can the hatred directed towards Gebran Bassil be rationalized?

Dark Angel

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أعلنت "مؤسسة كهرباء لبنان" أنه، عند حوالي الساعة 10:20 من مساء الاثنين الواقع فيه 27/7/2020، طرأ عطل على قاطع (Disjoncteur) المجموعة الثالثة في معمل الجية الحراري، مما أدى الى انفصال خطي جية – بصاليم رقم 1 و2 150 ك.ف.، الأمر الذي أدى بدوره الى انفصال المجموعتين البخاريتين في كل من معملي الزهراني ودير عمار عن الشبكة، ثم تلتهما سائر مجموعات الإنتاج بسبب عدم ثبات الشبكة نتيجة تراجع الإنتاج الى حدوده الدنيا. بناء عليه، انقطعت التغذية بالتيار الكهربائي في جميع المناطق اللبنانية بما فيها بيروت الإدارية، وحالياً تواصل الفرق الفنية جهودها لإعادة المجموعات تباعا الى الخدمة، وتاليا إعادة التغذية الكهربائية تدريجيا الى مختلف المناطق.

وفي هذا السياق، أشارت مؤسسة كهرباء لبنان في بيانها إلى "أن الطلب على الطاقة يتجاوز حالياً الـ3400 ميغاوات، يقابله تراجع في الطاقة الإنتاجية لأسباب خارجة عن إرادة المؤسسة تعود الى النقص في المحروقات لزوم معامل الإنتاج، الأمر الذي يتسبب بعدم ثبات الشبكة الكهربائية مما يرفع من احتمال تكرار عملية انفصال مجموعات الإنتاج"

What a failure in planning a robust network...in the Jungle in Africa they managed to build a functional sytem. And please don t tell me Gebran was not allowed to work. It is obvious he was busy staffing the administration with his bodies and dealing and wealing with Nader.
what is obvious is that neither you nor the other people have a clue about electricity grids and how they work. when power plants are off or when they are operating at lower capacity it will take the grid out, and it will sometimes take days to put the plants back on the grid. this neither means that the grid is faulty nor that it was not implemented correctly.

the reality of the matter is that we are having irregularities in fuel deliveries due to (and in that order):
1- the sonatrach and ZR judiciary case of corruption
2- the difficulty to provide the funds in USD to make the payments.

but you simply want to attack bassil for anything, even if it is irrational, or unjustified.

the reason why in "africa" or anywhere else they managed to build a functional system as you have stated, is because they have maintained the minimum level of rationality and objectivity required to support what is right and oppose what is wrong, and do not sacrifice the shepherd to the wolves in the process. obviously no one can say the same thing about you, you even have no clue why we have an electricity outage, but you insist on accusing the one party that has actually done some work on the subject. bravo, akid badda tsha3she3 ariban.
 
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  • Dark Angel

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    I think this picture explains a lot why Bassil attracts so much animosity .... Would Joumblatt or Berri or any one else make this PR mistake?
    The man has a talent in attracting hate, he likes it maybe, just like Trump adores controversy.

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    this is not a photo of el mekhtara palace, nor is it qasr me3rab, nor is the msayleh palaces, nor is it beit el wassat, nor is it el 3amara, nor the bnash3e palace. many have circulated this picture claiming that this is bassil's home. it is not. this is the home bassil helped established in his capacity as foreign minister to the youth of Lebanese origin who want to come back and visit home country, so that they can find good lodging for affordable prices. it is a testimony to working around the clock. additionally, these are eco-friendly diode lights, and more importantly their bills are paid regularly to EDL.

    it would have been much better had people been attacking bassil for something more substantial.

    the sonatrach mafia suspends deliveries, and people attack bassil for it
    the generators mafia switch their generators off, and people attack bassil for it.

    i promise you my friend that very soon, people in beirut will attack him for water shortages also, even those who oppose the basri dam.

    personally, we have never had a single minute of power outage between the EDL power and the local generator. we do not suffer the mafia monopoly over the diesel oil that most Lebanese are being subjected to, particularly in remote places, and if we do, we certainly do not attack the wrong people for it, we know exactly who to go after.

    maybe this is the inevitable outcome of the advent in social media.. but it is still a real shame that this is what some people are commenting on instead of discussing the essence of the interview, regardless of whether they support bassil or not. we really need to push the people to take these issues to the next level.
     
