2019 Coronavirus Disease "COVID-19" [Vaccinations Underway Worldwide]

Manifesto

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I’ll save you the trouble, he did early on experiment with mRNA injections in cells. Him and several others, so he is part of a very wide web of people who researched it. He’s disgruntled he didn’t receive the recognition he thinks he deserves and declared himself the “inventor”. No one can claim this, it’s a ridiculous statement in its self. And now in typical anti vaxxer fashion he is craving attention.
Moving past that, you will find crazy theories he put forward that discredit any valid research he dabbled with since his early days.

'Disgruntled'...
Is that what you call every scientist who doesn't endorse your tyrannical medical agenda?
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
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Waiting impatiently to2brineh

1. Robert Malone is not the inventor of mRNA, he made early contributions when he was a researcher and quit before getting his PHD, he is given credit as an early researcher in the field but not as the inventor as he so desperately wants to be seen as. Claims it on every single occasion he gets, thinks there's a global conspiracy against him taking credit for the "invention" when he only has two minor articles in the late 80s on the subject and his wife has a full on 4000 page meltdown about him being the inventor with caps and all the shebang. Soo all in all crazy claim by an even crazier scientist.

For reference and further reading:




2. In regards to his claim - and yours of course, because someone with a 130 IQ deserves the full credit of being a "genius" who takes everything he reads as bible without examining its veracity.- that the covid 19 vaccines cause ADE and subsequent mutations in the virus, here's a couple of resources stating exactly the opposite, from people who are far more knowledgeable on the subject than either one of us

Conspiracy theories about antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) with COVID-19 vaccines are swirling yet again, apparently due to a letter to the editor and a controversial talk by a physician at a school board meeting.

That's despite the fact that there's absolutely no evidence of the condition occurring as hundreds of millions of people around the world have been vaccinated.

"If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease," Nada Fadul, MD, an infectious diseases physician with Nebraska Medicine, said in a statement. "This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren't fully vaccinated


ADE Is Still Not a Problem With COVID Vaccines

Scientists did express concern over the potential of ADE during the development of COVID-19 vaccine candidates[1]. However, previous knowledge helped researchers to minimize this risk from the early stages of COVID-19 vaccine development[2]. This influenced critical decisions during vaccine design, such as the choice to target the spike protein instead of other viral proteins that had caused ADE in vaccine candidates against past coronaviruses[3]. Researchers also conducted specific animal studies to detect ADE and closely monitored clinical trial participants for any sign of this phenomenon during the testing of COVID-19 vaccine candidates[4].

The result of this awareness is that the COVID-19 vaccines developed so far showed no signs of ADE in animal studies, clinical trials, or during vaccine rollout. Real-world studies further demonstrate that all FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing severe disease and death[5,6]. Furthermore, infections in fully vaccinated individuals are rare and tend to produce milder symptoms than in those who didn’t receive the vaccine[6,7]. This is exactly the opposite of what one would expect if ADE was occurring.


COVID-19 vaccines effectively prevent severe disease; haven’t shown signs of antibody-dependent enhancement as claimed by Robert Malone




3. Here is an article detailing some scientists' feedback over his bullshit article in the washington post feel free to peruse it, although i highly doubt you will read this post in its entirety much less actually read the response of knowledgeable people on the matter of a crackpot with a flashy theory that agrees with your worldview. Still provided for clarity though:

Washington Times article by Robert Malone and Peter Navarro relies on inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims about virus evolution, vaccine immunity, and COVID-19 vaccine safety

Here's a randomly picked highlight:

The article does not mention any source to support the claims. The only reference at the end is the fact that one author was the “discoverer of the mRNA vaccine” (which is an exaggerated claim) and that the other served in the White House as the Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator during the Trump administration. Neither of these statements offer support for the scientific claims they make in the article. To clarify the main claims and put the things at the right place:

About assumption 1 in the article: There is a confusion about the relationship between vaccination and mutations. The massive vaccination of the population doesn’t promote mutations and lead to “exposure to more and more risk”. On the contrary, the rapid vaccination of as many people as possible is crucial to stop the variants. The virus mutates not because of vaccination but because it is a virus, and every virus in the world can mutate.

Some of the mutations make the virus stronger and sometimes more transmissible. Some vaccines may become useless against certain variants but for now—even if it is demonstrated that there is a reduction in neutralizing activity against the variants—vaccines are still effective. But if not enough people are vaccinated, the variants will continue to emerge. The massive immunisation—through vaccination—will stop the variant race, not elicit it!

