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Are #metoo women just a bunch of hypocritical attention seekers?

manifesto

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A video of Harvey Weinstein aired on television wednesday showing him boldly propositioning a woman who later accused him of rape and repeatedly touching her and stroking her arm and back during what was supposed to have been a business meeting.

I watched the video and the flirtation and touching seemed consensual to me.
It also shows her joking about his advances, saying that "data is hot". Not once did she bother rebuke his advances or stop the meeting.
When he put his hands up her dress, she told him "that's too high, that's too high".
Any normal woman would have slapped him or at least cancelled the meeting.
On the contrary, she was encouraging his behavior and smiling all the way through the meeting.

And now she has the guts to come after him and accuse him of inappropriate behavior.

It's like every stupid dumb bimbo wants to get on the #metoo bandwagon now to get some publicity or make financial gains.

I'm having a very hard time sympathizing with this opportunistic pretend victim.

 
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  • Iron Maiden

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    #2
    If u want to have an extra layer of laughter, asia argento, the woman who first launched the anti Weinstein movement, is accused of forcing a 17 year old actor into having sex with her
     

    Indie

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    #4
    Dealing with sexual assault as a woman is a very real problem but the "me too" movement is just another leftist fiasco. I never supported it because justice should be about due process, and not about mobs taking justice into their own hands. Some of the men who were publicly accused turned out to be innocent, but they were put through a terrible ordeal by unscrupulous women and their blind followers.
     

    manifesto

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    She is accusing him of rape, you "dumb bimbo".
    She flirted along and then accused him of inappropriate behavior.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the "rape" happened to be consensual intercourse. She sounds like a liar to me.

    These women sold themselves for fame, went into a hotel room alone with Weinstein, and now after they have offered him their bodies and got the deal they wanted, they are trying to come off as "victims".

    They all sound like manipulators to me. Some Hollywood newbies are so fame-hungered that they're willing to do anything.

    Just a few days before Weinstein was indicted, they were still seen smiling and hanging out with him. What a bunch of hypocrites.

    They seemed fine with "rape" as long as it got them awards and movie deals.
     
    #6
    "Are #metoo women just a bunch of hypocritical attention whores?"
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    IMHO there are two of the kind.

    There are some who were raped and obviously they are not whores.

    There are others who decided to earn favors by spreading their whatever(s) and they are whores indeed.
     

    Muki

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    She flirted along and then accused him of inappropriate behavior.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the "rape" happened to be consensual intercourse. She sounds like a liar to me.

    These women sold themselves for fame, went into a hotel room alone with Weinstein, and now after they have offered him their bodies and got the deal they wanted, they are trying to come off as "victims".

    They all sound like manipulators to me. Some Hollywood newbies are so fame-hungered that they're willing to do anything.

    Just a few days before Weinstein was indicted, they were still seen smiling and hanging out with him. What a bunch of hypocrites.

    They seemed fine with "rape" as long as it got them awards and movie deals.
    Flirting is not consent to anything. Just because a woman flirts with you, it doesn't give you the right to harass her, or worse, rape her.
    And she wasn't flirting with him in the video. Are you nuts?

    She was harassed by him, as clearly shown. He kept changing the conversation and making sexual remarks that have nothing to do with business, while she kept changing the conversation back to her work. No "boss" should be making sexual remarks to any employee.

    Furthermore, quite ridiculous to take this one case and generalize it to an entire campaign. Even more ridiculous when you restrict #metoo movement to Hollywood and "them being fine with rape as long as it got them awards and movie deals" when this is a much bigger, much more prevalent problem that occurs at any place of employment, and which I've unfortunately seen first hand.
     

    manifesto

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    Flirting is not consent to anything. Just because a woman flirts with you, it doesn't give you the right to harass her, or worse, rape her.
    And she wasn't flirting with him in the video. Are you nuts?

    She was harassed by him, as clearly shown. He kept changing the conversation and making sexual remarks that have nothing to do with business, while she kept changing the conversation back to her work. No "boss" should be making sexual remarks to any employee.

    Furthermore, quite ridiculous to take this one case and generalize it to an entire campaign. Even more ridiculous when you restrict #metoo movement to Hollywood and "them being fine with rape as long as it got them awards and movie deals" when this is a much bigger, much more prevalent problem that occurs at any place of employment, and which I've unfortunately seen first hand.