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    Resistancefrom89

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    what is obvious is that neither you nor the other people have a clue about electricity grids and how they work. when power plants are off or when they are operating at lower capacity it will take the grid out, and it will sometimes take days to put the plants back on the grid. this neither means that the grid is faulty nor that it was not implemented correctly.

    the reality of the matter is that we are having irregularities in fuel deliveries due to (and in that order):
    1- the sonatrach and ZR judiciary case of corruption
    2- the difficulty to provide the funds in USD to make the payments.

    but you simply want to attack bassil for anything, even if it is irrational, or unjustified.

    the reason why in "africa" or anywhere else they managed to build a functional system as you have stated, is because they have maintained the minimum level of rationality and objectivity required to support what is right and oppose what is wrong, and do not sacrifice the shepherd to the wolves in the process. obviously no one can say the same thing about you, you even have no clue why we have an electricity outage, but you insist on accusing the one party that has actually done some work on the subject. bravo, akid badda tsha3she3 ariban.
    if Bassil was a CEO of any European company or US company and with the results of a sector for which he was the "CEO" for the last 10 years, he would have been fired and replaced!!!
    No excuses here!!! He had a Minisitry for 10 years, and we have been told the Minister In Taef is a King of his ministery, exactly like a CEO. Results speaks!!
    The CEO can not come to the board, and say competition did not let me do my plan!!! CEO can not come to the board and say the market was not favorable to my plan!!!
    If Results are Lame CEO will be replaced. Bassil results are super super mega mega mega Lame. No excuses
     
    Dark Angel

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    if Bassil was a CEO of any European company or US company and with the results of a sector for which he was the "CEO" for the last 10 years, he would have been fired and replaced!!!
    No excuses here!!! He had a Minisitry for 10 years, and we have been told the Minister In Taef is a King of his ministery, exactly like a CEO. Results speaks!!
    The CEO can not come to the board, and say competition did not let me do my plan!!! CEO can not come to the board and say the market was not favorable to my plan!!!
    If Results are Lame CEO will be replaced. Bassil results are super super mega mega mega Lame. No excuses
    bassil is not the CEO of a european company,
    Lebanon is not comparable to a european company
    and you definitely are not a european.

    it is precisely because of this idiotic attitude that you will NEVER, let me spell it out, N E V E R, be able to enjoy a good living standard again in Lebanon. instead of supporting the only people working and pushing for achievements and pushing for the power plants and pushing for the dams, you want to hold them accountable and fight them every step of the way.

    excuses? who is presenting you with excuses? baddak kahraba support the people pushing for it whoever they are, walla sitteen 3omrak ma ykoun 3indak kahraba w mayy.

    3alam mesh tabi3iyi.
     
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    dyyyy

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    what is obvious is that neither you nor the other people have a clue about electricity grids and how they work. when power plants are off or when they are operating at lower capacity it will take the grid out, and it will sometimes take days to put the plants back on the grid. this neither means that the grid is faulty nor that it was not implemented correctly.

    the reality of the matter is that we are having irregularities in fuel deliveries due to (and in that order):
    1- the sonatrach and ZR judiciary case of corruption
    2- the difficulty to provide the funds in USD to make the payments.
    Then what prevented the Minister of energy clearly state these difficulties with a well defined timeline, instead of simply promising in "a week", "2 days" ... for the last 2 month.

    Instead of statements about the fuel "evaporating" and we have a "problem".
     
    HalaMadrid

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    Then what prevented the Minister of energy clearly state these difficulties with a well defined timeline, instead of simply promising in "a week", "2 days" ... for the last 2 month.

    Instead of statements about the fuel "evaporating" and we have a "problem".
    Let's say we all agree (and I do), that was the right thing to do. What's falls on after that? What's the scenario in which that changes something?

    Pretty sure he would've been just accused of 1) being populist and 2) blaming others for his failures.
     
    Iron Maiden

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    Then what prevented the Minister of energy clearly state these difficulties with a well defined timeline, instead of simply promising in "a week", "2 days" ... for the last 2 month.

