Are American Court Orders Enforceable in Lebanon: Lebanon Hands Over its Citizens to a Foreign Country

[Dark Angel]

He is the foreign minister. He ought to have released a statement by now. We as Lebanese citizens have no worth apparently, as human beings and citizens. We can be extradited, arrested, tortured, kidnapped, and abused arbitrarily and illegally without any sense of urgency and feeling of guilt.

I don't care what HA and Berri have to say. I want to know what the Lebanese laws say. What do lawyers and judges have to say. That is how to build a modern state. We don't need to hear from HA and Berri to know this is treason and this is a violation of the rights of the people of Lebanon. We don't want a "bab el 7ara republic", where what personalities say become law and order. What does the Lebanese law say on extradition?

law? leish inta aslan btefham bel law? he was arrested by the Lebanese authorities according to an official judicial request from the USA. he was investigated, and then a judicial Lebanese ruling was issued to send the child back to his mother.

do you know how ali saleme got his kid from the USA at the first place? do you know if was accorded custody in the USA?

w shou khasso gebran bassil anyway? bass this goes to show you 3ala 7a2i2tak.

 

[Dark Angel]

if this story is exactly as described this is outrageous.
julian Assange who was accused of very serious crimes in the US, has the right to oppose extradition.
So having a lebanese person extradited just on the spot smells big ass licking

shou khass assange bel mawdou3? the report is clear, ali saleme kidnapped his son, a US citizen, from the USA after his mother was awarded custody.

Woman begs for son's return from Lebanon

Rachelle Smith is desperate to find her three-year-old son, Dexter. She says he was taken by his father, Ali Salamae, with whom she is battling for their son's custody.

www.fox13news.com

Bring Dexter Home – We Won't Stop Until You're Home

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[Rafidi]

law? leish inta aslan btefham bel law? he was arrested by the Lebanese authorities according to an official judicial request from the USA. he was investigated, and then a judicial Lebanese ruling was issued to send the child back to his mother.

do you know how ali saleme got his kid from the USA at the first place? do you know if was accorded custody in the USA?

w shou khasso gebran bassil anyway? bass this goes to show you 3ala 7a2i2tak.

Does our govt have the right to enforce the judicial order of another country? Isn't that judicial order in contravention of Lebanese laws? That was the reason he brought his son to Lebanon. And Lebanon isnt a signatory to the Hague Convention on Child Abduction. Meaning based on Lebanese law, a Lebanese father can NEVER be deemed guilty of kidnapping his own child. Are you stupid? We want to know the ba$tard yhatt ordered this kidnapping of a Lebanese father and his child and handed them over to a foreign country. Doesn't the father have right to custody according to Lebanese law? How did he manage to get passport for his kid through the Lebanese embassy in the US?

Which Lebanese judge ordered his extradition? None! This is a matter of law. Not jungle justice. Do our security agents have right to pass a law order against a citizen? Does even a govt have right to judge and pass law and then execute the law? What happens to separation of powers? What role did our judiciary play in this case? What investigation? Did the authorities go to court to get an extradition order? Did the accuse get the chance to defend himself against the order?

You're misrepresenting the entire case. I would rather ignore you because your sense of justice is perverted.

Eventually, we will know who's responsible for this mess.

 

[JustLeb]

shou khass assange bel mawdou3? the report is clear, ali saleme kidnapped his son, a US citizen, from the USA after his mother was awarded custody.

Woman begs for son's return from Lebanon

Rachelle Smith is desperate to find her three-year-old son, Dexter. She says he was taken by his father, Ali Salamae, with whom she is battling for their son's custody.

www.fox13news.com

Bring Dexter Home – We Won't Stop Until You're Home

bringdexterhome.com

the father was arrested and sent to the US, is this true or I missed something ?

 

[Dark Angel]

Does our govt have the right to enforce the judicial order of another country? Isn't that judicial order in contravention of Lebanese laws? That was the reason he brought his son to Lebanon. And Lebanon isnt a signatory to the Hague Convention on Child Abduction. Meaning based on Lebanese law, a Lebanese father can NEVER be deemed guilty of kidnapping his own child. Are you stupid? We want to know the ba$tard yhatt ordered this kidnapping of a Lebanese father and his child and handed them over to a foreign country. Doesn't the father have right to custody according to Lebanese law? How did he manage to get passport for his kid through the Lebanese embassy in the US?

