can the hatred directed towards Gebran Bassil be rationalized?

lebnan_lilkel

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So where did Bassil go wrong?
Portraying it as an achievement/trait is not true.
No one is anyone s man. Everyone has his own interests and uses foreign help without shame.

The change starts at home when we cripple those domestic hands acting on behalf of foreign governments by not voting for them rather rising against them and sending them to jail. The problem is our sectarian mentality that overrides our national interest. We bring outsiders to protect our religious tribes (naively thinking those foreigners care about our religion) and by doing so we destroy our country.
Voting for who exactly ? Who gets to go to Jail ? How many have we sent to jail ? .. At the moment people are still considered based on religion and area. Unless the book s at school change, people will still be learning how christian and druze decimated each other over a marble game. Shouldn't they read about civil rights and bribery and how it will kill their future ?
the rich beasts are running the country and people need their business.. Fels el armalit does'nt exist.

I don’t blame foreign governments acting in their own best interest. I blame Lebanon for not doing the same let alone welcoming the rape of its people thought local traitors and warlords. The Lebanese attitude of worshipping foreigners got to change. Without knowing we became the laughing stock of the whole world including the Arabs living in the desert.
Such an embarrassment to say the least…
Great conclusion. FPM Like LF Like every other Lebanese group, put pressure on foreign governments to intervene in Lebanon. The dispero who mostly cant point to Lebanon on the map , trust relatives to use their vote in internal elections and will stick to traditional clowns more than locals they cant see or hear.
 
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    The more I read the more I realize I need to apologize to Jumblatt, Geagea, Berri, Hariri, Saniora and many others for accusing them of being thieves and warlords sucking up to foreign embassies and defrauding the country. It turns out Bassil the one.:banghead: Killon Ya3ni Killon was not fair to them...
    So let's keep entraining ourselves with Bassil and let the billions of dollars be siphoned outside of the country under Salameh's supervision so we can enjoy a joyful quality of life and BTW, why in the hell Bassil is insisting on forensic audit? How insensitive of him daring to expose the pure crowd I was thinking they were the thieves.
     
    The_FPMer

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    People who are trying to paint Bassil as the outsider trying to pierce the unified corruption front of M14 and M8 are delusional and about 10 years too late. He's been one the main deal-makers of this country since at least 2016.
     
    Dark Angel

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    The more I read the more I realize I need to apologize to Jumblatt, Geagea, Berri, Hariri, Saniora and many others for accusing them of being thieves and warlords sucking up to foreign embassies and defrauding the country. It turns out Bassil the one.:banghead: Killon Ya3ni Killon was not fair to them...
    So let's keep entraining ourselves with Bassil and let the billions of dollars be siphoned outside of the country under Salameh's supervision so we can enjoy a joyful quality of life and BTW, why in the hell Bassil is insisting on forensic audit? How insensitive of him daring to expose the pure crowd I was thinking they were the thieves.
    this is not the only realization unfortunately. the more i read the more i realize how difficult, or even impossible, it is to implement a positive change in this country. the members we are reading (at least some of them) are not people men wara el laffe, these are university graduates, probably some of them with higher degrees even; yet both their intellect and their ethics are just as impaired as their analytical skills.

    could there really be any hope of a better tomorrow for a such a people? this is the single most important theme that replays in the cumulative information we now possess about the history of civilization, the rise and fall of nations. this is without taking into consideration the countless many that await "mawsam el intikhebet" to vote for the highest bidder, usually less than 50$; and without pointing out the chaos that 2 million refugees are adding to the scene. so the answer to the big question becomes clear, can these people be relied on in times of need to make the right choices? and the answer is obviously not.

    what is left for people when they are depleted intellectually and ethically and at the same time are incapable of the slightest critical thinking? though they are the byproduct of horrible parenting, an even worse educational system and a ruined culture, they are the ones who will be living in the reality they are creating.

    i am honestly both perplexed and dismayed towards the reality of what was supposed the be the enlightened middle class who usually provide the pillars for society, their situation is borderline hopeless and their political debacle is simply a symptom of something much more malignant.
     