About assumption 2 in the article: All vaccines come with side effects. There is always the risk-benefit balance to take into account. In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the eventual side effects observed remain very rare and don’t reach an abnormal rate that justifies halting their use. Adverse events such as the disruption of women’s menstrual cycle have been rarely observed, and up until now, not shown to be causally linked to vaccination. However, when these observations are made, scientists are encouraged to investigate more in detail to rule out all possible links.

It is true that certain kinds of vaccines can lead to unexpected reactions depending on the medical history of the individual. That’s why this history or current health condition of the subject, such as pregnancy, is always taken into account when deciding which vaccine to give. Allergic reactions are recognized as a possible side effect, but people are closely monitored for this reaction after vaccination.

About assumption 3 in the article: Vaccination of the most vulnerable only sounds like a nonsense strategy. Some of them cannot receive the full benefits of vaccination due to their medical history and will rely on indirect protection through the vaccination of others around them. That’s the principle of herd immunity.





And finally mr 130 IQ, this is not the first false claim this scientist has made about the vaccine, in fact he has a published study that was widely discredited and he had to pull it Lol! and despite your assertion that the people who are discrediting him are politically motivated to do so, (noting of course that the majority of scientists who responded to his claim are of the international - as opposed to the american - variety) he is actually the one who is motivated by his own crazy aspirations and crackpot ideas as well as his political background for this bullshit crusade against the vaccines.




We are done here, feel free to pull a manifesto and declare yourself the winner of this debate despite all observable evidence.
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

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@Jo i am just wondering out loud here, but isn’t dangerous advice against forum rules? Something like advocating fasting to fight an infection? Or solely relying on a vitamin D treatment for COVID when this has been clearly discredited? Or going maskless? And purposely seeking infection? Ivermectin is yet to have a conclusive serious study so that makes it simply unproven. But the rest of the advice will get people seriously hurt.
 

Manifesto

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No, it’s ones who claim to have invented something just because of one small thing they did in the midst of a gargantuan multi year multi team and multi technology endeavor.

Whether he invented, pioneered, or contributed to mRNa vaccines, it doesn't matter. It's all semantics... As far as I know, he's still one of the most respected immunologists out there.

He's a Harvard grad with an MD in immunolgy and years of experience developing vaccines.
His opinion counts more than yours or @Isabella's when it comes to virology.
 

Manifesto

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@Jo i am just wondering out loud here, but isn’t dangerous advice against forum rules? Something like advocating fasting to fight an infection? Or solely relying on a vitamin D treatment for COVID when this has been clearly discredited? Or going maskless? And purposely seeking infection? Ivermectin is yet to have a conclusive serious study so that makes it simply unproven. But the rest of the advice will get people seriously hurt.

Vaccines cause trombosis and death in some cases. Do vaccine mandates not count as dangerous? What is the point you're trying to make Mr. dictator?
 

Mrsrx

Not an expert!
Staff member
@Jo i am just wondering out loud here, but isn’t dangerous advice against forum rules? Something like advocating fasting to fight an infection? Or solely relying on a vitamin D treatment for COVID when this has been clearly discredited? Or going maskless? And purposely seeking infection? Ivermectin is yet to have a conclusive serious study so that makes it simply unproven. But the rest of the advice will get people seriously hurt.
if you are dumb enough to take your advice on what to do regarding vaccines from here you are dumb enough to take it from twitter (or facebook) idiots ... thats my opinion will let @Jo decide.
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

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Whether he invented, pioneered, or contributed to mRNa vaccines, it doesn't matter. It's all semantics... As far as I know, he's still one of the most respected immunologists out there.

He's a Harvard grad with an MD in immunolgy and years of experience developing vaccines.
His opinion counts more than yours or @Isabella's when it comes to virology.
You shall address me as inventor of MS windows, creator of social media and pioneer of high speed cell networks from here on.
Now where are you in that reading we talked about?
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
if you are dumb enough to take your advice on what to do regarding vaccines from here you are dumb enough to take it from twitter (or facebook) idiots ... thats my opinion will let @Jo decide.
Fair, it’s just too much stupid on one thread so it’s be good to at least remove the dangerous ones
 

Mrsrx

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Fair, it’s just too much stupid on one thread so it’s be good to at least remove the dangerous ones
If you are on page 800+ you already are looking for posts that stroke your confirmation bias ...babyproofing the thread makes some sense but the dumb posts are kind of funny by now and unless you have been living on mars for the last 2 years you are not undecided
 

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