Amal supporters attack Aljadeed Building

flag-waver

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No I do not have any of these. I am neither Amal nor Hezbollah. They have these positions. This is why people that are qualified to work for government leave the country. They know that the cake is divided between a group of thieves and heads of militias and their entourage.

Only the application of article 95 of the Lebanese Constitution would open the door for the formation of government where qualified people ate hired to serve public and govern the people.

They are the one's who are corrupt. :) THEY have been dividing the cake since the 90's with the help of the Syrians. The way you talk it is as if Berri and his clowns were not associated with all the corruption in the state. aya qualified. We are not willing to go into the abyss. The system will hold and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

You are talking and not knowing what you are talking about. they have many Grade 1 jobs and it is more than enough for them.
 

Sayyid Jewry

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They are the one's who are corrupt. :) THEY have been dividing the cake since the 90's with the help of the Syrians. The way you talk it is as if Berri and his clowns were not associated with all the corruption in the state. aya qualified. We are not willing to go into the abyss. The system will hold and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

You are talking and not knowing what you are talking about. they have many Grade 1 jobs and it is more than enough for them.

The shi3a are ma7roumin, we need to get their rights that the Christians stole back!!!!!
 

Mighty Goat

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They are the one's who are corrupt. :) THEY have been dividing the cake since the 90's with the help of the Syrians. The way you talk it is as if Berri and his clowns were not associated with all the corruption in the state. aya qualified. We are not willing to go into the abyss. The system will hold and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

You are talking and not knowing what you are talking about. they have many Grade 1 jobs and it is more than enough for them.

They (Amal and Hezbollah) are certainly associated with the corruption of the sectarian system with all its constituent elements. This is what I have been saying all along.

The Syrians intervention in Lebanon is an issue that requires thinking about geographically. You see, it is Lebanon's only access to Asia. Lebanon is at war with Israel. So, Syria is not a choice. It is dictated on Lebanon geographically.

Now, no one can become government in Lebanon unless they are dictated by Syria. Because Syria knows our geographic weakness.

These Syrians, the Baath make territorial and political claims over Lebanon under Arab nationalism. It is clear that the Syrian state with its current government is not part of the Arab League since the Syrian civil war started and we found out that the Arabs are with ISIS. I believe this is the first achievement of the Syrian war.

The fact is that all governments that governed Lebanon were allies of Syria. This includes Rafiq Hariri.

The fact is that Syria is here to stay, but Syrian claims over Lebanon are a bit problematic. Since, it makes it claim over Lebanon under the pretext of securing Lebanon from Israel on the one hand. On the other hand it fails to deal with the issue of the Golan. This also applies to Iran. Iran controls by the discourse of supporting Lebanon to secure its territories from Israel.

Consequently, any discussion about Israel outside the Syrian and Iranian dictated discourse is prohibited.

Do you think Aoun would have been able to make it to the Presidency, hasn't he yielded to Syria?




So,
 

flag-waver

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They (Amal and Hezbollah) are certainly associated with the corruption of the sectarian system with all its constituent elements. This is what I have been saying all along.

The Syrians intervention in Lebanon is an issue that requires thinking about geographically. You see, it is Lebanon's only access to Asia. Lebanon is at war with Israel. So, Syria is not a choice. It is dictated on Lebanon geographically.

Now, no one can become government in Lebanon unless they are dictated by Syria. Because Syria knows our geographic weakness.

These Syrians, the Baath make territorial and political claims over Lebanon under Arab nationalism. It is clear that the Syrian state with its current government is not part of the Arab League since the Syrian civil war started and we found out that the Arabs are with ISIS. I believe this is the first achievement of the Syrian war.

The fact is that all governments that governed Lebanon were allies of Syria. This includes Rafiq Hariri.

The fact is that Syria is here to stay, but Syrian claims over Lebanon are a bit problematic. Since, it makes it claim over Lebanon under the pretext of securing Lebanon from Israel on the one hand. On the other hand it fails to deal with the issue of the Golan. This also applies to Iran. Iran controls by the discourse of supporting Lebanon to secure its territories from Israel.

Consequently, any discussion about Israel outside the Syrian and Iranian dictated discourse is prohibited.

Do you think Aoun would have been able to make it to the Presidency, haven't he yielded to Syria?