Which Lebanese judge ordered his extradition? None! This is a matter of law. Not jungle justice. Do our security agents have right to pass a law order against a citizen? Does even a govt have right to judge and pass law and then execute the law? What happens to separation of powers? What role did our judiciary play in this case? What investigation? Did the authorities go to court to get an extradition order? Did the accuse get the chance to defend himself against the order?

You're misrepresenting the entire case. I would rather ignore you because your sense of justice is perverted.

Eventually, we will know who's responsible for this mess.

there was a judicial order issued by the Lebanese judicial system, i have no clue what that entails or why the chose to expedite both the father and the son. you do not know either. so stop flailing left and right, one minute attacking gebran bassil the next announcing you will find out who is responsible. the guy kidnapped his son from the USA and fled to Lebanon without having custody. i am not sure what the Lebanese law says about this situation, nor are you. so ma badda ktir marajel w ma ta3mel 7elak innak 7emi el doustour wel 2enoun, li anno both of them ma bye3noulak shi, and we know that for a fact.

and ayya security agents? there was a warrant issued from local authorities to interrogate the guy, he was interrogated, after his interrogation the judge issued an order to expedite him to the states. i have no clue what was brought up in the interrogation or why the judge chose to expedite both the father and the son instead of releasing the son to the custody of his mother. you do not have any clue either. maybe he was given a choice between being arrested indefinitely in Lebanon waiting years for a trial or between serving time in a low security prison in Florida, who knows. until you have all the details you cannot make any conclusions.

ba3dein inta halla2 we3e 3indak el 7ess el insene? people wait years upon years in custody without a trial in Lebanon, living like animals in prisons, and ma raffalak jefn w mesh fer2ene ma3ak la men arib wala men b3id. bass emit 2yemtak leish abou dexter's civil rights were violated?

and in all cases, the jadid has a long established history in biasing these reports and presenting them one sided.

 

[Dark Angel]

the father was arrested and sent to the US, is this true or I missed something ?

i hope it is true. better for him to serve a couple of years in a minimum security prison in the US rather than be buried alive in roumieh and forgotten for years upon years.

 

[JustLeb]

i hope it is true. better for him to serve a couple of years in a minimum security prison in the US rather than be buried alive in roumieh and forgotten for years upon years.

And you asked shou khass Assange !!!
He was arrested and sent to USA within few hours without any opportunity to fight the extradition.
so it does not feel to you that this is an ass licking ?!!!
take it otherwise, does the US authorities just ship any person (in a matter of hours) the Lebanese authorities accuse of crime on the lebanese territory ?

 

[Rafidi]

there was a judicial order issued by the Lebanese judicial system, i have no clue what that entails or why the chose to expedite both the father and the son. you do not know either. so stop flailing left and right, one minute attacking gebran bassil the next announcing you will find out who is responsible. the guy kidnapped his son from the USA and fled to Lebanon without having custody. i am not sure what the Lebanese law says about this situation, nor are you. so ma badda ktir marajel w ma ta3mel 7elak innak 7emi el doustour wel 2enoun, li anno both of them ma bye3noulak shi, and we know that for a fact.

and ayya security agents? there was a warrant issued from local authorities to interrogate the guy, he was interrogated, after his interrogation the judge issued an order to expedite him to the states. i have no clue what was brought up in the interrogation or why the judge chose to expedite both the father and the son instead of releasing the son to the custody of his mother. you do not have any clue either. maybe he was given a choice between being arrested indefinitely in Lebanon waiting years for a trial or between serving time in a low security prison in Florida, who knows. until you have all the details you cannot make any conclusions.

ba3dein inta halla2 we3e 3indak el 7ess el insene? people wait years upon years in custody without a trial in Lebanon, living like animals in prisons, and ma raffalak jefn w mesh fer2ene ma3ak la men arib wala men b3id. bass emit 2yemtak leish abou dexter's civil rights were violated?

and in all cases, the jadid has a long established history in biasing these reports and presenting them one sided.

You're talking nonsense and sugarcoating personal attacks. That's what you're known for. You make presumptions about people and who you think they're to create and tag them with stereotypes. The warped Lebanese way of violating fairness.