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    Resistancefrom89

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    From Day 1 when GMA appointed him as a head of FPM, we all knew in our heart he was the wrong person to succeed to GMA...but we had no option but to give him a chance because of our respect to GMA...
    A few later, our first instinct was unfortunately confirmed to be true...
    Gebran Bassil was GMA biggest mistake....too bad it ended up this way...
     
    dyyyy

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    People who are trying to paint Bassil as the outsider trying to pierce the unified corruption front of M14 and M8 are delusional and about 10 years too late. He's been one the main deal-makers of this country since at least 2016.
    Exactly, this illusion that Bassil is "targeted" is just a desperate attempt to make it seem as if he's any different from anyone else.
    Reminds me of the episode done by Riad Kobaissi about Badri Daher, and every FPMer considered that he's targeting FPM even though it was several months after episodes on Hariri, Berri and everyone else.
     
    Dark Angel

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    From Day 1 when GMA appointed him as a head of FPM, we all knew in our heart he was the wrong person to succeed to GMA...but we had no option but to give him a chance because of our respect to GMA...
    A few later, our first instinct was unfortunately confirmed to be true...
    Gebran Bassil was GMA biggest mistake....too bad it ended up this way...
    years of being subjected to this will make you repeat such claims without being able to substantiate any of them
    if after more than 10 years we still cannot convince people that GB does not own a private jet, then you can rest assured the problem is not GB.
     
    The_FPMer

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    what does this have to do with anything? this is simply an evidence that the syrian civil war and the refugees fatally impacted our already zombie like economy, for several reasons.
    2011: 0.9%
    2012: 2.5%
    2013: 3.8%
    2014: 2.5%
     
    lebnan_lilkel

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    Its good to have friends that fly you on private jets.. it boosts our image. These are perks .. shou khasoo if the rich guy is hmar...he doesnt expect anything in return.. maheik.. where do you meet these guys..

    Shou hal sedfi he loved the Generals daughter . It was love from the Generals first sight.

    Bashir use to drive a cheap Honda on his own. There s charisma for you.
     
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    Exactly, this illusion that Bassil is "targeted" is just a desperate attempt to make it seem as if he's any different from anyone else.
    Reminds me of the episode done by Riad Kobaissi about Badri Daher, and every FPMer considered that he's targeting FPM even though it was several months after episodes on Hariri, Berri and everyone else.
    Did he do one on Tahssen el Khayyat? fassed?
     
    Dark Angel

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    Exactly, this illusion that Bassil is "targeted" is just a desperate attempt to make it seem as if he's any different from anyone else.
    Reminds me of the episode done by Riad Kobaissi about Badri Daher, and every FPMer considered that he's targeting FPM even though it was several months after episodes on Hariri, Berri and everyone else.
    every normal person with more than two neurons has realized by now that riad qubaissi, and behind him tahseen khayyat and al-jadid has a weird obsession and a questionable fixation with badri daher. if you can not notice that, it means that you simply don't want to, and that tells a lot about you as a person.




    only five media links can be posted in a single post on the forum, here are some links to some other videos i quickly collected on youtube, chance are there exists dozens more.
    ملف الجمارك اللبنانية مع رياض قبيسي
    بدري ضاهر يحارب الفساد بتعيين فاسد في لجنة مكافحة الفساد في الجمارك - آدم شمس الدين
    "الجديد" تكشف بالتفاصيل عن راتب مدير عام الجمارك بدري ضاهر! – آدم شمس الدين
    للنشر - قضية رياض قبيسي مع الجمارك
    فقرة جمركية مع رياض قبيسي بعنوان: "الزفاف الأحمر"
    في الحلقة الاخيرة : شو صار بقضية الجمارك؟! - رياض قبيسي
    مدير عام الجمارك يخالف القانون ويرفض الخضوع للتفتيش! - آدم شمس الدين
    مقابلة مع رياض قبيسي خلال نشرة الأخبار


    more importantly this seems to be the real reason why tahseen khayyat is so abnormally focused on badri daher:

    علم "ليبانون ديبايت" ان الحملة التي شنتها قناة الجديد لصاحبها تحسين خياط، عبر تقرير بث في احدى نشرات أخبارها للإعلامي آدم شمس الدين تم التعرّض فيه لمدير عام الجمارك بدري ضاهر ذات خلفيات أبعد من مجرّد سكوب اعلامي.

