Assisted Dying - Should it be legalized?

[Isabella]

I think it is you who does not know the pope's stances

I do that's why I'm sure they're not in line with justleb's

 

[Isabella]

I think it is you who does not know the pope's stances

By the way just to clarify, I did not state what those views were in my previous post lol we can discuss this further in the Christianity thread if you want, however I think the pope's views on these subjects promotes a culture of acceptance and tolerance while not opposite to traditional church doctrine, ye3ne he's not saying gay marriage should be celebrated in churches lol but he did say the church should be open to homosexual individuals despite the fact he considers homosexual acts to be sinful, he has also embraced a transgender woman but stated he does not believe gender theory should be taught in schools. I think his views on these matters are more in line with your or dark angel's views than justleb's condemn everything and everyone equally approach.

 

[kmarthe]

Hiroshi Ouchi was a technician who worked at nuclear facility.
He was 35 years old on September 30, 1999 when a disaster occurred that would expose him to the highest amount any human has ever been exposed to in documented history.

His exposure to radiation was so severe that his skin started falling off his body. His chromosomes were destroyed and his white blood cell count plummeted to near-zero.
Yet he was kept alive for 83 days against his will in unimaginable pain, despite his wishes to end his suffering.
I will refrain from posting the pictures here because they are very gruesome, but you can easily find them online.

According to @Indie, @kmarthe, @Mighty Goat, and all people who oppose assisted suicide, this man should be denied an end to his terrible suffering because "human life is sacred".

It's sad that people who pretend to be motivated by compassion are unknowingly prolonging people's suffering.

If you had the decision to end the life of this man, would you have done it with the same 7amess that you had when writing this post??

 

[GrumpForTrump]

If you had the decision to end the life of this man, would you have done it with the same 7amess that you had when writing this post??

If it was his wish to end his life, then I would not hesitate to pull the plug.

My grandfather went through a great amount of pain due to cancer. He died a few months later. Although I was sad to see him leave, I felt some relief that he was finally free from his suffering.

 

[kmarthe]

If it was his wish to end his life, then I would not hesitate to pull the plug.

My grandfather went through a great amount of pain due to cancer. He died a few months later. Although I was sad to see him leave, I felt some relief that he was finally free from his suffering.

Assuming that you know his wish to die, would you have felt comfortable ending his life with your own hands?

I am NOT talking about how you feel when someone in pain dies without your intervention, big difference!

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Assuming that you know his wish to die, would you have felt comfortable ending his life with your own hands?

I am NOT talking about how you feel when someone in pain dies without your intervention, big difference!

Of course it's never easy ending someone's life and it should only pursued as a last resort, but would I feel guilty for helping someone end their suffering? You can rest assured I wouldn't.

But that's not how things work by the way. Patient wanting to end their life are prescribed a lethal dose of pills that they must administer themselves.

 

[Indie]

I do that's why I'm sure they're not in line with justleb's

You're very wrong

You shouldn't trust the media spins so much. Go directly to the source.

 

[kmarthe]

Of course it's never easy ending someone's life and it should only pursued as a last resort, but would I feel guilty for helping someone end their suffering? You can rest assured I wouldn't.

But that's not how things work by the way. Patient wanting to end their life are prescribed a lethal dose of pills that they must administer themselves.

Good for you if you feel no guilt in that case

P.S. kiling is killing, regardless if you are using pills, guns or knives...

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Good for you if you feel no guilt in that case

P.S. kiling is killing, regardless if you are using pills, guns or knives...

Christians are disgusting and selfish. They pretend to be compassionate when they are in fact driven by nothing but their religious dogma.

 

[Indie]

By the way just to clarify, I did not state what those views were in my previous post lol we can discuss this further in the Christianity thread if you want, however I think the pope's views on these subjects promotes a culture of acceptance and tolerance while not opposite to traditional church doctrine, ye3ne he's not saying gay marriage should be celebrated in churches lol but he did say the church should be open to homosexual individuals despite the fact he considers homosexual acts to be sinful, he has also embraced a transgender woman but stated he does not believe gender theory should be taught in schools. I think his views on these matters are more in line with your or dark angel's views than justleb's condemn everything and everyone equally approach.

This has always been the Church's stance: "love the sinner, not the sin."

So there is nothing revolutionary in Pope Francis' approach, as you seem to imply.

 

[kmarthe]

Christians are disgusting and selfish.

Heyda ra2yak If you feel no guilt and you are happy with what you are doing chou baddak bi gheirak?

Go heal your Christianophobia, that would be a good start

 

[Indie]

If it was his wish to end his life, then I would not hesitate to pull the plug.

My grandfather went through a great amount of pain due to cancer. He died a few months later. Although I was sad to see him leave, I felt some relief that he was finally free from his suffering.

Or was it relief that you no longer had to see him suffer?

 

[Indie]

Christians are disgusting and selfish.

If you keep saying that, I might have to review my opinion of you

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Heyda ra2yak If you feel no guilt and you are happy with what you are doing chou baddak bi gheirak?

Go heal your Christianophobia, that would be a good start

It's not Christianophobia to hate on a religion that's impeding medical progress and prolonging human suffering. It's common sense.
I'm not the one imposing my views on others. All I'm saying is that terminally-ill patients should be given the option to end their life.
It's religious folks who are lobbying against assisted dying, because it doesn't fit their religious beliefs.

 

[Isabella]

This has always been the Church's stance: "love the sinner, not the sin."

So there is nothing revolutionary in Pope Francis' approach, as you seem to imply.

That was your conclusion from my post not what I implied what I stated was that justleb's stances were not in line with those of the pope.

 

[kmarthe]

It's not Christianophobia to hate on a religion that's impeding medical progress and prolonging human suffering. It's common sense.
I'm not the one imposing my views on others. All I'm saying is that terminally-ill patients should be given the option to end their life.
It's religious folks who are lobbying against assisted dying, because it doesn't fit their religious beliefs.

Ya 3ammeh, where is the lobbying? I said if you are comfortable with assisted dying then good for you... I didn't mention religious things, but you did and now you are mad at religions lol

When I am faced with a situation like this then we would call people like yourself to pull the plug, mnih heyk?

 

[Indie]

That was your conclusion from my post not what I implied what I stated was that justleb's stances were not in line with those of the pope.

I'm referring to this...

But yes I hope he does get a chance to make the church reflect a better image of Christianity, one that promotes love and tolerance above all else.

 

[Isabella]

I'm referring to this...

Yes how exactly is stating that I hope he gets the church to reflect a better image of Christianity the same thing as me saying his opinions are revolutionary? Christianity has always been built on love and tolerance, it's the church that veers off course from time to time

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Ya 3ammeh, where is the lobbying? I said if you are comfortable with assisted dying then good for you... I didn't mention religious things, but you did and now you are mad at religions lol

When I am faced with a situation like this then we would call people like yourself to pull the plug, mnih heyk?

You should have ended your sentence with "Mni777777777?" à la Hariri. What a wasted opportunity. You're such a meme noob.

 

[Indie]

Yes how exactly is stating that I hope he gets the church to reflect a better image of Christianity the same thing as me saying his opinions are revolutionary? Christianity has always been built on love and tolerance, it's the church that veers off course from time to time

The message of the Church hasn't changed between pope Francis and his predecessors.