    Clearly you didn't watch the video.

    He was touching her throughout the meeting and she didn't bother resist him or leave the room. She even joked that "data is hot".
    If that's not consent, I don't what is.

    I have no idea if he raped her or not. That's another issue. But to accuse him of inappropriate behavior based on this video alone is hypocritical at best.

    Don't be one of those annoying democrats @Muki.
     

    Muki

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    Dealing with sexual assault as a woman is a very real problem but the "me too" movement is just another leftist fiasco. I never supported it because justice should be about due process, and not about mobs taking justice into their own hands. Some of the men who were publicly accused turned out to be innocent, but they were put through a terrible ordeal by unscrupulous women and their blind followers.
    Campaign is about raising awareness. Individuals may choose to prosecute their accused, and that's where due process comes in.

    Campaign is concerned with millions of victims of harassment, assault, and rape who have had to hide what happened to them because of the negative treatment they would've incurred from society had they come forward. Oh, by the way. There's no due process for these people. Statute of limitations.
     

    Indie

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    Campaign is about raising awareness. Individuals may choose to prosecute their accused, and that's where due process comes in.

    Campaign is concerned with millions of victims of harassment, assault, and rape who have had to hide what happened to them because of the negative treatment they would've incurred from society had they come forward. Oh, by the way. There's no due process for these people. Statute of limitations.
    Some men who were highly respected in their field lost their job because of vicious twitter mob-attack campaigns, and later turned out to be innocent.

    Tarnishing people's image online or in the media, without proof, 10 or 20 years after alleged abuse, serves no purpose whatsoever.
     

    Muki

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    Clearly you didn't watch the video.

    He was touching her throughout the meeting and she didn't bother resist him or leave the room. She even joked that "data is hot".
    If that's not consent, I don't what is.

    I have no idea if he raped her or not. That's another issue. But to accuse him of inappropriate behavior based on this video alone is hypocritical at best.

    Don't be one of those annoying democrats @Muki.
    The most you can argue is that she enabled him, and to a certain extent she did. But you don't get to call her a dumb bimbo because clearly he initiated the inappropriate behavior and she was right to accuse him of such. Even if she fully consented to what he was doing, what he did is straight out wrong, inappropriate, and unprofessional.
     

    Indie

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    #12
    The same women behind this campaign are the ones who are all about the "sexual revolution." They are the same actresses who consented and still consent to infect movies with disgusting porn-like scenes, forcing the unwilling audience to watch such scenes...because you never know when they'll pop up, so unless you stop watching movies altogether, you will be exposed to them.

    The initiators might be men...but women, willingly or unwillingly, go along for various reasons.

    It would be better for women to look into why they enable men to behave in such sleezy ways, and how they can stop doing that. Past generations of women who did away with sexual rules are as much to blame as men for what new generations of women are going through. When some women decide that sexual and relationship rules are to be thrown away, they create a certain expectation in men and expose other, unwilling, women to sexually predatory behaviour.
     

    Muki

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    Some men who were highly respected in their field lost their job because of vicious twitter mob-attack campaigns, and later turned out to be innocent.

    Tarnishing people's image online or in the media, without proof, 10 or 20 years after alleged abuse, serves no purpose whatsoever.
    Yes, that's true, but that is a conversation held by #metoo campaign supporters all the time. Because it is not a reason to destroy a movement that is bringing a lot of good to our country, based on the actions of individuals whose actions cannot be policed by campaign leaders anymore than the police, heck the president, can. People will do things from behind a screen, and get away with it, and while doing so they claim to be supportive of a movement that does not condone their behavior. And #metoo campaign does not condone falsely accusing innocent men (or women) because that trivializes sexual misconduct and goes against the objectives of the campaign. And yes, some leaders in the campaign hold a view that a few innocent men being hurt is an acceptable sacrifice, a worthy risk. This movement isn't a dictatorship and various views are welcome.

    'Trust but verify' is a good principle, principle WaPo used when an undercover agent of a right-wing group claimed she was molested by Roy Moore (which was complete lies) in an effort to "prove" mainstream media bias and embarrass WaPo. Of course, journalists at WaPo digged into her story and could not verify it. That is obviously a standard I expect to be followed. Not by right wing tabloids, though. Those are concerned about protecting right wing molesters, nothing more.
     

