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2019 Coronavirus Disease "COVID-19" [Vaccinations Underway Worldwide]

TayyarBeino

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أعلنت وزارة الصحة العامة تسجيل 2323 إصابة جديدة بكورونا و40 حالة وفاة في الساعات الـ24 الماضية.


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TayyarBeino

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نشرت وزارة الصحة العامّة اليوم السبت، جدولاً بيّنت فيه كيف توزّعت الإصابات الجديدة بفيروس كورونا على الأقضية اللبنانية.
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vegojimbo

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I’m sorry but anyone with a high school knowledge of the cellular protein synthesis process knows full well that RNA cannot turn into DNA. DNA to RNA transcription is a one way street! This heresy by some unscrupulous attention seekers is yet another flat earth theory at best.
If a doctor dabbles with it, you may want to seek medical help elsewhere.
This is not true, in a sense. RNA can be converted into DNA. HIV does it by incorporating an enzyme called reverse transcriptase that converts the viral RNA into proviral DNA which with the help of an enzyme called integrase (also brought by the HIV virus) binds to the human DNA in the nucleus.
Undoubtedly, that can no happen in a vaccine like Pfizer's since the vaccine does not contain the necessary enzymes required to convert the RNA sequence into DNA nor integrate it into the human genome.
So yes, there is no fear whatsoever from the mRNA vaccines changing our DNA. The problem may arise from the actual protein synthesized by our cells via the message encoded by the vaccine mRNA. Does this foreign protein synthesized by our human cells with the order given by the vaccine mRNA accumulate in the kidney glomerules or in the cornea of the eye or in the liver? does it damage the heart myoblasts, or the lining of the lung alveola or the eithelial cells of the GI tract, etccc? So far, these actions (or side effects as we call them) are not present or still a bit soon to show themselves. This is the hypothetical danger of such a vaccine. So far the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have shown minimal and mild side effects, remains to be seen if any long term ones will arise. So far, optimism is the outlook.
 
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NewLeb

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Lol, and to think I haven’t change my lifestyle one iota since the plandemic hit. So many sheep being played out there!

 

Manifesto

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TayyarBeino

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أنيس النقاش يدخل العناية المركزة بعد إثبات إصابته بفيروس كورونا

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دخل المحلل والناشط اللبناني أنيس النقاش العناية المشددة في إحدى مستشفيات بيروت بعد اصابته بفيروس كورونا.

 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member

وطنية - اعلنت وزارة الصحة العامة تسجيل 1685 اصابة جديدة رفعت العدد التراكمي للحالات المثبتة الى 355056. كما تم تسجيل 43 حالة وفاة.
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TayyarBeino

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نشرت وزارة الصحة العامّة اليوم الأحد، جدولاً بيّنت فيه كيف توزّعت الإصابات الجديدة بفيروس كورونا على الأقضية اللبناني
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CitizenOfTheRepublic

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This is not true, in a sense. RNA can be converted into DNA. HIV does it by incorporating an enzyme called reverse transcriptase that converts the viral RNA into proviral DNA which with the help of an enzyme called integrase (also brought by the HIV virus) binds to the human DNA in the nucleus.
Undoubtedly, that can no happen in a vaccine like Pfizer's since the vaccine does not contain the necessary enzymes required to convert the RNA sequence into DNA nor integrate it into the human genome.
So yes, there is no fear whatsoever from the mRNA vaccines changing our DNA. The problem may arise from the actual protein synthesized by our cells via the message encoded by the vaccine mRNA. Does this foreign protein synthesized by our human cells with the order given by the vaccine mRNA accumulate in the kidney glomerules or in the cornea of the eye or in the liver? does it damage the heart myoblasts, or the lining of the lung alveola or the eithelial cells of the GI tract, etccc? So far, these actions (or side effects as we call them) are not present or still a bit soon to show themselves. This is the hypothetical danger of such a vaccine. So far the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have shown minimal and mild side effects, remains to be seen if any long term ones will arise. So far, optimism is the outlook.
About the RNA to DNA pathway, it is described in the video I sent. My point was, since humans lack the enzyme then it’s a one way street from DNA to RNA to protein, unless you are infected by an HIV virus that has the enzyme in it. We are in agreement there.

about your second point, almost all vaccines be it the retrofit Adenoviruses of Astra Zeneca, JnJ, Sputnik or the mRNA of Pfizer or Moderna push the human cells to produce the COVID spike protein. So in essence the protein accumulation you allude to is not a problem unique to mRNA vaccines no?
 