    اذ كشفت بعض المستندات ان ضاهر رفض تجديد رخصة ادخال مؤقت ليخت يملكه خياط بدافع التهرب من الرسوم الاضافية والجمرك، بعد تجديد صلاحيته مرتين في السابق. الأمر الذي دفع بخياط مهاجمة مدير عام الجمارك مستخدما سلاحه الاعلامي.

    سارع ضاهر وتقدّم بواسطة وكيله المحامي جورج الخوري، بشكوى أمام النيابة العامة الاستئنافية في بيروت ضد تلفزيون الجديد والاعلامي آدم شمس الدين وأحيلت الشكوى الى مكتب مكافحة جرائم المعلوماتية لإجراء التحقيق في الموضوع.

    تابع مفوض الحكومة لدى المحكمة العسكرية القاضي بيتر جرمانوس التحقيقات في هذه القضية. وأكدت مصادر لـ"ليبانون ديبايت" ان التحقيقات مستمرة مع احد الضباط الأمنيين في المطار بتهمة تسريب الأفلام من كاميرات المطار الى قناة الجديد ليتم عرضهم. وحامت الشكوك حول ضابط على خلافات سابقة مع ضاهر.

    ويذكر ان الفيديو الذي عرضته قناة الجديد في تقريرها يظهر ضاهر يتجاوز نقاط التفتيش ويتوجه مباشرة الى الطائرة مستخدما المسالك الجانبية، متجنبا الانتظار في الطوابير.

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    Dark Angel

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    Its good to have friends that fly you on private jets.. it boosts our image. These are perks .. shou khasoo if the rich guy is hmar...he doesnt expect anything in return.. maheik.. where do you meet these guys..

    Shou hal sedfi he loved the Generals daughter . It was love from the Generals first sight.

    Bashir use to drive a cheap Honda on his own. There s charisma for you.
    more emotional and unsubstantiated crap.
    many people put their financial support at the service of FPM, including normal and middle class people, without being fancy rich. nothing wrong with that, the party survives on these donations.
     
    lebnan_lilkel

    lebnan_lilkel

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    more emotional and unsubstantiated crap.
    many people put their financial support at the service of FPM, including normal and middle class people, without being fancy rich. nothing wrong with that, the party survives on these donations.
    Unfortunately "educated" people see private jet perks as suspect. Anywhere in the world , accepting a bottle of whiskey as gift can send a president out the door. Fi karami.
    Uneducated people don't get it. He is lucky.

    Also when you marry someone for business , you tend to flirt to compensate. Any surprises? You don't need a degree. Viola.
     
    The_FPMer

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    more emotional and unsubstantiated crap.
    many people put their financial support at the service of FPM, including normal and middle class people, without being fancy rich. nothing wrong with that, the party survives on these donations.
    That's bullshit because TV stations cost hundreds of millions of dollars on a yearly basis and the advertising income in Lebanon is minute.

    This is from "Dr. Nabil Tawil, a cardiac surgeon uniquely placed in Lebanese politics as, simultaneously, a confidant of Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) leader Michel Aoun"

    Cable: 07BEIRUT109_a

    GEBRAN BASSIL -- A CORRUPTING INFLUENCE --------------------------------------- 7. (S) The General does not know every financial decision that has been taken on his behalf, Tawil averred. However his son-in-law, Gebran Bassil, is in the political conflict "for the money" Zakka claimed, noting Bassil's luxurious lifestyle. He shared with us, as an example, that Bassil's armored Audi car was a gift from opposition Marada Party leader Suleiman Franjieh,

    ORANGE TV MONEY LAUNDERING --------------------------

    By his own account, Bassil masterminded the FPM's launch of its Orange TV share offering in October, and he then boasted to Polchief at the time that the public response was overwhelming. Even before the offering, a well-resourced advertising campaign had papered Beirut with orange billboards to drum up buyers for the stock's low-priced shares. There are individual buyers among FPM's rank-and-file, Tawil admitted. But the largest shareholder in Orange TV is Shia MP Abbas Hashem, a member of Aoun's parliamentary bloc known to be Hizballah's agent within the bloc. Tawil and Zakka were skeptical that Orange TV's fundraising success could be attributed to individual investors alone.


