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Ashura - Commemoration of Imam Hussain's (as) Martyrdom

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  • elAshtar

    elAshtar

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    Hussain made a selfless stand for social justice

    Hussain witnessed the fundamental human rights of his fellow citizens being usurped and the morality from his society being drained under Yazid’s rule. He knew something had to be done.

    Yazid ruled with an iron fist and demanded Hussain pay him an oath of allegiance, to lend credibility to his rule or be killed. It was here Hussain faced his dilemma… Should he give his oath of allegiance to a tyrant – and stand aside as the people around him were being oppressed? Or should he make a stand and risk great personal loss?

    The timeless words of his grandfather Muhammad echoed in his heart, and Hussain knew what he had to do: “The greatest stand is to speak the word of truth in the face of a tyrant.”


    Hussain made the ultimate sacrifice

    Hussain chose to take a stand against Yazid and was forced to leave his home city under the threat of assassination by Yazid’s men. Alongwith his family and loyal companions, Hussain made his way towards the East in an attempt to avoid and violence. It was on this journey Hussain, his family and companions were forced to stop by an army of over 30,000, on the hot plains of a land called Karbala.

    Hussain chose to take what was the macrocosm of his life and demonstrate it in a single act of extraordinary devotion. In 680 AD, after three days of no water and food in the scorching heat on the deserts of modern day Iraq, Hussain stood and fell valiantly to defend those around him being oppressed and whilst standing for his principles. What’s all the more extraordinary is Hussain chose to stand against this mammoth army despite having only 72 companions with him.


    Who is Hussain?

     
    Robin Hood

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    This should be moved to the Self Improvement sub-forum.
     
    Hameed

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    This should be moved to the Self Improvement sub-forum.
    Eh 3ala asess el 3alam el islami bi a7san 7aleto ..... wlak into wou Al Saoud 7ara2to dino lal 3alam el 3arabeh bi 2esem el deen

    la bass .. lezeem eykoun bel self-improvement !! what a bunch of traders
     
    LebReporter

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    [video=facebook;505309252936071]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=505309252936071[/video]
     
    Libnene Qu7

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    I asked a Sunni friend of mine why they don't commemorate Ashura, owing to the fact that Hussain was the prophet's grandson, no less. He said Hussain's trip to Kuffa was part of a power struggle to gain control of the fledging empire, and that the massacre happened due to his miscalculation and getting back-stabbed by the people of Kuffa, who had originally informed him they will rise up against Yazid upon his arrival. In other words, Sunnis view Hussain as someone who tried to gain power illegitimately but failed miserably, rather than someone who stood up against oppression and injustice.
     
    elAshtar

    elAshtar

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    I asked a Sunni friend of mine why they don't commemorate Ashura, owing to the fact that Hussain was the prophet's grandson, no less. He said Hussain's trip to Kuffa was part of a power struggle to gain control of the fledging empire, and that the massacre happened due to his miscalculation and getting back-stabbed by the people of Kuffa, who had originally informed him they will rise up against Yazid upon his arrival. In other words, Sunnis view Hussain as someone who tried to gain power illegitimately but failed miserably, rather than someone who stood up against oppression and injustice.
    Yea ofcourse.. this is why he took his children and family with him. This is also why he fought an army of 30,000 with 72 strong. The funny or actually sad thing is that most sunnis have no problem in insulting the prophet's household but go outrageous when mentioning historical facts about some of the prophet companions. If you say that Abou Baker betrayed the prophet becusase of the lust for power, kain bye2ta3 rasak!
     
    Libnene Qu7

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    Yea ofcourse.. this is why he took his children and family with him. This is also why he fought an army of 30,000 with 72 strong. The funny or actually sad thing is that most sunnis have no problem in insulting the prophet's household but go outrageous when mentioning historical facts about some of the prophet companions. If you say that Abou Baker betrayed the prophet becusase of the lust for power, kain bye2ta3 rasak!
    That's exactly what I told him! I said that if his intentions were to start a war, he would have had a much larger army at his side. But he insisted that Hussain believed the large army would come from Kuffa, which obviously never materialized. I didn't go much further in this debate with him because the guy obviously has more knowledge than I do, but I have made it a point to study this part in history from unbiased sources soon.
     