    Instead of statements about the fuel "evaporating" and we have a "problem".
    it should be clear that the state does not control a big chunk of its employees whose loyalties rest at the feet of the za3im that has appointed them there. in every state institution we have seen mafiosi take control of the ground operations since the internet fight days with abdelkhara medre chu ken esmo.
    the fuel mafia scandal has been so underwhelming, nobody cares wat it means, nobody cares wat it entails, nobody cares that the state cannot control anything of essence, all people care about is posting a picture of bassil’s interview and high horse and pat themselves while calling him az3ar harame watever so they can feel their righteousness.
    ya zalame go follow the fuel issue, go see who the people that ave been arrested/fled are linked to, why is this dossier being followed mych more closely in algeria than here? wat is the thought pattern that govern the lebanese people i swear to @SeaAb i have no idea, kello nakad w harta2a w moudara 3am b kebo hake..

    zahha2to rabna
     
    cedarheart

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    this is not a photo of el mekhtara palace, nor is it qasr me3rab, nor is the msayleh palaces, nor is it beit el wassat, nor is it el 3amara, nor the bnash3e palace. many have circulated this picture claiming that this is bassil's home. it is not. this is the home bassil helped established in his capacity as foreign minister to the youth of Lebanese origin who want to come back and visit home country, so that they can find good lodging for affordable prices. it is a testimony to working around the clock. additionally, these are eco-friendly diode lights, and more importantly their bills are paid regularly to EDL.
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    Don't you think it's a PR mistake to hold the interview on the grounds of a property he doesn't own? giving viewers the opportunity to think that was his house? what happened to modesty? why not have the interview in the TV studio like many others, or at his own house, or in a space made available for MPs (parliament offices), or offices of FPM
     
    The_FPMer

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    Don't you think it's a PR mistake to hold the interview on the grounds of a property he doesn't own? giving viewers the opportunity to think that was his house? what happened to modesty? why not have the interview in the TV studio like many others, or at his own house, or in a space made available for MPs (parliament offices), or offices of FPM
    Telling GB to be more modest and FPM not to make suicidal PR mistakes is like screaming at a pig to stop wallowing in mud, it ain't gon' happen son!
     
    HalaMadrid

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    Don't you think it's a PR mistake to hold the interview on the grounds of a property he doesn't own? giving viewers the opportunity to think that was his house? what happened to modesty? why not have the interview in the TV studio like many others, or at his own house, or in a space made available for MPs (parliament offices), or offices of FPM
    A more adept politician could've probably turned the location (even with all those lights) into an opportunity during the interview. He's not and their PR is incompetent and falls face forward into being berated for cartoonish mistakes.
     
    CitizenOfTheRepublic

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    A more adept politician could've probably turned the location (even with all those lights) into an opportunity during the interview. He's not and their PR is incompetent and falls face forward into being berated for cartoonish mistakes.
    They’re the best at messing up! Never had they dictated the discourse, not once I can remember!!! It’s always reactionary!!!!
     
    HalaMadrid

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    They’re the best at messing up! Never had they dictated the discourse, not once I can remember!!! It’s always reactionary!!!!
    Literally, always. For the most anticipated things that you could see coming from a mile away. It's an infuriating train wreck to watch. I don't think fixing the PR problems would have changed anyone on the fence's mind and a lot of the disingenuous attacks would be much of the same. But like, not being bothered to have a semblance of a competent communications arm for people who actually wanted you to succeed is levels of dumb.
     
    lebnan_lilkel

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    what is obvious is that neither you nor the other people have a clue about electricity grids and how they work. when power plants are off or when they are operating at lower capacity it will take the grid out, and it will sometimes take days to put the plants back on the grid. this neither means that the grid is faulty nor that it was not implemented correctly.

    the reality of the matter is that we are having irregularities in fuel deliveries due to (and in that order):
    1- the sonatrach and ZR judiciary case of corruption
    2- the difficulty to provide the funds in USD to make the payments.

    but you simply want to attack bassil for anything, even if it is irrational, or unjustified.

    the reason why in "africa" or anywhere else they managed to build a functional system as you have stated, is because they have maintained the minimum level of rationality and objectivity required to support what is right and oppose what is wrong, and do not sacrifice the shepherd to the wolves in the process. obviously no one can say the same thing about you, you even have no clue why we have an electricity outage, but you insist on accusing the one party that has actually done some work on the subject. bravo, akid badda tsha3she3 ariban.
    Your description of electrical plants is laughable. Stick to propaganda that's a little more believable.
    When you appoint a general manager , make sure they manage and don't spend their time in the make up room and then blame everyone else.

