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Elections Amendment To The Election Law

Aoune32!

Active Member
#1
What amendments would you like to see in the election law? We don't want to change everything just some tweaks to make it even fairer and more representative of all the people running?

1) I would like to see the preferential on district not on the caza.
2) I would like to see Jezzine-Zahrani not Jezzine-Saida. Saida can be with Sour.
3) I would also love to see Metn with Baabda.
 
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  • Aoune32!

    Active Member
    #5
    Some amendments should be preferential but on the actual district not caza. This will allow the christians in Tripoli to make it as Minnieh-Dinnieh 3andoun chi 15K christian votes but useless as they cannot vote for the preferential candidate in Tripoli.
    South III district needs to be cut up it is too big for a district. I think we should place baabda with metn. The district becomes like 75% christian and we have 3 districts in each mohafaza.
     

    cedarheart

    Well-Known Member
    #6
    If the assumption is that the country is keeping the current law, the ares i would suggest amendments should consider:

    1-Establishing an office of an Elections General Director and Board. An independent body made on non partisan non political persons (judges, university professors, etc) that will oversee and manage the elections, reducing the powers of the minister of interior with regards to the elections
    2-Ministers wishing to be candidates for parliament elections should resign from their post 6 month prior to the elections.
    3-Reduced electoral spending. All spending should be approved by the Elections board of directors and paid by it (party/candidate pays the board, the board pays the supplier)
    4-All media (radio, tv, newspaper, websites, etc) should give equal time, space, opportunity to all
    5-Rethink seat distributions, it's not fair that in South 3 a slate needs to work to get about 18000 votes (7assel) while in Beirut 1 it'll only need about 6000
    6-2 days voting: Saturday for those who wish to vote in their area of residence (mega centers), Sunday voting in the usual places (to reduce traffic risks)
    7-Cameras to record all vote counting in all offices (qalam) with content delivered live to all candidates, parties, and media channels

    And more radical thoughts:

    R1 - Parties have to form their own slates (lists) and are not allowed to form electoral alliances
    R2 - Classifying parties/candidate groups into categories: Major National (those with more than 110/128 candidates across all districts), Major Local (those with 100% candidates in 2 to 3 districts), Minor National (those with few candidates in many districts), Minor Local (those with few candidates in 1 or 2 districts) these categories will be governed by different rules of spending and give a small multiplier to the preferential votes to favour Major National parties first, Minor National second over local ones (this would favor parties with national non sectarian agendas over small local generally sectarian parties)
     
    #7
    Some amendments should be preferential but on the actual district not caza. This will allow the christians in Tripoli to make it as Minnieh-Dinnieh 3andoun chi 15K christian votes but useless as they cannot vote for the preferential candidate in Tripoli.
    South III district needs to be cut up it is too big for a district. I think we should place baabda with metn. The district becomes like 75% christian and we have 3 districts in each mohafaza.
    Baabda should be with aley if any
    We need to avoid spill overs
    The chi3a and Druze communities are growing faster that’s why the current districts should be kept as is if nor reduced in size
    Christians by getting 55 mp are back again
    The law should be kept as is
    Horizontal ranking is worse than the current system
    Maybe introduce a threshold and give the seat to the highest candidate would be a good compromise
    Christians should look to do some votes transfer from south to achrafieh
    From north2 to north3
    Zahleh city to become its own district with 2-3 MPs just like saida
    Tripoli Maronite seat to be transferred to batroun
    Westbekaa maronite seat to jbeil
    The above measures will be enough to keep a respectable Christian representation for an additional generation
     
    #8
    1- Independent Government to manage the elections not a fraud like Nohad al Mashnuk running it.
    2- 2 preferential votes to candidates from different cazas.
    3- Larger district to increase PR effectiveness when it possible while keeping the same Christian Influence:

    a- Combine Metn with Jbiel-Keserwan(16 seats). Baabda to Alley-Chouf(19 seats).
    b- South can be single district(23 seats).
    c- Combine North 1 & 2.
    d- Combine Zahle and Western Beeka.
     
    #9
    From north2 to north3
    Zahleh city to become its own district with 2-3 MPs just like saida
    Tripoli Maronite seat to be transferred to batroun
    Westbekaa maronite seat to jbeil
    Sho mfakeraa deeke so you can move seats anywhere.
    Electoral districts should consider population distribution and sectarian distribution as well, even the current districts are too in favour of (some) Christians.
     
    #10
    1- Independent Government to manage the elections not a fraud like Nohad al Mashnuk running it.
    2- 2 preferential votes to candidates from different cazas.
    3- Larger district to increase PR effectiveness when it possible while keeping the same Christian Influence:

    a- Combine Metn with Jbiel-Keserwan(16 seats). Baabda to Alley-Chouf(19 seats).
    b- South can be single district(23 seats).
    c- Combine North 1 & 2.
    d- Combine Zahle and Western Beeka.
    So you can get all our MPs elected !
    Again we spent 30 being politically and socially massacred by syrian occupation
    then by misrepresentation and getting us out of state institutions
    Now you want again to abuse us by electing all our MPs again
    go and read the elections results and you will see that orthodox law is a must
    If we accept to do elections with communities that are run by taklif char3i this does not mean we are sheeps
    This mascarade should stop and we better go to a federal structure
    The numbers of state employees involved in elections were 89 in beirut1 compared to more than 800 in beirut2
    And 1700 in nabatiyeh
    We are being literally displaced from our country and you just can’t get enough
    We can’t keep on paying taxes and electricity bills for you to live on our backs
    Enough this mascarade
    We tried everything it’s not working
    Federalism is a must
     