So,

This is due to some parties in Lebanon who are slaves to Syria. All I was trying to point out is that the shia duo are also associated with corruption. It is not due to a change in the system people start to not be corrupt. It is not the system or regime but within the people themselves. That is my view. Syria can stay just don't bud their noses in our affairs. They have enough problems to worry about in their own country.
 

Mighty Goat

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This is due to some parties in Lebanon who are slaves to Syria. All I was trying to point out is that the shia duo are also associated with corruption. It is not due to a change in the system people start to not be corrupt. It is not the system or regime but within the people themselves. That is my view. Syria can stay just don't bud their noses in our affairs. They have enough problems to worry about in their own country.

No one claimed otherwise. I believe the disagreement we had was certainly about the legitimacy of the sectarian system, since it is the system that constructs these groups. Syria, finds them handy.

I disagree that Syria has its own problems and it is out of Lebanon's business. Its main ally in the war Hezbollah is also the main ally of FPM. This is part and parcel of the Syrian military alliance. This alliance also includes Iran. Lebanon is a party to the war in Syria.
 

flag-waver

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No one claimed otherwise. I believe the disagreement we had was certainly about the legitimacy of the sectarian system, since it is the system that constructs these groups. Syria, finds them handy.

I disagree that Syria has its own problems and it is out of Lebanon's business. Its main ally in the war Hezbollah is also the main ally of FPM. This is part and parcel of the Syrian military alliance. This alliance also includes Iran. Lebanon is a party to the war in Syria.

The system doesn't tell you to side with a foreign power so you feel powerful inside the country.
 

JeanH

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In principle, and going to the content of the news which I did not see, but read the description of. The program makes an accusation of conspiracy between Berri and Ghadafi in the issue of the disappearance of Imam Sader.

This is a serious accusation, not warranted with evidence. This is a lie. The freedom of press does not include the freedom to lie in the press.

There is a message being told in the sketch. The question is can a TV station accuses the Speaker of the House of conspiring with Ghadafi on the issue of the disappearance of Imam Sader and consider this freedom.



What would you think if Al Jadeed aired a sketch of General Michel Aoun sitting with Ehud Olmert conspiring to start the 2006 war against Lebanon to get rid of Hezbollah. This would be the end of Lebanon I think.

Defending Al Jadeed without analyzing the facts is dangerous as it would come to haunt you.

Agreeing that a TV station may without warrant disseminate false information and accusations about the members of government to forward a political agenda would come back at you to haunt you.

Falsely depicting the Speaker of the House of conspiring with enemies with the aim of instigating public unrest is a crime of terrorism.

The terrorist is the TV station that aired lies about Nabih Berri, knowing that it would instigate violence and then call these lies "freedom of press."

AL Jadeed should provide us with the documents and facts upon which they based their program. If they cannot then they are at fault of disseminating false information with the aim of instigating public unrest, which is not protected under freedom of the press.





The press is not free to lie.

The press is in a position of responsibility, because of its ability to reach the public at large.

When you agree that Al Jadeed makes a Skitch with Oun an Olmert orchestrating the 2006 war, then I will understand your agreement with al Jadeed program.

All you are doing is aiming at demising Amal's popularity to ensure Hezbollah hegemony and take over the country.

Al Jadeed would be the first to haunt you. It is the child of Qatar where the Muslim Brotherhood gets funded.
in no way and form should this lead to vioelent attack on a tv station whatever the magnitude of th elie is
 

HannaTheCrusader

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معركة «الجديد»: قلوب مليانة بين عون وبري
خاص جنوبية 15 فبراير، 2017

