can the hatred directed towards Gebran Bassil be rationalized?

Lebnaouneh

Lebnaouneh

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not to kick a dead horse any further

but the only thing Bassil successfully managed to pull of so far is destroy FPM and Aounists while himself growing stronger

even if he is 100% clean and didnt do any fishy dealings (which i personally believe he very most likely did), his 'strategy' really didnt serve in the long run anyone

not fpm, not aoun, not his allies, not his enemies, not the presidency, not the country, not the population

at the very least, in the most optimistic of cases, he is a failure if not corrupt

the same type of failure fpmers used to say about useless christian parties from the past and the failure that is saad hariri

PS: hiring fpmers left and right in the name of christians in the government a la nabih berri does not constitute a success story

ba3den what is up with this magical apathy he has towards everyone else? it's 100% like geagea/berri/jumblat

this is not where i imagined syria liberated lebanon would be 15 years after 2005

but at least his alliance with Hisbullah is safe and secure..
Yes just like the only thing Aoun succeeded in achieving in 1990 is the destruction of Beirut
 
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    lebnan_lilkel

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    who do you think destroyed Lebanon but the Lebanese people themselves?
    Lool. Yasser Arafat should be happy with your conclusion.

    Fouad Chehab didn't appoint any of his relatives in power positions and refused to make a distinction between sects. He died poor with less than $1000 in the bank. Is that what you meant by similar to Basil ?
     
    Weezy

    Weezy

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    The hatred is rational. Even Joseph Abu Fadel is disappointed from Bassil.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Lool. Yasser Arafat should be happy with your conclusion.

    Fouad Chehab didn't appoint any of his relatives in power positions and refused to make a distinction between sects. He died poor with less than $1000 in the bank. Is that what you meant by similar to Basil ?
    how did yasser arafet come into Lebanon if was not for the Lebanese themselves who invited him in and fought side by side with him? if you did not learn at least this much from the destruction of Lebanon, it is not a surprise you are still behaving the way you do. what do you think awaits you at the end of this path ya shatter? milk and honey or doom and gloom? bravo, keep it up.
     
    Weezy

    Weezy

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    • the president has the least power in our system in comparison to the prime minister and the parliament speaker.
    • how is bassil ruling when he cannot get a single project to pass through without fighting for it for years?
    Please stop it with the weak president argument. If the president is really useless then why did you bombard the Lebanese with the "Strong President" rhetoric for years?

    FPM had 10 ministers alone in Hariri's government. Today FPM & HA have the three presidencies and the government. And don't insult everyone's intelligence by even attempting to disassociate Bassil from the current government. You can have a chat with Joseph Abu Fadel about that if you'd like. So what's your excuse here?

    Michael Aoun's term is the worst Lebanon has ever seen and it's a fact. If he is not to be blamed for corruption, he is to be blamed for fully aligning Lebanon with an axis that is in a full blown war with the US, France, UK, KSA, Turkey and UAE etc.. In doing so, he proved that he either doesn't know where Lebanon's best interests are or that he's an HA lackey in debt for the presidency.
     
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    how did yasser arafet come into Lebanon if was not for the Lebanese themselves who invited him in and fought side by side with him? if you did not learn at least this much from the destruction of Lebanon, it is not a surprise you are still behaving the way you do. what do you think awaits you at the end of this path ya shatter? milk and honey or doom and gloom? bravo, keep it up.
    The Lebanese offered them refuge. It was humanitarian. The land they predominantly occupied was wa2af . Christian and Muslims tried to help them. For your info they helped the jews resettle in the south when they lost some of the gang wars to the Palestinians prior to 1948.
    This shattara is making you blind to fundmental facts including the Cairo accord that ended Chehab and made the feudals win. A huge mistake.
    Arafat was an arrogant pig who is burning in hell. The Palestinians were never friends and we are closer to the Jews than the Palestinians even though morally we had a humanitarian obligation to help these ungrateful Arabs..

    Only Hussein and Assad treated the Palestinians as they should have. Mass graves. That is not me speaking, I'm a Christian who turns the other cheek .
     
    lebnan_lilkel

    lebnan_lilkel

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    Please stop it with the weak president argument. If the president is really useless then why did you bombard the Lebanese with the "Strong President" rhetoric for years?

    FPM had 10 ministers alone in Hariri's government. Today FPM & HA have the three presidencies and the government. And don't insult everyone's intelligence by even attempting to disassociate Bassil from the current government. You can have a chat with Joseph Abu Fadel about that if you'd like. So what's your excuse here?

    Michael Aoun's term is the worst Lebanon has ever seen and it's a fact. If he is not to be blamed for corruption, he is to be blamed for fully aligning Lebanon with an axis that is in a full blown war with the US, France, UK, KSA, Turkey and UAE etc.. In doing so, he proved that he either doesn't know where Lebanon's best interests are or that he's an HA lackey in debt for the presidency.
    Weez baby , you forgot another fundamental fact, that the US listened to hariri and the murderer jumbo and fought FPM after March 14 won. They made a loss out of wipeout win. Hariri is corrupt and we are discussing how to resurrect Lebanon not bury it further by letting him back.
     