If there was a judicial order, then it was expedited and it was unfair. The accused had no fair trial. There wasn't even one. Who's the miserable and unprofessional and apparently politicized judge?

If the law violated in the US is in contravention of Lebanese law, then what would take precedence in Lebanon, since the accused was on Lebanese soil? We are not obliged to enforce American laws on Lebanese citizen on Lebanese soil. That is simple. Americans believe a father can kidnap his infant. Lebanese law disagree.

By the way, there is a difference between "expedite" and "extradite". Get a dictionary.

 

[Rafidi]

i hope it is true. better for him to serve a couple of years in a minimum security prison in the US rather than be buried alive in roumieh and forgotten for years upon years.

He did nothing wrong by travelling with his kid to Lebanon. Why should he be sent to roumieh? For what?

 

[Rafidi]

And you asked shou khass Assange !!!
He was arrested and sent to USA within few hours without any opportunity to fight the extradition.
so it does not feel to you that this is an ass licking ?!!!
take it otherwise, does the US authorities just ship any person (in a matter of hours) the Lebanese authorities accuse of crime on the lebanese territory ?

If an American kills a Lebanese in the streets of Beirut, and the American manages to escape to the US, the US govt will NEVER extradite that American citizen of theirs to Lebanon. Our govt is kidding its citizens and displaying lawlessness to please a foreign power. If our govt is behaving like an outlaw, why do we blame Z3aitar thugs? Killo methel ba3do. Ma7adan baree2.

 

[Dark Angel]

He did nothing wrong by travelling with his kid to Lebanon. Why should he be sent to roumieh? For what?

which goes to say you have no understand of right and wrong. the father kidnapped his son from the mother who was awarded custody by a court in the united states and fled to Lebanon. that is not the same as traveling to Lebanon with his son. the guy is also a us citizen born in the united states. mesh mazbale lebnen kell ma wa7ad baddo ya3mol jarime yeje yetkhabba hown.

 

[Rafidi]

And you asked shou khass Assange !!!
He was arrested and sent to USA within few hours without any opportunity to fight the extradition.
so it does not feel to you that this is an ass licking ?!!!
take it otherwise, does the US authorities just ship any person (in a matter of hours) the Lebanese authorities accuse of crime on the lebanese territory ?

Within few hours he was extradited...no trial at all. This is a police or mafia state we live in. No respect for citizens. After this crime against a Lebanese father and his child, I have no respect for the Lebanese govt. I also do not blame all those who act lawlessly and behave in a thuggish way. The state itself is criminal against its own citizens.

 

[Rafidi]

which goes to say you have no understand of right and wrong. the father kidnapped his son from the mother who was awarded custody by a court in the united states and fled to Lebanon. that is not the same as traveling to Lebanon with his son. the guy is also a us citizen born in the united states. mesh mazbale lebnen kell ma wa7ad baddo ya3mol jarime yeje yetkhabba hown.

He is a Lebanese citizen. According to Lebanese law, a father is entitled to his child at age 2. Custody laws differ. So it isn't a crime what he did.

Alberto Fujimori was the president of Peru. He had dual Peruvian and Japanese citizenship. He lived in Japan for many years avoiding extradition to Peru for crimes he committed. Japan refused to extradite him. That is a country that respects itself and its citizen. Not the filthy we have as govt in Lebanon. El mazbale ashkelak. Whoever committed this crime against a Lebanese father should be brought to book.

 

[Rafidi]

@Dark Angel

If what the govt or whoever in the govt did is right because the father broke american child custody law, then from now on, any Lebanese that marries through a civil court outside Lebanon should have his marriage voided and nullified in Lebanon and considered a crime and should be required to arrange a religious wedding based on Lebanese law. It is the same thing exactly.

 

[Iron Maiden]

Isnt this the same type of kidnapping that happenned in australia and the mother came here looking for her children?

Had the australian court also given her sole custody when the father took his kids?

 

[Rafidi]

Isnt this the same type of kidnapping that happenned in australia and the mother came here looking for her children?

Had the australian court also given her sole custody when the father took his kids?