    Stormie

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    مع احترمي الشديد للحسين وثورته وبطولته
    ولكن يا اخي مش قادر استوعب هذول العالم الي لسه بلطوموا على القصة من الف واكم من مية سنة
    يعني بفهم انه تحي الذكرى تتعلم الدروس من رفض الظلم والشجاعه والعزة والتضحية .... الخ
    بس من الف سنة بتلطم وبتصيح وبتشرح حالك بسيوف وجنازير ومش عارف شو اسمحلي اشكك بقدراتك العقلية
    مﻻحظة اي تعليق طائفي بدي ألعن ابو سنسفيل صاحبو على ابو طائفتو وبعدين بلوك مبين مش ناقصيني مرضى طائفين

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    elAshtar

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    مع احترمي الشديد للحسين وثورته وبطولته
    ولكن يا اخي مش قادر استوعب هذول العالم الي لسه بلطوموا على القصة من الف واكم من مية سنة
    يعني بفهم انه تحي الذكرى تتعلم الدروس من رفض الظلم والشجاعه والعزة والتضحية .... الخ
    بس من الف سنة بتلطم وبتصيح وبتشرح حالك بسيوف وجنازير ومش عارف شو اسمحلي اشكك بقدراتك العقلية
    مﻻحظة اي تعليق طائفي بدي ألعن ابو سنسفيل صاحبو على ابو طائفتو وبعدين بلوك مبين مش ناقصيني مرضى طائفين

    Jordanian Baathist Activist


    2amma ouset el sourakh wel buka2... fee Ye****** . shu 2elo ma3 sourmeyetna?! All what we have is from Ashuraa... as khoumeini once said. Where from you think HA fighters get their will to sacrifice?!
     
    LebReporter

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    هناك اعتقاد سائد بأن أصل لطم الصدور وضرب الرؤوس بالسيوف حزنا على الإمام الثالث للشيعة - لا سيما الإثنا عشريين - هو عادة مكتسبة من ما عُرف بالتشيع الصفوي، أو اختلاط الممارسات والطقوس الشيعية العربية بالعادات الفرس والأذر والهزارة وغيرهم من الوافدين لاحقا على التشيّع.
    للحقيقة، هذه نظرية مطروحة لكنها ضعيفة، النظرية الأقوى هي أن النواح واللطم وضرب الرؤوس هو عادة أصيلة في الرقعة الجغرافية التي نشأت فيها كربلاء سياسياً (العراق-سوريا-مصر).
    فمثلث "كور بابل" الذي يُعرف بكربلاء في العراق، كان المساحة الجغرافية التي احتضنت الاحتفالات البابلية حُزناً وحداداً على الإله تموز، كما احتضنت احتفالات النواح والبكاء على المسيح مع نشوء مملكة الحيرة هناك أيضاً.. وحين دخل الإسلام أصبحت "كربلاء" أيضاً الأرض التي احتضنت مأساة مقتل الإمام الحسين الذي أعاد نفخ الروح في العادات التي كانت تُمارس في العراق.
    إن المخطوطات التاريخية تشير بوضوح إلى أن الفينيقيين وصلاتهم الثقافية في بابل مارسوا لطم الصدور وضرب الرؤوس بالآلات الحادة في كل سنة، في ذكرى مقتل الإله تموز الشاب والفاجعة التي حلت بعشتار - أخته وزوجته في الخصوبة، كذلك استعار الفراعنة القصة في مأساة أوزيريس الذي قتله سِت ليستولي على العرش، وحزنت عليه وجمعت أشلاءه أخته إيزيس.. وكذلك كان الفراعنة يمارسون اللطم وضرب الرؤوس بالسيف حزناً.
    إن هذه العادات لا تنقرض، بل تنتقل مجتمعياً كما أي عادة مع التحولات الدينية والسياسية.. لازمت هذه العادات ممارسات المسيحيين المشارقة في بدايات نشوء دولهم، ثم انتقلت مع وقوع الفاجعة السياسية والانسانية المتمثلة باغتيال الحسين بن علي - ذو القدسية القبلية (بني هاشم) والدينية (ابن بنت النبي)، إلى طقوس الحزن الشيعي عليه سنوياً كما جرت العادة في كل الحضارات التي وُجدت في مثلث المأساة العراقية تاريخياً.
    لفاضل الربيعي كتاب ممتع في هذا الشأن يستشهد بمراجع ووثائق ومخطوطات، هو "المناحة العظيمة".