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    @Dark Angel I'm telling you. You opened a can of nagging worms with this thread of yours. You should have kept them all inside the can sobbing on each other.:lol::lol::lol:
     
    Weezy

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    Weez baby , you forgot another fundamental fact, that the US listened to hariri and the murderer jumbo and fought FPM after March 14 won. They made a loss out of wipeout win. Hariri is corrupt and we are discussing how to resurrect Lebanon not bury it further by letting him back.
    I'm not asking for Hariri back, you completely missed my point.

    Actually people are saying Bahaa will enter the political scene with a strong Turkish backing. I am sure you won't have a problem with that since you're allied with a party with a strong foreign support as well.
     
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    If British people were not naggers and did not nag and complain to remove Chamberlain British would have lost the second world war.
    We the people are the one who made the success that made GMA who he was and we the people can equally bring him down, so be careful what you wish for.
    Yes. Nagging is good not to mention it’s easy. Now if we don’t get good results it’s all you fault because you didn’t nag enough.

    And by the way, you must be a fun guy to be around. I envy your friends and family.:cool:
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    there are steps needed to be taken to prepare a site prior to building the power plants, in particular upgrading the grid network, distribution and transformation stations, etc.. it was a five years plan that was supposed to be completed in 2015.

    however every single step of that plan was an uphill battle, the easiest part was the mansourieh high voltage power lines, it took 8 years for that section to be complete, the political parties in the area turned it into a complete war.

    nothing can be achieved under this mentality. look at bisri dam today. all that hype will disappear and the technical subject will no longer be heard in the media when jumblat hariri and ja3ja3 approve, they will then probably move the fight to the contract section.
    Was the 660m$ justified? How much kw will deir 3mar plant generate?
     
    dyyyy

    dyyyy

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    Can the praise directed towards Gebran Bassil be rationalized?

    Since this is a thread where you post we post our own hypothesis and respond to it.
    Let's ask the question from the other way.

    Since FPM became from the ruling majority (Or since Bassil became president of the party) How many achievements of FPM are actual real achievements ?

    As in people's life in Lebanon became better thanks to this achievement

    The only one I recall is forcing the generators to use meters, maybe there are also a couple of minor things i don't recall.

    All I see is a myriad of praising based on :
    - Hypothetical achievements of (IF they let us build plants, IF Berri wasn't, IF Berri didn't, IF people understood us, IF they weren't following....)
    - The promise of "fighting from the inside" that will materialize nobody knows when
    - The illusion of a hidden fight between Bassil and Berri
    - Big flashy decisions (that we forget when they don't materialize)


    Using this technique, I can understand why people follow Berri, Hariri, Geagea.....it's the easiest thing to do, anything wrong that happens is not your fault, if nothing good happens, no need to do anything, just write some analysis on your media platforms and people will cheer.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Can the praise directed towards Gebran Bassil be rationalized?

    Since this is a thread where you post we post our own hypothesis and respond to it.
    Let's ask the question from the other way.

    Since FPM became from the ruling majority (Or since Bassil became president of the party) How many achievements of FPM are actual real achievements ?

    As in people's life in Lebanon became better thanks to this achievement

    The only one I recall is forcing the generators to use meters, maybe there are also a couple of minor things i don't recall.

    All I see is a myriad of praising based on :
    - Hypothetical achievements of (IF they let us build plants, IF Berri wasn't, IF Berri didn't, IF people understood us, IF they weren't following....)
    - The promise of "fighting from the inside" that will materialize nobody knows when
    - The illusion of a hidden fight between Bassil and Berri
    - Big flashy decisions (that we forget when they don't materialize)


    Using this technique, I can understand why people follow Berri, Hariri, Geagea.....it's the easiest thing to do, anything wrong that happens is not your fault, if nothing good happens, no need to do anything, just write some analysis on your media platforms and people will cheer.
    if you see bassil worshipers around, you can ask them. luckily most worshipers are out by now, as i have pointed out earlier, they went from being blind followers on one side, to becoming blind haters on the other. all in all i think this is a gain for FPM, though the best scenario would have been to restore their sight, not an easy task though.
     
    lebnan_lilkel

    lebnan_lilkel

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    Once walking past Saydit (سيدة) Hospital Antilias , a mentally challenged guy on the fence called me , psst psst , .. I was curious, he looked stressed so I asked whats wrong. Shou fi ? he said come come.. I walked across a little and he whispered .. kelloun hown mjenin.
    The moral of the story is , being sane or blind is a matter of opinion .

    If Gebran couldn't build a power station , he at least could have appointed a GM that could've cleaned the mess, killed few birds, and stopped the internal corruption, subsidies, employee excess and all the wasted studies. Nothing changed. Taking holidays to watch football matches is a luxury for a leader of the largest block and acting leader of the largest Party in a poor country like lebanon. He should release his stress and travel again or use the army officers to carry some of his shopping bags.. Then they ask , shou badkoun ?

    We just want normal people who speak with a normal tone to not fight but put their head down and bums up and start ticking boxes.
     
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