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Do you shave your armpit hair?

  • I'm a man and I do

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • I'm a man and I don't

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • I'm a woman and I do

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • I'm a woman and I don't

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

Indie

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Indie are you trying for the female collusion against males again? :D Even though Dalzi said some women can only be treated with violence, you must be getting desperate. It is ok, Dalzi is on our side, a double agent couldn't hurt. :cool:

Or maybe she's a double agent on our side with really good acting skills :p
 

Indie

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Close but still not accurate. I wax the left side.

Indie is always right so she sits on my hairy right side. Dalzi sits on the heart side :)

I think you have them reversed. Wax for Indie and hairy for Dalzi.

Are you sure? Are you trying to get me in trouble with both? I am not risking it. We will let them spell it out :)

Given that you've given your heart side to Dalzi, you can give her both your armpits too. I've made my decision, I'm going with option 2 :)
 

Zilzel

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
The US Dept of Labor 2009 report puts the wage gap at "4.8 and 7.1 percent", and concludes this difference is due to individual choices.

Most wage gap studies take into consideration full time work. The DoL report (CONSAD report more appropriately) considers part-time and short-term work, which is a significant difference. Essentially, the report was comparing part-time female workers with full-time male workers. Therefore, the conclusion about wage gap percentage here isn't surprising.

Furthermore, CONSAD's methodology does not take into account direct employer discrimination, which I mentioned earlier. Some employers may hire females to lower-paying jobs and males to higher-paying jobs; CONSAD's methodology does not prove or disprove that. Empirical testing has proven this to be an issue time and time again. CONSAD inaccurately calls this "explained" gap, whereas occupational segregation is different than individual choices.

CONSAD's methodology also fails to take into account that employers are less likely to promote women (all else held equal). Again reduced to "explained" gap.

Lastly, an issue needs to be taken with the following list of unquestioned assumptions:

1) That women do the housework
2) That women do the child-rearing
3) That innate ability is actually a factor
4) The fact that jobs are designed for men with wives at home, and not otherwise

All of the above amount to occupational segregation and employer discrimination, both of which explain the majority of the wage gap.

Historical wage gap data or hypothesis - what you call evidence - are irrelevant. We are talking about the situation today not decades ago.

Patriarchal societies don't grow or change overnight, therefore a comparison between contemporary situations and historical situations is warranted, in the interest of exploring the topic in more detail.

You will be hard pressed to make a case that individual choices are due to the oppression/patriarchy/male privilege/discrimination without framing women as objects incapable of taking their own decisions.

Women are very well capable of making their own decisions, but neglecting the influence of the patriarchal system on how women should think and behave, or what type of careers women should lead would amount to being dishonest.

To reiterate, what you consider 'individual choices' actually represents an underlying cause of the wage gap:

Women are forced to take extra time off to care for children, home, and elderly -- because traditionally (and historically), that was their 'role'. These are more like responsibilities as opposed to individual choices.

Regardless of a woman's capacity to make a proper decision regarding her career, those facts hinder a career-oriented woman from maximizing her potential. As stated above, occupational segregation is very well a reality -- women are geared towards less paying jobs & that process results in female-dominated areas (such as social work) and male-dominated areas (such as STEM.. or truck driving). Gender biases and stereotypes continue to affect women today just as they did 30, 40 (and more) years ago. A report by Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) confirms that: New EEOC Report Examines Obstacles Facing Women in Federal Workplace

You will also be hard pressed to make a case that career retardation due to child birth is a form of discrimination because:
- Income in marriages are joint assets anyway
- It is a biological difference that on average slows female career progression compared to male.

The first point is irrelevant -- men can take time off to take care of the children, elderly, or house work. But they don't. That is why historical patterns leading up to today are important in examining this issue.

Biology only affects women for a short period of time -- the rest of the time (majority of time-off that women take) are because of assumed responsibilities. No one can argue with biology, first because it is a minor imprint on the gender gap (thus unnecessary), and second because addressing occupational segregation and employment discrimination which are a result of gender biases & stereotypes (products of the patriarchal system) is much more important. The latter comprise the majority of the gender wage gap -- the report cited by you neglects that fact.
 

Zilzel

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Sure. America after first wave feminism and before second wave feminism.

American society has evolved a lot since then -- why would a society evolve from a working, successful model?

The Dalzian society. It is not restricted to a certain people. It's a scattered collection of traditional families that could have nothing in common but family ideals and traditional structures. If you could bring all those families and put them together in a single place, you would have an ideal society.

In other words, such a society doesn't exist outside your own imagination. Anthropologically speaking, humans lived in egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies for much of human history. In contemporary terms, if you want to compare traditional versus egalitarian societies, you will find that the latter yields much more success: people have political, economic, social, and civil rights.
 

Amirkani

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Given that you've given your heart side to Dalzi, you can give her both your armpits too. I've made my decision, I'm going with option 2 :)
And who told you men love with their hearts?

Anyway Option 2 isn't all that bad. I will find a way to make it to spot 3 in that scenario:)
 

Amirkani

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Fixed.

Let's answer this question first. One thing at a time.
You're so wrong about men. Men do love.

For example when my wife tells me "I love you", I always answer "me too".

I love me too ;)

For the record, this is what option 2 means :)
وهل تهددين الغريق بالبللِ؟

Bring it on... all I can do is watch anyway :)
 

Abou Sandal

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Every time I enter the forum, I get ads about finding and dating Arab women with pictures of stripper looking girls staring at me. Every time I'm on the street, open a magazine, or do a Google search (no matter how unrelated to women) there are silicone breasts and bare naked asses staring at me. It's annoying, but you'll survive.

I keep receiving viagra ads in my junk mail along with other stuff encouraging me to grow something other than my knowledge :p
 

Abou Sandal

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
No, he looks good with moderate natural hair, and especially good with a dark thick beard.

:D

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