Barrel Bombing: How is it done ? Why ? Is it useful ? Do you support it ?

Do you support Barrel Bombing ?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Depending on who's throwing them

  • Depending in which circumstance they're used


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Jo

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#1
So lately, a lot of "barrel bombing" posts were spreading all around the forum. Some members discussed how useful it was and if it was a good strategy.

I have done a little research and lately stumbled upon some good articles and reports. I will try to explain a bit here.

Introduction

First of all, Barrel Bombs (known also as Terror Bombs) are different than Unguided Bombs. (explained more below)
They are unguided munitions that cannot be aimed, and lack the ability to be precisely employed.

Barrel Bombs
comes from the initial use of unguided improvised munitions in the Sudanese civil war when Northern Sudanese An-24 and An-26 transport aircraft rolled metal barrels filled with explosives and capped with a detonator out the rear cargo doors of their airplanes (attachment 1). These initial bombs were literally oil barrels or other similar receptacles and are where the term "barrel bomb" comes from.
Also note that at the outset of their use in Syria, they were in fact actual barrels (attachments 2,3,4).

How are they manufactured ?

A barrel bomb is a metal tube or barrel full of explosives with a detonator or fuse is attached to it, varying in type and size.
Their weight is between 100Kgs to 500Kgs. The more a barrel bomb weight, the more chances it got to punch through the roof of a building thus causing more damage.

How are they used ?

Barrel bombs cannot be attached to an aircraft, usually they are pushed outside the heli transporting them. (Syrian Air Force uses Mi-8 and Mi-17)
So, a heli will approach the designated area flying as high as 3000 meter or 10,000 feet (to avoid AA gun and ManPads range), moving at around 300Km/s and at the right moment, a soldier will push the barrel out of heli's cargo. Sometimes, if the heli wants to drop many barrels over the same area, the pilot will hover or slow down giving the chance for the other soldier to finish pushing all the barrels.

It is worth mentioning that by following the above method, a heli has zero control over its target. A heli cannot target a specific vehicle/tank or even house on the ground. Usually the target of a barrel bombing campaign is a big area.

Why do the regime use it ?

The regime uses Barrel Bombing for various reasons. I will try to list the most important here:

1. The most probable reason is the lack of access by the Syrian government to more effective guided munitions that could be more effectively employed against individual enemy combatants and their supporting arms and logistics. According to Oryx blog, the SyAAF Gazelle helicopters still maintain a limited arsenal of French Hot Missiles to be employed against enemy armor in extreme circumstances of need.
But generally Syria did not have guided air to ground munitions before the war and when the war started, despite trying a lot Syria has fail to acquire a significant amount of them.
Another reason for this is the loss of some aircrafts when doing lower altitude bombing necessary to gain accuracy with unguided bombs (or gravity bombs) which are different than barrel bombs.
Gravity bombs are "semi-guided" bombs that are aimed by being linked to the pilots Heads Up Display giving an indication of where to point the plane and at what point to release the bomb for them to hit a given target. Generally gravity bombs will hit next or close by a selected target (vehicle/tank). However, as mentioned earlier, gravity bombs requires the pilot to dive in order to drop it (attachment 5), putting himself and his plane at risk. Whereas barrel bomb can be dropped from high altitude but with little to no accuracy.

2. Another probable reason is to attempt to drive civilians out of rebel territory. This makes the army's job much easier when there are no civilians involved, whether the strategy is to implement a siege or to militarily combat the rebels.

3. Barrel bombing can also be used to punish the civilians who have aided the rebels in any way.

4. Finally, the psychological impact. Lowering your enemy's morale can have a tremendous impact on the battlefield. We have seen numerous "truces" in Syria which would not have been possible without lowering the morale of the rebels to the point where they no longer have the will to fight.

Is it useful ?

Barrel bombing is not useful in terms of targeting enemies tanks or equipments as it has zero accuracy. However, it can lower your enemies' moral and their supporters. It can also drive civilians out of the area, either by killing them or by scaring them.
The only way to target an enemy like the Syrian Opposition, is with smart/guided ammunition and heavy intelligence on the ground.
Usually the opposition is dispersed in civilian areas and they will only convene when there is a meeting or when they are getting ready for an offensive.
Such technology is usually available with the west (thus a bit hard for Syria to get) who used it extensively in Iraq (to assassinate insurgent leaders or to target a secret meeting).

How does a Barrel Bomb look like ?

You can see here in this video starting at 2m08s barrel bombs being pushed from an Mi-8. Notice how they fall aimlessly from the heli to their "target" on the ground. The guy recording this follows the bombs all the way from the heli till they hit the ground, listen to the sound they make.


Also the same video but starting at 5m09s shows another Mi-8 dropping another set of barrel bombs.


Do you support Barrel Bombing ?

No I dont, I think it is a brutal thing to do. What do you think ?

N.B.: This thread is not to diss the regime, opposition also shells random residential areas, be it by Hell Cannons or ISIS homemade rockets.