    For the record , this is Gebrans House in Batroun.. In 2016 ..

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    It ain't much different to his interview now.
     
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    Dark Angel

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    Don't you think it's a PR mistake to hold the interview on the grounds of a property he doesn't own? giving viewers the opportunity to think that was his house? what happened to modesty? why not have the interview in the TV studio like many others, or at his own house, or in a space made available for MPs (parliament offices), or offices of FPM
    when people are intent on criticizing they can turn anything into a negative. i think 2030 did not make an exception in bassil's case, they met with ja3ja3 in me3rab. nothing wrong with an open air setup, bassil's house is small and there is a covid outbreak. still a minor issue i would say.
     
    dyyyy

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    Don't you think it's a PR mistake to hold the interview on the grounds of a property he doesn't own? giving viewers the opportunity to think that was his house? what happened to modesty? why not have the interview in the TV studio like many others, or at his own house, or in a space made available for MPs (parliament offices), or offices of FPM
    Man there's no "PR mistake", not everything is going perfectly and people chose to focus on the location.
    Bassil took the side of Ibrahim Kenaan, didn't even mention the biggest problem about people not being able to touch their savings. He made a joke of himself, of democracy and the whole concept of accountability saying that he doesn't have the majority (PS: with his logic, Berri, Hariri and Jumblat are not accountable for anything because none of them ever had a majority by himself)

    The joke about how many lights are in the interview is just that, a joke, nothing worth mentioning. Let him do his job and i don't care if he does the interview from a castle wearing a throne
     
    dyyyy

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    it should be clear that the state does not control a big chunk of its employees whose loyalties rest at the feet of the za3im that has appointed them there. in every state institution we have seen mafiosi take control of the ground operations since the internet fight days with abdelkhara medre chu ken esmo.
    the fuel mafia scandal has been so underwhelming, nobody cares wat it means, nobody cares wat it entails, nobody cares that the state cannot control anything of essence, all people care about is posting a picture of bassil’s interview and high horse and pat themselves while calling him az3ar harame watever so they can feel their righteousness.
    ya zalame go follow the fuel issue, go see who the people that ave been arrested/fled are linked to, why is this dossier being followed mych more closely in algeria than here? wat is the thought pattern that govern the lebanese people i swear to @SeaAb i have no idea, kello nakad w harta2a w moudara 3am b kebo hake..

    zahha2to rabna
    man inno mindal mrab7in 7alna jmile kil 7ayetna kirmel Sonatrac. I'm just asking a minister to do his job, it's not too much to ask. I'm not asking for 24 h electricity tomorrow, just not use the free pass card inno things are impossible if we do something we should thank god ans if we don't this is the situation in lebanon we can't do anything about it.
     
    My Moria Moon

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    it should be clear that the state does not control a big chunk of its employees whose loyalties rest at the feet of the za3im that has appointed them there. in every state institution we have seen mafiosi take control of the ground operations since the internet fight days with abdelkhara medre chu ken esmo.
    the fuel mafia scandal has been so underwhelming, nobody cares wat it means, nobody cares wat it entails, nobody cares that the state cannot control anything of essence, all people care about is posting a picture of bassil’s interview and high horse and pat themselves while calling him az3ar harame watever so they can feel their righteousness.
    ya zalame go follow the fuel issue, go see who the people that ave been arrested/fled are linked to, why is this dossier being followed mych more closely in algeria than here? wat is the thought pattern that govern the lebanese people i swear to @SeaAb i have no idea, kello nakad w harta2a w moudara 3am b kebo hake..

    zahha2to rabna
    3azizi Iron, I'll tell you why the reasons you give, to explain Bassil's failure in many peoples eyes, are not screwing right through the heads of the listeners, bel roughm enno they make sense.

