Are American Court Orders Enforceable in Lebanon: Lebanon Hands Over its Citizens to a Foreign Country

[SeaAb]

We need a lawyer, like @Abou Sandal.

Abu Sandal mashghool ma3 Bshara Al Asmar.

 

[Rafidi]

It looks like the Saudis have more [email protected]@@$ than the Lebanese authorities after all. Do we still know what has happened to this topic?

The Saudis just handed custody of a kid to the Saudi father because the American mom, who's a new convert to Islam, was too western to act as a proper example to her daughter:

U.S. mother loses custody battle over her daughter in Saudi Arabia

Bethany Vierra, 32, lost custody of her daughter - four-year-old Zaina - in July after the court determined that the mother was too 'new to Islam.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

The excuse is lame and I'm not supporting the action. But there is nothing that stops a father from taking custody of a child, whether the mom is too western or too Islamic makes no difference if that is the law.

 

[Rafidi]

In Lebanon it is illegal i think to get a passport for your children without the consent of both parents.

Anyway, so what s the problem here really? Is it because the "ma7kame ja3fariye law" got over ruled?

That is a big problem because ma7kame el ja3fariyyeh is part of Lebanese legal system. And you cannot use an alien legal system and its laws to overrule on the laws of the country, however fine and beautiful the alien legal system is. Except if this means we are dumping all the sectarian courts, including the Christian ones and adopting the American legal system. I am not arguing for or against any system or its laws. I am simply saying whatever is in place should have been respected because it has to do with our sovereignty as a country. It is that simple. I may not necessarily agree with the very Lebanese laws that give custody to the father, even if the father might be right in this case or not. But the government cannot undo laws. Those in power or politicians and political office holders should not be the ones deciding on legal matters. Where's the separation of powers in Lebanon? There is no such thing. We are still in the stone age when it comes to having a modern judiciary. When our rogue politicians meet and agree on anything, it becomes law. Our courts are virtually nonexistent. Politicians appoint judges and they make and execute, review, implement and change laws. We have no judiciary. Any case can be settled through an influential politician who can work things out in one's favor. That is lawlessness.

 

[!Aoune32]

@Rachel Corrie what the Lebanese authorities did here is a grave mistake. we have no extradition treaty with the US. the people in question are Lebanese. this is just another example of being slaves to the US. ma da5alo b ja3fari courts or catholic or orthodox courts etc.

 

[Rafidi]

@Rachel Corrie what the Lebanese authorities did here is a grave mistake. we have no extradition treaty with the US. the people in question are Lebanese. this is just another example of being slaves to the US. ma da5alo b ja3fari courts or catholic or orthodox courts etc.

Your post hits the nail on the head.

Everyone is quiet on this issue. Both the pro-western and anti-western camps and the nationalist/neutral camps. The media too very much silent. We should know who made the mistake and ordered for the kidnapping and handing over citizens of Lebanon to a foreign country. Let us know who ordered for it. Why the deafening silence? Don't we have media houses in Lebanon? Where are the TV stations? Where is aljadeed on this story?

 

[!Aoune32]

Your post hits the nail on the head.

Everyone is quiet on this issue. Both the pro-western and anti-western camps and the nationalist/neutral camps. The media too very much silent. We should know who made the mistake and ordered for the kidnapping and handing over citizens of Lebanon to a foreign country. Let us know who ordered for it. Why the deafening silence? Don't we have media houses in Lebanon? Where are the TV stations? Where is aljadeed on this story?

why?? la2ano lebanon is an american parasite. they dont want u to be a strong country fighting their partner in crime in the ME. the US was never and never will be the friend of minorities in the ME.

 

[Robin Hood]

Your post hits the nail on the head.

Everyone is quiet on this issue. Both the pro-western and anti-western camps and the nationalist/neutral camps. The media too very much silent. We should know who made the mistake and ordered for the kidnapping and handing over citizens of Lebanon to a foreign country. Let us know who ordered for it. Why the deafening silence? Don't we have media houses in Lebanon? Where are the TV stations? Where is aljadeed on this story?

The politicians are probably afraid of US sanctions.

 

[Rafidi]

The politicians are probably afraid of US sanctions.

So compromising on our sovereignty and the right of their citizens would prevent US sanctions? The US is already sanctioning our politicians. The US is already sanctioning every country. We wont die of US sanctions eventually.

 

[JustLeb]

For people who still think that whatever any other court in the world, in particular the US, says it should be enforced in Lebanon check this:
US diplomat's wife was driving on the wrong side of the road before her fatal UK crash, police say
naturally the US refuses to hand over the diplomat's wife who fled the UK

US diplomat's wife was driving on the wrong side of the road before her fatal UK crash, police say

An American diplomat's wife, who left the United Kingdom after becoming a suspect in a fatal traffic collision, was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time of the crash, according to the police.

edition.cnn.com

However if you think the diplomats and their families should be immune, then check this

Arrest, strip-search of Indian diplomat in New York triggers uproar

Arrest, strip-search of Indian diplomat in New York triggers uproar - CNNPolitics

The arrest and detention of an Indian consular official in New York on visa fraud charges has created a diplomatic uproar.

edition.cnn.com