    #11
    Sho mfakeraa deeke so you can move seats anywhere.
    Electoral districts should consider population distribution and sectarian distribution as well, even the current districts are too in favour of (some) Christians.
    This law will stay as is for at least 3 more elections
    We have half the parliament we will get it
    Whether you like it or not
     
    #12
    So you can get all our MPs elected !
    Again we spent 30 being politically and socially massacred by syrian occupation
    then by misrepresentation and getting us out of state institutions
    Now you want again to abuse us by electing all our MPs again
    go and read the elections results and you will see that orthodox law is a must
    If we accept to do elections with communities that are run by taklif char3i this does not mean we are sheeps
    This mascarade should stop and we better go to a federal structure
    The numbers of state employees involved in elections were 89 in beirut1 compared to more than 800 in beirut2
    And 1700 in nabatiyeh
    We are being literally displaced from our country and you just can’t get enough
    We can’t keep on paying taxes and electricity bills for you to live on our backs
    Enough this mascarade
    We tried everything it’s not working
    Federalism is a must
    This law will stay as is for at least 3 more elections
    We have half the parliament we will get it
    Whether you like it or not

    You seem to have no idea how these districts were made. The Christians can elect 55 MPs with their own votes with 9 or 10 districts, the more curving was solely to create safe havens for politicians and that's why we have districts with 5 & 7 seats.

    A Jbiel-Keserwan-Metn district would create a large electoral district of 16 seats and 90% christian voters.
    Baabda-Alley-Chouf would create a 19 seats districts boost Christians with more influence.
    South as single district would allow Christians to elect 3.5 out 5 seats there, also a very large district.

    But large districts allow secular parties and civic movements to easily reach a hasel and become a challenge, but they won't allow it.
     

    lebanese1

    Legendary Member
    #13
    You seem to have no idea how these districts were made. The Christians can elect 55 MPs with their own votes with 9 or 10 districts, the more curving was solely to create safe havens for politicians and that's why we have districts with 5 & 7 seats.

    A Jbiel-Keserwan-Metn district would create a large electoral district of 16 seats and 90% christian voters.
    Baabda-Alley-Chouf would create a 19 seats districts boost Christians with more influence.
    South as single district would allow Christians to elect 3.5 out 5 seats there, also a very large district.

    But large districts allow secular parties and civic movements to easily reach a hasel and become a challenge, but they won't allow it.
    With large districts, the threshold is no more the 7asel. It becomes more than a 7asel.
     

    Aoune32!

    Active Member
    #14
    Baabda should be with aley if any
    We need to avoid spill overs
    The chi3a and Druze communities are growing faster that’s why the current districts should be kept as is if nor reduced in size
    Christians by getting 55 mp are back again
    The law should be kept as is
    Horizontal ranking is worse than the current system
    Maybe introduce a threshold and give the seat to the highest candidate would be a good compromise
    Christians should look to do some votes transfer from south to achrafieh
    From north2 to north3
    Zahleh city to become its own district with 2-3 MPs just like saida
    Tripoli Maronite seat to be transferred to batroun
    Westbekaa maronite seat to jbeil
    The above measures will be enough to keep a respectable Christian representation for an additional generation
    I would place Metn with Keserwen-Jbeil
    Baabda with Chouf-Aley
    The Tripoli maronite MP to some other district as there is only 2K maronite there.
    Then decentralization immediately.
     
    #15
    With large districts, the threshold is no more the 7asel. It becomes more than a 7asel.
    Party A run in Keserwan-Jbiel and gets 8,000 votes and hasel is 13,000 ... wins no seats.
    It also run in Metn and gets 9,000 votes and hasel is 12,000 also don't win any seats.

    If Metn and Keserwan/Jbeil are combined, the hasel remains almost the same, but that party would reach it with the combined votes and win a seat.
     

    lebanese1

    Legendary Member
    #16
    Party A run in Keserwan-Jbiel and gets 8,000 votes and hasel is 13,000 ... wins no seats.
    It also run in Metn and gets 9,000 votes and hasel is 12,000 also don't win any seats.

    If Metn and Keserwan/Jbeil are combined, the hasel remains almost the same, but that party would reach it with the combined votes and win a seat.
    yes but the treshold will become higher than the 7asel. For example, in a district of 20 seats, the 7asel is (100/20=5%) bu they could set the treshold at 7 or 10% which is logical. So a 7asel doesnt get you a seat. You will need 1.5 or 2 7asels to make it.
     
    #17
    Party A run in Keserwan-Jbiel and gets 8,000 votes and hasel is 13,000 ... wins no seats.
    It also run in Metn and gets 9,000 votes and hasel is 12,000 also don't win any seats.

    If Metn and Keserwan/Jbeil are combined, the hasel remains almost the same, but that party would reach it with the combined votes and win a seat.
    There is no point having 100 weak party in lebanon
    We are already very fragmented
    What is the added value of Farid haykal Murr and yacoubian
    Nothing at all
    It’s way better to have big political groups that can achieve that have the power to place new laws and have them approved
     
    #18
    I would place Baabda ma3 Metn so it reduces the muslim impact on the district (14 seats).
    Chouf-Aley
    Keserwen-Jbeil

    3 large district same as all the rest. North I would leave as is. Bekaa as is. In the South I would change Jezzine ma3 Zahrani.
    Saida-Sour
    Nabatiyeh-Marjeyoun-Hasbaya-Bent Jbeil

    If one has voting with 2 preferentials OR preferential on district OR one man one vote will it increase the christian MP from 55 to 64??