    Rule number one: get used to normal people becoming instantly weird at times. Reason and logic are to no avail, try something else if you insist on wanting to reach them.
    Rule number two: in our human client-server relationships, it's often about how you, the server, are emotionally perceived. And the client is always right, even when infected, infested, hijacked and dumb.

    Take for example the case of the gipsy beggar I meet every day. She's kind of ageless and looks sad, I call her Sad Liza. I am sure you met her cousins in your own neighborhood.
    She sits on the same spot of the street where I live. Ever since she watched me the first time, eagerly digging in my pocket for a dollar to give her, she started to smile at me. A faint smile at first, but which grew bigger for each one-dollar meeting, to the point where I one day could catch a golden glimpse of her wisdom teeth.

    While most passers-by seem to not even notice her existence, it didn't take long before I began to feel an obligation to give her that dollar, and at the same time guilt for not having one on me at the time of our almost daily rendez-vous.
    One day, after the obligation-guilt crisis in my head - and no dollars in my pocket - had reached its peak, I decided to stop feeding the woman dollars. No more. Not One.
    Guess what happened?

    Long story short: while I'm certain the poor woman never bothered expressing her complaint about the hundreds others who she meets daily but who don't even bother noticing her, she started to focus on me, giving me that demanding stare, rather more angry than sad. I, who gave her but now stopped giving her, deserve now her silent, yet much outspoken, complaint. Kamen shwei and I suspect she might lose it totally one day, w yekhtor 3a bela tnott w teshlakhne shi kaff ma3 shi la3neh ghajariyeh, ditching all social rules including the respect for the size of my biceps.

    Interesting, no? Obviously to the beggar, my "client", I was that little hope and expectation, serving her one small daily contribution. I failed her expectation and she decided to give a sh!t about the complicated metaphysics that could lie behind me not carrying ca$h (forgot my wallet at home.. didn't get my monthly salary.. the cash machine is broken.. bought myself an ice cream for the last dollar I had..). Clearly even less about the quantum effects of others who never care about her. Khirmit 3layyeh, only me, the one who had raised her hopes but failed to keep delivering.

    This is not to liken them to beggars, but some people, our citizen clients, have developed a similar syndrome towards Bassil and FPM. To these people, he who promised nothing nor showed the least interest, he's an evident failure who they never counted on to begin with. Their frustration and anger go to those who raised hope, and failed their promise. Rule nr 1.
    These people feel emotionally betrayed. And you don't "reason" away someone's "feelings". Rule nr 2.
     
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    Dark Angel

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    Your description of electrical plants is laughable. Stick to propaganda that's a little more believable.
    When you appoint a general manager , make sure they manage and don't spend their time in the make up room and then blame everyone else.

    For the record , this is Gebrans House in Batroun.. In 2016 ..

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    It ain't much different to his interview now.
    not a single thing you have said deserves a reply.

    just so others won't be mislead:

    Restoring power after a wide-area outage can be difficult, as power stations need to be brought back on-line. Normally, this is done with the help of power from the rest of the grid. In the total absence of grid power, a so-called black start needs to be performed to bootstrap the power grid into operation. The means of doing so will depend greatly on local circumstances and operational policies, but typically transmission utilities will establish localized 'power islands' which are then progressively coupled together. To maintain supply frequencies within tolerable limits during this process, demand must be reconnected at the same pace that generation is restored, requiring close coordination between power stations, transmission and distribution organizations. (source)​
     
    My Moria Moon

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    Then what prevented the Minister of energy clearly state these difficulties with a well defined timeline, instead of simply promising in "a week", "2 days" ... for the last 2 month.

    Instead of statements about the fuel "evaporating" and we have a "problem".
    I totally agree. Whoever is in charge needs to speak out, loud with open mouth, about all the aspects of the issue. Someone's got to shake it out and put all cards on the tables. Start an open media war against all the involved and watch how eager they'd ultimately rush to help solve it when the discussions get public. The legion of honestly working people who milk pure 🐄 , if any exists, needs to stop *****ing around in the bushes.
     
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