    In another cable, Kanaan admitted that the share offering of OTV was a flop.
     
    dyyyy

    dyyyy

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    every normal person with more than two neurons has realized by now that riad qubaissi, and behind him tahseen khayyat and al-jadid has a weird obsession and a questionable fixation with badri daher. if you can not notice that, it means that you simply don't want to, and that tells a lot about you as a person.




    only five media links can be posted in a single post on the forum, here are some links to some other videos i quickly collected on youtube, chance are there exists dozens more.
    ملف الجمارك اللبنانية مع رياض قبيسي
    بدري ضاهر يحارب الفساد بتعيين فاسد في لجنة مكافحة الفساد في الجمارك - آدم شمس الدين
    "الجديد" تكشف بالتفاصيل عن راتب مدير عام الجمارك بدري ضاهر! – آدم شمس الدين
    للنشر - قضية رياض قبيسي مع الجمارك
    فقرة جمركية مع رياض قبيسي بعنوان: "الزفاف الأحمر"
    في الحلقة الاخيرة : شو صار بقضية الجمارك؟! - رياض قبيسي
    مدير عام الجمارك يخالف القانون ويرفض الخضوع للتفتيش! - آدم شمس الدين
    مقابلة مع رياض قبيسي خلال نشرة الأخبار


    more importantly this seems to be the real reason why tahseen khayyat is so abnormally focused on badri daher:

    علم "ليبانون ديبايت" ان الحملة التي شنتها قناة الجديد لصاحبها تحسين خياط، عبر تقرير بث في احدى نشرات أخبارها للإعلامي آدم شمس الدين تم التعرّض فيه لمدير عام الجمارك بدري ضاهر ذات خلفيات أبعد من مجرّد سكوب اعلامي.

    اذ كشفت بعض المستندات ان ضاهر رفض تجديد رخصة ادخال مؤقت ليخت يملكه خياط بدافع التهرب من الرسوم الاضافية والجمرك، بعد تجديد صلاحيته مرتين في السابق. الأمر الذي دفع بخياط مهاجمة مدير عام الجمارك مستخدما سلاحه الاعلامي.

    سارع ضاهر وتقدّم بواسطة وكيله المحامي جورج الخوري، بشكوى أمام النيابة العامة الاستئنافية في بيروت ضد تلفزيون الجديد والاعلامي آدم شمس الدين وأحيلت الشكوى الى مكتب مكافحة جرائم المعلوماتية لإجراء التحقيق في الموضوع.

    تابع مفوض الحكومة لدى المحكمة العسكرية القاضي بيتر جرمانوس التحقيقات في هذه القضية. وأكدت مصادر لـ"ليبانون ديبايت" ان التحقيقات مستمرة مع احد الضباط الأمنيين في المطار بتهمة تسريب الأفلام من كاميرات المطار الى قناة الجديد ليتم عرضهم. وحامت الشكوك حول ضابط على خلافات سابقة مع ضاهر.

    ويذكر ان الفيديو الذي عرضته قناة الجديد في تقريرها يظهر ضاهر يتجاوز نقاط التفتيش ويتوجه مباشرة الى الطائرة مستخدما المسالك الجانبية، متجنبا الانتظار في الطوابير.
    And these are links from Riad Kobaissi about other politicians

    رياض قبيسي يكشف ملفات فساد مرتبطة بالوزير محمد الصفدي

    من هم أبناء السياسيين الذين قادوا سيارات بلا جمرك؟ - رياض قبيسي

    موضوع فقرة "يسقط حكم الفاسد" عن الـ بارك ميتر ...

    BBCHI Episode 24 رياض قبيسي يكشف عقاب صقر وراء نزول سعد الحريري ساحة الشهداء ليتحمل المسؤولية


    In fact, if you just put "Riad Kobaissi" on Youtube, you'll that out of the top 12 results, only 1 is about badri daher.

    (In fact it's well know that Khayyat's arch enemy is Nabih Berri)

    Did he do one on Tahssen el Khayyat? fassed?
    He's free to do a report about anyone he wants, nothing shocking about not doing a report about his own boss. You think Tahssen Khayyat is corrupt, ask why the government isn't arresting him
     
    lebnan_lilkel

    lebnan_lilkel

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    Bassil's armored Audi car was a gift from opposition Marada Party leader Suleiman Franjieh,
    Is anyone surprised .. They are like all lebanese politicians... Ma fi 3dou deyim.. soubhan allah..
     
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