Imperator

New Member
المئوية في الأعداد المُسجلة على المنصة في بقية المحافظات تُشير الى أن «التجاوب» مع مطالب التلقيح ليست بالشكل المطلوب، إذ أشار حمد مثلاً إلى أنّ النسبة المئوية المسجلة حتى الآن في محافظة بعلبك هي الأدنى على مستوى المحافظات بعد عكار، حيث سجلت منطقة عكار 1.6 % من مجموع الذين تسجلوا على المنصة، تليها محافظة بعلبك الهرمل بنسبة 2 %، ومحافظة البقاع 5 %، والنبطية 6 %، ومحافظة الجنوب 7.4%، ومحافظة الشمال 10%، وبيروت 16%، ومحافظة جبل لبنان 52%».
So all people from Mount Lebanon and Beirut strange
Economic or social regions or it is many mansions in the house with the Christians top 🔝 villa to the others
 


أنيس النقاش يدخل العناية المركزة بعد إثبات إصابته بفيروس كورونا


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دخل المحلل والناشط اللبناني أنيس النقاش العناية المشددة في إحدى مستشفيات بيروت بعد اصابته بفيروس كورونا.


passed away today

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NewLeb

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Most people would put anything in their mouthes, even though the food item may have over 50 ingredients, with items that they can barely pronounce.

Imagine injecting yourself multiple times with a vaccine with over 100 ingredients, completely clueless as to what’s exactly in it. But some nerd in a lab coat told you it’s good for you, so you take it anyway. 🤡 🤡

 

vegojimbo

Legendary Member
about your second point, almost all vaccines be it the retrofit Adenoviruses of Astra Zeneca, JnJ, Sputnik or the mRNA of Pfizer or Moderna push the human cells to produce the COVID spike protein. So in essence the protein accumulation you allude to is not a problem unique to mRNA vaccines no?
Yes in essence, the human immune response is pushed to identify the foreign invader through an antigen which in SARS Cov 2 is the spike protein. the old technique vaccines (Sputnik V, Sinopharm, Astrazaneca, johnson and Johnson) do that via a harmless viral vector while the new technique vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) do it via mRNA without requiring any vector.
 
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CitizenOfTheRepublic

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Yes in essence, the human immune response is pushed to identify the foreign invader through an antigen which in SARS Cov 2 is the spike protein. the old technique vaccines (Sputnik V, Sinopharm, Astrazenca, johnson and Johnson) do that via a harmless viral vector while the new technique vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) do it via mRNA without requiring any vector.
In theory, wouldn't the protein be "neutralized" by the produced antibodies and slated for waste (through the liver for e.g.)? How does the body typically get rid of these "invaders"? I know there is no way to know yet for this particular protein, my question is more about the general case.
 

vegojimbo

Legendary Member
In theory, wouldn't the protein be "neutralized" by the produced antibodies and slated for waste (through the liver for e.g.)? How does the body typically get rid of these "invaders"? I know there is no way to know yet for this particular protein, my question is more about the general case.
yes in general that's how this works. However, we don't know much about this spike protein. Also, the antibody-antigen complex can accumulate in the glomerules damaging them and causing kidney damage. That's how some autoimmune diseases damage the kidneys. what if some of these proteins get into the circulation and deposit in the cornea or any other place where the immune system doesn't reach? what if some of the mRNA enter the heart cells and fabricate the spike protein there, thus the antibodies attack the myoblasts of the heart? I know these are rare circumstances, even unlikely, but this is why some wait for long term side effects, especially with this new vaccine technique.

Note that I already took the Pfizer vaccine, just mentioning potential issues with these new vaccines. Most likely, nothing will happen outside of the expected mild side effects, but better to be vigilant.
 

NewLeb

Member
And to think there are some bozos out there who listen to this quack’s advice seriously. Doctors can sometimes be the dumbest humans. It’s a shame Lebanese society holds them up to be such divine saviors...

 

TayyarBeino

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أعلنت وزارة الصحة العامّة في تقريرها اليومي حول مستجدات فيروس كورونا اليوم الإثنين عن "تسجيل 1541 إصابة جديدة بكورونا ( 1532 محلية و9وافدة) ليصبح العدد الإجمالي للإصابات 356597".

ولفتت الوزارة في تقريرها، إلى تسجيل "47 حالة وفاة جديدة، وبذلك يصبح العدد الإجمالي للوفيات 4387".
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