If you read the article posted earlier, this is the first time the Lebanese mafia state chose to honor the request of a foreign govt to extradite a Lebanese father for taking custody of his child and fleeing to Lebanon. Lebanese law can NEVER consider a father who took custody of his child a crime or a case of kidnap. Therefore Lebanese law will supersede American laws in Lebanon. The father has right to custody and the mother could have been given right to visit her kid. What just happened is a case of asslicking by our mafia govt at the expense of the rights of a Lebanese father to impress a foreign nation. It is treason. The ba$tard who gave such order should be punished. That simple.

 

[Dark Angel]

You're talking nonsense and sugarcoating personal attacks. That's what you're known for. You make presumptions about people and who you think they're.

see what a nasty individual you are? a few posts ago you were raging against bassil calling him all sorts of names, because of presumptions you have ill construed in this twisted brain of yours. so keef elak 3ein te7ke 3an el presumptions? hayde saret mukr w wa2e7a.

If there was a judicial order, then it was expedited and it was unfair. The accused had no fair trial.

it is not a matter of "if". there was in fact a judicial order as the jadid report states. i do not know whether or not he had a fair trial or why he was expedited, nor do you. and no one can formulate a sane opinion without knowing these details. at least take your own lecture about not making presumptions if you are not brave and courageous enough to learn from others.

If the law violated in the US is in contravention of Lebanese law, then what would take precedence in Lebanon, since the accused was on Lebanese soil? We are not obliged to enforce American laws on Lebanese citizen on Lebanese soil. That is simple.

i have no clue what ali salemh situation is with regards to the Lebanese law.

Americans believe a father can kidnap his infant. Lebanese law disagree.

only the jungle law disagrees. the twisted Lebanese law deals with the situation based on a7wel shakhsiye, and since the guy is muslem the mother is awarded custody at least until the boy is about 9 years old. so bala falsafe. only a few month ago the jadid aired a report about the subject and how cruel it was for the father to kidnap the children away from their mom. isa nessi aw 3am tetzeka ana bzakrak.

By the way, there is a difference between "expedite" and "extradite". Get a dictionary.

metl da7aha w kawwarha? w falak w madar?

 

[Dark Angel]

@Dark Angel

If what the govt or whoever in the govt did is right because the father broke american child custody law, then from now on, any Lebanese that marries through a civil court outside Lebanon should have his marriage voided and nullified in Lebanon and considered a crime and should be required to arrange a religious wedding based on Lebanese law. It is the same thing exactly.

wth is wrong with you dude?

 

[Rafidi]

see what a nasty individual you are? a few posts ago you were raging against bassil calling him all sorts of names, because of presumptions you have ill construed in this twisted brain of yours. so keef elak 3ein te7ke 3an el presumptions? hayde saret mukr w wa2e7a.


it is not a matter of "if". there was in fact a judicial order as the jadid report states. i do not know whether or not he had a fair trial or why he was expedited, nor do you. and no one can formulate a sane opinion without knowing these details. at least take your own lecture about not making presumptions if you are not brave and courageous enough to learn from others.


i have no clue what ali salemh situation is with regards to the Lebanese law.


only the jungle law disagrees. the twisted Lebanese law deals with the situation based on a7wel shakhsiye, and since the guy is muslem the mother is awarded custody at least until the boy is about 9 years old. so bala falsafe. only a few month ago the jadid aired a report about the subject and how cruel it was for the father to kidnap the children away from their mom. isa nessi aw 3am tetzeka ana bzakrak.


metl da7aha w kawwarha? w falak w madar?

In case you have forgotten, Abass Ibrahim used force to take custody of his son from his ex wife. He sent security officers to forcefully strip the child from his mother. The video was posted on this forum. That was appalling. At 2 years old, the father gets custody.

It would be hypocritical for the same Abass Ibrahim to deny another father what he was awarded by enforcing a treasonable order.

Whether the law is cruel or not, is not the issue. I personally may or may not agree with the law itself. However, this case has many bad examples. There was no fair trial. It isn't just a case of giving a mother custody. It is a case of our govt handing over its citizens to another govt without fair trial or due legal process. It is a violation of the rights of citizenship.

Whether the law is fair or not is not the issue. We can say let's change the law. Until then, our laws must also be respected. Why didn't they send the child back to the mother and not also kidnap the father along and send him to a foreign govt?

This is a bad precedence and it is dangerous.

 

[SeaAb]

@Indie bit7ebbe hal 2osas...ta3e feshe khel2ik plz.