* Attachments *

Attachment 1: (An-24/An-26 cargo door)


Attachment 2,3,4: (Old barrel bombs)


Attachment 5: (Syrian Jet doing a dive attack)
 
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  • Dark Angel

    Legendary Member
    #2
    against, especially on civilians neighborhoods.

    but i am quite convinced that the regime is still not using the barrels efficiently, can you imagine the impact of 10 choppers throwing down 20 or 30 of these barrels at once at some front line?

    they can also bluff, imagine if they throw 20 empty barrels instead of 20 hot ones, and the gangsters see them slowly falling towards their posts. they'll be miles away by the time the barrels hit the ground.
     

    Hameed

    Well-Known Member
    #3
    you use it to kill people the same as any other accurate american missile ..... to kill more Muslims.

    I support it against the enemies of our Arab world in a form of retaliation
     

    Jo

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    Master Penguin
    #4
    against, especially on civilians neighborhoods.

    but i am quite convinced that the regime is still not using the barrels efficiently, can you imagine the impact of 10 choppers throwing down 20 or 30 of these barrels at once at some front line?

    they can also bluff, imagine if they throw 20 empty barrels instead of 20 hot ones, and the gangsters see them slowly falling towards their posts. they'll be miles away by the time the barrels hit the ground.
    you use it to kill people the same as any other accurate american missile ..... to kill more Muslims.

    I support it against the enemies of our Arab world in a form of retaliation
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    Placebo

    Legendary Member
    Staff member
    #5
    I find it strange that the SyAF does not have proper guided munitions, and has only a small amount of hot missiles left.
    They should have more russian air-to-surface missiles, or anti-tank ones like the Vikhr.
    Since the beginning of the war, we've rarely seen a proper strike, it's either a dive-bomb or a barrel one. I even saw a video of a Mig-29 performing dive runs !
     

    Abou Sandal

    Legendary Member
    Orange Room Supporter
    #6
    Cheap, high destructive power and easily thrown from above.

    In urban areas, where whole neighborhoods have been deserted from civilian and infested by rats, there is no problem in using those. They destroy a lot of their infrastructure.

    But at the end of the day, I think that it's more a matter of means than a matter of will. So I think that judging whether one is with or against, can better be done on a case by case assessment, and not in block.
     

    HannaTheCrusader

    Legendary Member
    Orange Room Supporter
    #10
    They are bombs at the end
    It's a war

    Yiu wnat to win a war, you use what you can or what you get away with

    The only issue the barrel came up, Becuae syria is part of the axis of evil

    If it was the other way round, those barrels, will find 1000 Analyst justifying their just ahd HUMANE use

    Wlek these salafis if they catch us, they murder us

    Barrel away dear bachar ......it's do or die ......if the takfiris wins, none of your peole or supporters will survuve

    Use chemical, biological if you can get away with

    Use agent Orange like ghe usa did , or phosphoric ones, or spent uranium shells .....use cluster bomb, shou israel is better. ( well israel has the world opinion behind to they can use them hehehehe )

    I am for barrel being dropped on any area that rebels , they should be dropped on supply routes , on towns that supprt these animals ,ersal Salafi camps and infested neighbors with takfiri can be a good start

    Do or die.

    Barrel away bro
     

    Chanklish

    Active Member
    #12
    bomb those filthy terrorists to smithereens ... they should start throwing containers not just barrels ..
    these filthy creatures had barely any food or money yet they are reproducing like rats ..they deserve few barrels .
     

    Jo

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    Master Penguin
    #15
    did the lebanese army use the barrel bombs in Nahr el Bared?
    In more detailed info:

    The LAF modified the Huey to (UH-1H) to carry bombs and rockets.

    . The rockets were SNEB 68 mm pods, taken from the Hawker Hunter.
    . The bombs used were Mk-82, Mk-83 and other engineered/developed bombs by the LAF. (250 kg LAF-GS-ER2 and the 400 kg LAF-GS-ER3).

    Here is a picture of a Mk-82 bomb:


    So in short, special mounting pads engineered by the Lebanese army were attached to each UH-1 Huey on the sides and belly to carry the bombs and rockets.

    Pictures of the modified UH-1H:

     

    modesty

    Well-Known Member
    #18
    هذه البراميل هي مثل غيرها من الأسلحة العشوائية فهي لا تفرق عن السيارات المفخخة التي توضع في الأحياء السكنية او مدافع الشيطان كما يسمونها التي يستعملها المسلحين او النظام، المشكلة ان المسلحين يتواجدون ويتداخلون بالأحياء السكنية ولا يمكن تفريقهم بسهولة عن المواطنين وعلى الحريصين على الضحايا المدنية ان يدعوا الى ابعاد السكان المدنيين عن ساحات القتال بدل توجيه الاتهامات لان الجميع مسؤول عن وقوع الضحايا والمنادين بمسؤولية النظام وحده نحيلهم على إحصاءات وكالة الاستخبارات المركزية التي تفيد بأن القتلى في جهة النظام هم اكثر من غيرهم وهذا يفسر بان المناطق المسيطر عليها من قبل النظام هي مكتظة بالسكان المدنيين اكثر من غيرها وبان المعارضة هي ايضاً تستعمل الأسلحة العشوائية حتى اكثر من الجيش النظامي الذي عادة ما تكون إصاباته ادق
     

    Jo

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    Master Penguin
    #19
    Amazing footage of an SAA chopper dropping Barrel Bombs.

    For the ones interested in this, check the video and see from where they are dropping the bombs. One can barely see houses from their altitude.

    They don't know what they are hitting.

     

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