897 156,928 4,418 28,080 761 3,346,229 73,792 45,346,691
8 UK 1,256,725 +22,950 50,365 +595 N/A N/A 1,219 18,477 740 37,147,111 546,150 68,016,346
9 Colombia 1,165,326 +8,651 33,312 +164 1,070,423 61,591 2,376 22,814 652 5,549,461 108,643 51,079,913
10 Italy 1,028,424 +32,961 42,953 +623 372,113 613,358 3,081 17,019 711 17,965,836 297,304 60,429,098
11 Mexico 978,531 +5,746 95,842 +617 725,846 156,843 2,615 7,561 741 2,537,046 19,602 129,424,947
12 Peru 928,006 +2,575 35,031 +39 853,208 39,767 991 28,004 1,057 4,721,179 142,470 33,138,078
13 South Africa 742,394 +2,140 20,011 +60 686,458 35,925 546 12,461 336 5,037,782 84,555 59,579,729
14 Germany 726,176 +20,536 12,082 +222 454,800 259,294 3,127 8,657 144 23,393,311 278,883 83,882,076
15 Iran 715,068 +11,780 39,664 +462 536,105 139,299 5,601 8,474 470 5,344,821 63,340 84,382,537
16 Poland 618,813 +25,221 8,805 +430 242,875 367,133 1,975 16,357 233 5,392,636 142,544 37,831,358
17 Chile 524,804 +897 14,633 +22 501,426 8,745 721 27,368 763 4,667,350 243,396 19,175,953
18 Iraq 508,508 +3,198 11,482 +50 436,657 60,369 384 12,542 283 3,055,845 75,368 40,545,816
19 Belgium 507,475 +4,293 13,561 +345 30,504 463,410 1,470 43,717 1,168 5,321,108 458,397 11,608,076
20 Ukraine 489,808 +10,611 8,947 +191 221,459 259,402 177 11,225 205 3,648,292 83,606 43,636,591
 
I was not aware they stopped testing I September... thank you for clarifying.
The rest is the plague of our country, people are rowdy and don’t follow rules, the security apparatuses don’t enforce the law.
But then you are complaining because people don’t follow the rules and don’t get fined, whereas the solution is to follow the bloody rules! Instead of complaining about not getting fined for not following the rules...!

There is no strategy. people don't follow the rules because the rules are not being implemented. You can't just write a bunch of rules on a piece paper then not implementing them by force. How can the casino be opened but private schools be closed? Why are you shutting down restaurants while some barber shops and nail spas remain open? There is no unified approach.


the zerocovid lebanon guys have a fantastic strategy and have tried to contact the government so many times, even on social media (they are a group of doctors and public health experts) but the government is not responding to them.

 
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