    (هذه النظرية - أو المعلومة، ليست في خانة الذم.. بل محاولة تفكيك لعادات تُمارس لا يحق لي الحكم عليها.. مع كامل احترامي للمناسبة بما تعنيه من بعد ديني وتاريخي)​
     
    Dalzi

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    مع احترمي الشديد للحسين وثورته وبطولته
    ولكن يا اخي مش قادر استوعب هذول العالم الي لسه بلطوموا على القصة من الف واكم من مية سنة
    يعني بفهم انه تحي الذكرى تتعلم الدروس من رفض الظلم والشجاعه والعزة والتضحية .... الخ
    بس من الف سنة بتلطم وبتصيح وبتشرح حالك بسيوف وجنازير ومش عارف شو اسمحلي اشكك بقدراتك العقلية
    مﻻحظة اي تعليق طائفي بدي ألعن ابو سنسفيل صاحبو على ابو طائفتو وبعدين بلوك مبين مش ناقصيني مرضى طائفين

    Jordanian Baathist Activist
    إنّ لقتل الحسين حرارة في قلوب المؤمنين لا تبرد أبدا

    لأبكين عليك بدل الدموع دما يا أمير القلوب يا حسين​
     
    Dalzi

    Dalzi

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    عظّم الله أجوركم باستشهاد إمامنا و حبيبنا سيّد شباب أهل الجنّة الحسين ع​

     
    Dalzi

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    I asked a Sunni friend of mine why they don't commemorate Ashura, owing to the fact that Hussain was the prophet's grandson, no less. He said Hussain's trip to Kuffa was part of a power struggle to gain control of the fledging empire, and that the massacre happened due to his miscalculation and getting back-stabbed by the people of Kuffa, who had originally informed him they will rise up against Yazid upon his arrival. In other words, Sunnis view Hussain as someone who tried to gain power illegitimately but failed miserably, rather than someone who stood up against oppression and injustice.
    Why do you bother discuss with these ignorant hypocrites? The mufti of KSA supports Yazeed and the slaughter of Mohammad's family. You still believe these sufyani pigs when they call themselves 'Muslim'? How can you he a Muslim and kill your Prophet's family?

    Tell him mabrouk 3leik abou bakr lbaghdadi. Kell 3omrkon zbele w betdallo zbele. The Arab head will always be beneath the boot as long as it chooses dogs over Ali and Hussein. Enjoy the smelly boot jarabs.
     
    Dalzi

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    الإمام الحسين في كربلاء: يا أمة السوء بئسما خلفتم محمداً في عترته ، أما إنكم لن تقتلوا بعدي عبداً من عباد الله الصالحين فتهابوا قتله ، بل يهون عليكم عند قتلكم إياي ، وأيم الله إني لأرجو أن يكرمني ربي بهوانكم ، ثم ينتقم منكم من حيث لا تشعرون
     
    Rafidi

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    مع احترمي الشديد للحسين وثورته وبطولته
    ولكن يا اخي مش قادر استوعب هذول العالم الي لسه بلطوموا على القصة من الف واكم من مية سنة
    يعني بفهم انه تحي الذكرى تتعلم الدروس من رفض الظلم والشجاعه والعزة والتضحية .... الخ
    بس من الف سنة بتلطم وبتصيح وبتشرح حالك بسيوف وجنازير ومش عارف شو اسمحلي اشكك بقدراتك العقلية
    مﻻحظة اي تعليق طائفي بدي ألعن ابو سنسفيل صاحبو على ابو طائفتو وبعدين بلوك مبين مش ناقصيني مرضى طائفين

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    there is need for there to be a rational explanation to give insight into the emotional aspect of Ashura.