    Muki

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    The same women behind this campaign are the ones who are all about the "sexual revolution." They are the same actresses who consented and still consent to infect movies with disgusting porn-like scenes, forcing the unwilling audience to watch such scenes...because you never know when they'll pop up, so unless you stop watching movies altogether, you will be exposed to them.

    The initiators might be men...but women, willingly or unwillingly, go along for various reasons.

    It would be better for women to look into why they enable men to behave in such sleezy ways, and how they can stop doing that. Past generations of women who did away with sexual rules are as much to blame as men for what new generations of women are going through. When some women decide that sexual and relationship rules are to be thrown away, they create a certain expectation in men and expose other, unwilling, women to sexually predatory behaviour.
    Tell that to the women of Egypt. They're being molested because of sexual revolution, eh?

    Consesual sex is not the same as sexual misconduct. Not sure why you are conflating the two. The former isn't a stepping stone into the latter. If you engage in non-consensual sexual behavior, then you do not believe in consensual sex and have never championed sexual revolution.

    Ps. Every movie lets you know in its ratings if it's going to contain nudity, violence, etc. Not sure about Canada though.
     

    Indie

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    @Muki you have digested the liberal lies, hook, line, and sinker.

    Maybe one day you'll see the light.

    I'll just quickly respond to the Egypt comment. The issue there is Islam. It's a different situation from the West. But, in both cases, and the issue with both ideologies, is lack of true love and a disrespect towards the true nature of women.
     

    Muki

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    @Muki you have digested the liberal lies, hook, line, and sinker.
    Their lies are more convincing than your truths.
    Either that, or we have a semantics problem.

    Maybe one day you'll see the light.
    Or you will see it first.

    I'll just quickly respond to the Egypt comment. The issue there is Islam. It's a different situation from the West.
    The issue in Egypt is sexually-repressive society that treats women as property and broodmares.
    Just like it was BEFORE sexual revolution in the United States.
     

    manifesto

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    The most you can argue is that she enabled him, and to a certain extent she did. But you don't get to call her a dumb bimbo because clearly he initiated the inappropriate behavior and she was right to accuse him of such. Even if she fully consented to what he was doing, what he did is straight out wrong, inappropriate, and unprofessional.
    Victims don't usually hug their abuser this passionately... Let alone become friends with them.




    Just a few months before Weinstein was disgraced, all those accusers were still seen cozying up to him during award ceremonies...
     

    Indie

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    Their lies are more convincing than your truths.
    Either that, or we have a semantics problem.
    "Any halfway clever devil would decorate the highway to Hell as beautiful as possible."

    You are not being "convinced." You are being lured away from the bitter-tasting medicine.

    Or you will see it first.
    I used to be a lefty, remember? I've been where you are.

    The issue in Egypt is sexually-repressive society that treats women as property and broodmares.
    Just like it was BEFORE sexual revolution in the United States.
    Yes. But the solution was not a "sexual revolution." That only perpetuated the problem. If you think men, nowadays, have a better appreciation of women, and more respect for them, I got news for you.
     

    Muki

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    Victims don't usually hug their abuser this passionately... Let alone become friends with them.

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    Just a few months before Weinstein was disgraced, all those accusers were still seen cozying up to him during award ceremonies...
    You are still focusing on Hollywood and using one example to justify your views. It's like you already hold these views and are looking for any slightest verification of them.

    This issue spans decades and concerns millions, and is much bigger than Hollywood.

    No clue who any of these in the pictures are (you think I give a shit who is ****ing who in Hollywood?). I care about how regular women are impacted by a society that condones harassment of female employees by their bosses.
     

    Indie

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    Victims don't usually hug their abuser this passionately... Let alone become friends with them.

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    Just a few months before Weinstein was disgraced, all those accusers were still seen cozying up to him during award ceremonies...
    Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome?

    Abuse is not always as straightforward as you think. Abuse often happens within the confines of a relationship that has positive aspects, which is very confusing for the victim. It can take years for a woman to realize that some of the behaviour she has been subjected to is abusive. Especially when such behaviour is so widespread that people view it as "normal."

    That's not to say that the "me too" movement is the appropriate way to deal with the issue. It is not. But those pictures don't mean what you think they mean.
     
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