ما شاهده اللبنانيون وسمعوه في اليومين الماضيين بين مناصري أمل ومحطة الجديد، فتح المشهد على ما هو خفي من صراع القوة والنفوذ داخل الدولة، يقول أحد خصوم الرئيس بري لقد ولّى الزمن الذي كان فيه الرئيس بري يذبح بظفره، الزمن الذي كان فيه زعله يهزّ البلد، ويضيف نحن في عهد ميشال عون في عهد دولة القانون.
لا يبدو أنّ اعوان الرئيس نبيه بري في حركة أمل كانوا موفقين بإدخال الرئيس بري في م
عمعة هو أكبر من أن يتلوث بها، فما جرى ضد محطة “الجديد” في اليومين الماضيين، كان مؤشراً على أنّ قوة الرئيس بري ونفوذه يتراجع، إذ بدا شبه وحيد في مشهد تفادى الكثير من حلفائه وأصدقائه، إصدار أيّ موقف مساند لما قام به مناصرو أمل ضد “الجديد” الجميع لاذ بالصمت ووقفوا يشاهدون نتيجة المواجهة غير المباشرة بين الرئيس ميشال عون والرئيس بري، حزب الله المنتشي بمواقف الرئيس حيال سلاحه، لن يقبل بمسّ عهده في بدايته، وحليفه النائب وليد جنبلاط يكفيه الحصار السياسي والإنتخابي الذي يعانيه ولا يريد أن يتلقى المزيد من الخسائر، فيما قرار تدفيعه ثمن مواقفه المشرفة مع الثورة السورية يجري ترتيبه وإعداده من قبل حزب الله والرئيس عون. حادثة الجديد شكلت اختباراً جديداً لموقع الرئيس بري وهيبته، التي بدأت عملية تحجيمها مع انتخاب العماد ميشال عون، والذي كان الرئيس بري آخر من يعلم بصفقة الإنتخاب، وكانت المرة الأولى التي يخفي فيها حزب الله عن حليفه ما تمّ الإتفاق عليه خارج الحدود بتسمية عون رئيساً.

معركة “الجديد” هذا ما يصفه أحد المخضرمين في السياسة، المعركة تتجاوز المحطة وما قيل ويقال في العلن، إلى معركة تحديد الاحجام، زعل الرئيس بري كان مكلفا في السابق، أمّا اليوم فيراد له أن يكون كزعل الأخرين من السياسيين لا يهز البلد ولا يوقف عجلة الدستور والقانون، ثمّة رئيس جديد للبلاد يحظى بشبه إجماع مسيحي والأهم ببركة حزب الله، وهذا الرئيس اسمه ميشال عون. وهذا ما كشفته وقائع ليل لأمس الثلاثاء حين تقاطر مناصرون من حركة أمل إلى لأمام مبنى الجديد وسط حضور أمني خجول فما الذي حصل؟





لم يكن أيّ من مسؤولي الأجهزة الأمنية ولاسيما العسكرية مساء أمس الثلاثاء، يستجيب لمناشدة محطة الجديد، المطالبة بلجم المحتجين أمام مبناها في وطى المصيطبة، تدفق مناصرو أمل وتخوف العاملون في المحطة من عملية اقتحام يقدم عليها مناصرو حركة أمل الذين تجمعوا أمام المبنى وكالوا الشتائم للمحطة ورئيس مجلس ادارتها تحسين خياط بسبب ما اعتبروه إهانة للإمام الصدر والرئيس نبيه بري صدرت عن أحد برامج المحطة، ورافق الاحتجاج والشتائم عملية رشق الحجارة التي أدّت إلى تكسير زجاج الطوابق السفلى من المبنى.
لحظة هبوط طائرة رئيس الجمهورية العماد ميشال عون أرض المطار قادماً من زيارة رسمية قادته إلى القاهرة وعمان، صدرت أوامر من رئيس الجمهورية بتشتيت الجموع من أمام الجديد ووقف التعديات خلال ثلاثين دقيقة، أكثر من ثلاث ساعات فصلت بين بدء الاعتصام وتدخل الجيش، والسبب أنّ احداً لم يجرؤ على إصدار الأمر باستثناء رئيس الجمهورية. لحظة قدوم قوة من الجيش اللبناني كان بعض ضباط شرطة مجلس النواب، يعملون على فضّ الجموع، تفادياً لحصول أيّ مواجهة مع الجيش.



da3essss

the funny is how tey described jumblat as an honorable man loooooooooool

bottom line, da3ess
 

Mighty Goat

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in no way and form should this lead to vioelent attack on a tv station whatever the magnitude of th elie is

It seems it did lead to the attack and we just watched the attack on TV. I do not know what to tell you abut it. You see we are discussing a fact that happened already.
 

JeanH

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It seems it did lead to the attack and we just watched the attack on TV. I do not know what to tell you abut it. You see we are discussing a fact that happened already.
what we should be discussing is your constante consumption of magic mushrooms
 

Mighty Goat

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what we should be discussing is your constante consumption of magic mushrooms

I do not take magic mushrooms regardless to the fact that they were offered for free. I do not like to trip. Rest assured that I speak without any magic mushrooms effect.

Your constant false attacks on one's character and mental health is something you need to consider. This is because people do not take someone that continuously calls others mental and high as being a sane person .