    first of all, the reason Ashura became associated with symbols is because these symbols are used as means to spread the message of Imam Hussain (as), and revive his legacy and principles. reviving the message and sacrifice of Imam Hussain (as) means making a stand that the injustice done from day one at Saqifah Banu Saeda is still rejected, and therefore we remain Rafidhi!!! Imam Hussain (as) didn't only reject the tyranny, injustice, oppression and persecution and ungodliness of Yazeed, and stood for justice, freedom and sacrifice. Imam Hussain (as) also saw himself as better suited to be the leader and reclaim the caliphate based on the agreement of Imam Hassan (as) with Muawiya. the caliphate was passed from Imam Ali (as) to directly to Imam Hassan (as), and that is a portray by Imam Ali (as) of the message of Ghadeer, which the Saqifah trampled upon. if Imam Hussain (as) hadn't sacrificed in Karbala, Saqifah would have gone unchallenged, and the truth would have taken another hit. but Karbala exposes Saqifah, the injustice against the Prophet's household (which even to this day Sunnis downplay and shy away from) and very importantly, it stripped naked the tyrants and showed their barbarity. there are so many things/reasons that makes us reviving this event unique and important. we don't for example place as much emphasis on the martyrdom of Imam Ali (as). that was a tragic incident, but Karbala was a tragic EVENT (the culmination of injustice and the bold display of Arabian jahiliyyah in the name of the "caliph", meant to be a successor of Muhammad (sa), not a war criminal)!!! so as you can see we use the occasion to also preach and spread the message and love for the Ahlul-Bayt (as). the wearing of black, hitting of the chest, crying, lamentations etc. are all means to an end, which is to revive the legacy of the Imam (as). some Shias have taken it far, and introduced cultural practices that are extreme. in Pakistan for example, they walk on hot coal!!! in other places, they cut themselves, a practice similar what the Filipinos do on Easter reenacting crucifixion by literally crucifying themselves.

    these symbols however should be advantages to the message of Imam Hussain (as), and not disadvantage. if cutting ourselves and walking on coal, or inflicting self harm, turn people away from us and distort our image as followers of Imam Hussain (as), then those acts must be stopped, and better cultural displays used to achieve the end. Sayyid Khamanei for example has issued a fatwa forbidding tatbir (self flagellation). these symbols are very important because many people are not that educated to know about justice, freedom, and opposing tyranny. they associate better through emotional means. for example, even children associate with hitting of the chest.

    furthermore, aside from the religious aspect, there is a human aspect to these symbols. these symbols have made it possible for even non-muslims to recognize Ashura with them. they raise curiosity. and these symbols are a strong message to those tyrants, wherever they may be, and all those opposed to the message of standing against tyranny and standing with freedom, which Imam Hussain (as) personified. those opposed to Ashura see these symbols as a threat, and they feel it exposes their predecessors who were tyrants.

    and to prove my point, I have been using the word "Ashura". but Ashura has other meanings to other people (i.e. Sunnis generally). these symbols have made Ashura synonymous with displays of sadness and adamantly persisting in exposing the atrocities and crimes against humanity committed against an entire family in the tragedy of karbala. I hope these explanations help.
     
    Rafidi

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    Ashura: The Message of LOVE Written in Blood:

    if I may also add, the message of Ashura is one that intertwines love with loyalty. we are commanded in the Quran to love the Ahlel-Bayt (as). so who, which sane human being, would witness the day of Ashura on the 10th of Muharram, and not feel sad? how much more if we are Muslims commanded in the Qur'an to LOVE to Ahlel-bayt (as) as the only reward required from us to the Prophet (s)? so Ashura is a message of love. this love is translated into emotional scenes and displays. Ashura is the perfect example that ISLAM=LOVE and love for humanity. when you associate yourself with the suffering of Imam Hussain (as), you become human and you will sympathize with the oppressed whoever they may be and of whatever religion they are part, and you will stand against cruelty and inhumanity. most people don't care about sermons, rationality, logic and speeches or studies about the tragedy of Karbala. they just associate with the message of love for Imam Hussain (as) and display that love emotionally. Ashura is a renewal of the pledge to Imam Hussain (as), year in year out, who called in Karbala : "is there a helper to help us?" and our reply in every age and time is: Labbayka Ya Hussain!!! and there is no better way than LOVE to express for someone that you treasure.
     
    Rafidi

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    مع احترمي الشديد للحسين وثورته وبطولته

    ولكن يا اخي مش قادر استوعب هذول العالم الي لسه بلطوموا على القصة من الف واكم من مية سنة

    يعني بفهم انه تحي الذكرى تتعلم الدروس من رفض الظلم والشجاعه والعزة والتضحية .... الخ

    بس من الف سنة بتلطم وبتصيح وبتشرح حالك بسيوف وجنازير ومش عارف شو اسمحلي اشكك بقدراتك العقلية

    مﻻحظة اي تعليق طائفي بدي ألعن ابو سنسفيل صاحبو على ابو طائفتو وبعدين بلوك مبين مش ناقصيني مرضى طائفين



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