It indicates something that is seriously wrong about your perception of your self image and your acceptance of yourself, which you project on others. This does not mean that others are like what you describe them to be. It means you are revealing how you think about yourself. You speak with how you are constituted. You do not constitute others by what you say.
 

light-in-dark

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معركة «الجديد»: قلوب مليانة بين عون وبري
خاص جنوبية 15 فبراير، 2017

ما شاهده اللبنانيون وسمعوه في اليومين الماضيين بين مناصري أمل ومحطة الجديد، فتح المشهد على ما هو خفي من صراع القوة والنفوذ داخل الدولة، يقول أحد خصوم الرئيس بري لقد ولّى الزمن الذي كان فيه الرئيس بري يذبح بظفره، الزمن الذي كان فيه زعله يهزّ البلد، ويضيف نحن في عهد ميشال عون في عهد دولة القانون.
لا يبدو أنّ اعوان الرئيس نبيه بري في حركة أمل كانوا موفقين بإدخال الرئيس بري في م
عمعة هو أكبر من أن يتلوث بها، فما جرى ضد محطة “الجديد” في اليومين الماضيين، كان مؤشراً على أنّ قوة الرئيس بري ونفوذه يتراجع، إذ بدا شبه وحيد في مشهد تفادى الكثير من حلفائه وأصدقائه، إصدار أيّ موقف مساند لما قام به مناصرو أمل ضد “الجديد” الجميع لاذ بالصمت ووقفوا يشاهدون نتيجة المواجهة غير المباشرة بين الرئيس ميشال عون والرئيس بري، حزب الله المنتشي بمواقف الرئيس حيال سلاحه، لن يقبل بمسّ عهده في بدايته، وحليفه النائب وليد جنبلاط يكفيه الحصار السياسي والإنتخابي الذي يعانيه ولا يريد أن يتلقى المزيد من الخسائر، فيما قرار تدفيعه ثمن مواقفه المشرفة مع الثورة السورية يجري ترتيبه وإعداده من قبل حزب الله والرئيس عون. حادثة الجديد شكلت اختباراً جديداً لموقع الرئيس بري وهيبته، التي بدأت عملية تحجيمها مع انتخاب العماد ميشال عون، والذي كان الرئيس بري آخر من يعلم بصفقة الإنتخاب، وكانت المرة الأولى التي يخفي فيها حزب الله عن حليفه ما تمّ الإتفاق عليه خارج الحدود بتسمية عون رئيساً.

معركة “الجديد” هذا ما يصفه أحد المخضرمين في السياسة، المعركة تتجاوز المحطة وما قيل ويقال في العلن، إلى معركة تحديد الاحجام، زعل الرئيس بري كان مكلفا في السابق، أمّا اليوم فيراد له أن يكون كزعل الأخرين من السياسيين لا يهز البلد ولا يوقف عجلة الدستور والقانون، ثمّة رئيس جديد للبلاد يحظى بشبه إجماع مسيحي والأهم ببركة حزب الله، وهذا الرئيس اسمه ميشال عون. وهذا ما كشفته وقائع ليل لأمس الثلاثاء حين تقاطر مناصرون من حركة أمل إلى لأمام مبنى الجديد وسط حضور أمني خجول فما الذي حصل؟





لم يكن أيّ من مسؤولي الأجهزة الأمنية ولاسيما العسكرية مساء أمس الثلاثاء، يستجيب لمناشدة محطة الجديد، المطالبة بلجم المحتجين أمام مبناها في وطى المصيطبة، تدفق مناصرو أمل وتخوف العاملون في المحطة من عملية اقتحام يقدم عليها مناصرو حركة أمل الذين تجمعوا أمام المبنى وكالوا الشتائم للمحطة ورئيس مجلس ادارتها تحسين خياط بسبب ما اعتبروه إهانة للإمام الصدر والرئيس نبيه بري صدرت عن أحد برامج المحطة، ورافق الاحتجاج والشتائم عملية رشق الحجارة التي أدّت إلى تكسير زجاج الطوابق السفلى من المبنى.
لحظة هبوط طائرة رئيس الجمهورية العماد ميشال عون أرض المطار قادماً من زيارة رسمية قادته إلى القاهرة وعمان، صدرت أوامر من رئيس الجمهورية بتشتيت الجموع من أمام الجديد ووقف التعديات خلال ثلاثين دقيقة، أكثر من ثلاث ساعات فصلت بين بدء الاعتصام وتدخل الجيش، والسبب أنّ احداً لم يجرؤ على إصدار الأمر باستثناء رئيس الجمهورية. لحظة قدوم قوة من الجيش اللبناني كان بعض ضباط شرطة مجلس النواب، يعملون على فضّ الجموع، تفادياً لحصول أيّ مواجهة مع الجيش.



da3essss

the funny is how tey described jumblat as an honorable man loooooooooool

bottom line, da3ess

Here it is not in reality between Nabih Berri and Michel Aoun (STOP RUMORS). The real real thing is between zou3rane el chari3 wa sahafeh horra. I saw the doumacracy episod there is nothing against El "imam el sadr even berry, but The halka could be considered like istifzaz which is legitime in every country in the world.
Here it is not the law only has to take all the procedures, but it is also a somewhat like by law the revenge of Hariri and 14 of March from berri about what happened in 7 of may 2008.

Do you remember Sahar el Khatib on Future TV what said on TV Zo3rane Amal Hajamo Mabna el Future and destroyed everyting.
This time the saem zo3rane attacked New TV.
So now Hariri is happy whith what happened is like he took revenvege from his enemmies who are fighting each others.
 

Frisbeetarian

Legendary Member
The shi3a are ma7roumin, we need to get their rights that the Christians stole back!!!!!

Shiites still represent one of the most marginalized and deprived segments of the population. Don't conflate the prosperity and the power yielded by a corrupt leadership with the broad shiaa population.
 

lebanese1

Legendary Member
Shiites still represent one of the most marginalized and deprived segments of the population. Don't conflate the prosperity and the power yielded by a corrupt leadership with the broad shiaa population.

so why does the marginalized and deprived broad shiaa population keep blindly electing their powerful and prosperous corrupt leadership?
 

Mighty Goat

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so why does the marginalized and deprived broad shiaa population keep blindly electing their powerful and prosperous corrupt leadership?

Isn't this what we have been saying all along in opposition to FPM and HA alliance. See, powerful and corrupt leadership has been elected by the blinded Shi'a again.
 

JeanH

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Orange Room Supporter
Shiites still represent one of the most marginalized and deprived segments of the population. Don't conflate the prosperity and the power yielded by a corrupt leadership with the broad shiaa population.
The broad shia population has been voting for their corrupt leasership with incredible consistency, its their fault if they are marginalized
 

Mighty Goat

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The broad shia population has been voting for their corrupt leasership with incredible consistency, its their fault if they are marginalized

Try to live on Earth. It is Christian leadership like Michel Aoun and FPM that bring these people into power.
 

lebanese1

Legendary Member
نقابة مزارعي التبغ تستنكر الاساءة لقضية الصدر والتطاول على بري
الأحد 19 شباط 2017 آخر تحديث 17:27
استنكرت نقابة مزارعي التبغ والتنباك في الجنوب في بيان أصدرته عقب اجتماع طارئ عقدته لجميع اعضائها "الاساءة لقضية الامام المغيب السيد موسى الصدر ولرئيس مجلس النوابنبيه بري".

وادان المجتمعون ما تعرض له نبيه بري من تطاول على احدى المحطات التلفزيونية بهذا الحجم من التهكم الساخر والاسفاف الذي لا يمثل الا مطلقيه"، مناشدين المجلس الوطني للاعلام التحرك "السريع والضرب بيد من حديد لكل من تسول له نفسه النيل من القامات الوطنية التي كان لها دور كبير في تحرير الارض والانسان في لبنان".

وأسف المجتمعون لهبوط مستوى بعض الاعلاميين لهذا المستوى الذي لم يشهده الاعلام اللبناني، مضيفين: "نحن نكبر الاعلام الجنوبي والوطني الذي مثل علامة وطنية فارقة اثناء سنوات مواج اسرائيل".

وأضاف المجتمعون: "اننا من موقعنا النقابي لم نجد من يقف الى جانب مزارعي التبغ بشكل عام ومزارعي الجنوب الا بري حامل أمانة الامام الصدر وهو الذي وصف شتلة التبغ بشتلة الصمود في الارض اثناء الاحتلال الاسرائيلي وهو الذي شحذ همم مزارعي التبغ للتشبت بالارض اثناء الاحتلال الاسرائيلي والمثابرة في هذه الزراعة التي كانت وجها من وجوه المقاومة ضد اسرائيل"
 
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