Can we Trust Hezbollah?

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  • Lebanese-Nationalist

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    Didn't Khomeini get rid of the leftists and communists that helped in the revolt against the Shah?

    Why would you expect Hezbollah to treat anyone any differently? After all, according to their own boasting, they are the natural extension of the Islamic Revolution in Lebanon.

    Islamic revolutions usually don't end up being very pleasant for non-Muslims...
     
    Abou Sandal

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    Maybe this is your male ego hurting as you feel inferior by a woman putting you in your place. So poor you, then escape borrowing some empty concepts from Freud to give yourself the position of the male that passed his oedipal stage of infantile sexual development and is now situated in his male centrist position of emptiness emphasized by recognition and protection of his penis.
    Wow wow...Obviously I hit a nerve...
     
    CitizenOfTheRepublic

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    [...]So are you saying that religious scholar who are specialist in the field of economy and finances are not capable of finding solutions for these problems?
    I am saying the person who came up with this theory is certainly not a specialist in the field of economy. According to none other than him, he got it from a divine revelation not from a scientific approach and empirical analysis.
    You are either totally ignorant regarding the global financial system or you just don't give a shit about how it works!
    If only you knew, loooool!
    Any ordinary person in his/her full sense whether they are believers or not they will see the problem in this cruel financial system which is not stable nor sustainable!
    I am sure you used ordinary as a euphemism for "totally ignorant regarding the global financial system" :)
    And here you are again putting forward completely unfounded statements.
    I'm sure you are one of those who would realize it only when the days comes and you cant even take out your money from your bank account maybe you should ask the Greek about it they went through some part of it!
    Indeed, irresponsible spending and cooking books in the absence of interest-backed loans would have yielded something other than bankruptcy looooooooool!
    Basing a economy on gambling, uncertainly, debts, inflation, interest and so on is unscientific!
    But basing it on the supposedly divine revelation of a 7th century Arabian merchant, now that has science written all over it.
    But what the point telling you all this you don't give a F about it instead lets make it personal about me!
    It's nothing personal, I actually find that you are a nice guy on the personal level. On the social level, you exhibit the same symptoms as so many others who went through similar experience.
    People here seems to be alright with me I never saw it as a problem but of course not as blending and becoming exactly them!
    I am who I am and I'll never become Swedish in the sense how Swedes are Swedes because this is not who I am and will never be!

    According to you we have to become like them and if we don't then we have an issue which is seriously a very close minded thinking!
    We come from different backgrounds influenced by different cultures let it be Western or Eastern culture so how the F can we not be different?
    With all that how can we not see things differently? This is not cultural shock at all we are talking about a place I have lived most of my life in so I'm very familiar with that culture and I recognize it very well specially when lots of the people I know are Swedes or Westerners!
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    You went through a cultural shock, everyone who migrates to a new setting experiences it at varying degrees no matter how open minded one is so you are certainly no exception. Your reaction to it is actually visible in this very paragraph you wrote. You are re-asserting your identity, or I should perhaps say your new post-emigration identity, the one you formed as a reaction. As part of your new identity was all the dogma that someone handed over to you, which is very similar to those who went through similar experiences Sayyid Qutb being a well known example.
    What is also quite telling is that nowhere have I said or mentioned anything about you needing to become like Swedes. I said you did not blend in, you extrapolated by yourself.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Care to carry your discussion on economics in Islam somewhere else, since you are out of place in here. This thread is about Hezbollah in Lebanon. If you care to give a thought on this topic, this is fine. Otherwise you may discuss economics in Islam in a private message with @Noborders . Since you are interrupting the flow of discussion here as your are crashing in so out of the discussed topic.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Didn't Khomeini get rid of the leftists and communists that helped in the revolt against the Shah?

    Why would you expect Hezbollah to treat anyone any differently? After all, according to their own boasting, they are the natural extension of the Islamic Revolution in Lebanon.

    Islamic revolutions usually don't end up being very pleasant for non-Muslims...
    and Muslims. Iranians, who were Muslims and secular escaped from Iran after the Revolution to the United States and Canada. An Islamic Revolution, law, or state, would not be pleasant to to both non Muslims and secular of all faiths.
     
    Muki

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    Maybe this is your male ego hurting as you feel inferior by a woman putting you in your place. So poor you, then escape borrowing some empty concepts from Freud to give yourself the position of the male that passed his oedipal stage of infantile sexual development and is now situated in his male centrist position of emptiness emphasized by recognition and protection of his penis.
    Case closed :D.
     
    R

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    Care to carry your discussion on economics in Islam somewhere else, since you are out of place in here. This thread is about Hezbollah in Lebanon. If you care to give a thought on this topic, this is fine. Otherwise you may discuss economics in Islam in a private message with @Noborders . Since you are interrupting the flow of discussion here as your are crashing in so out of the discussed topic.
    No, we cannot trust them.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    looking at passages from Imam Khomeini speeches in which he constitutes Wilayat al Faqih, and the pan-Islamic order he aims to establish globally I was attracted to this passage. Pay attention that the ideology of "takfir" is also preached by Khomeini in his description of other regimes that do not conform with the "Islamic" Shari'a. This takfir according to Khomeini is the character of the Arab governed Dynasties of the Umayyad and the Abbasides which he rejects as systems of "kufar".

    Can one say in Syria there are some takfiries at both sides of the battle.
    How does Hezbollah view the system of government in Lebanon. Is it a system of "kufr" are we Kufar according to Iranian theology of takfir. Should we reject all ideas that rotate around takfir, or only Sunni takfir is not permissible?

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    By their very nature, in fact, law and social institutions require the existence of an executor. It has always and everywhere been the case that legislation alone has little benefit: legislation by itself cannot assure the well-being of man. After the establishment of legislation, an executive power must come into being, a power that implements the laws and the verdicts given by the courts, thus allowing people to benefit from the laws and the just sentences the courts deliver. Islam has therefore established an executive power in the same way that it has brought laws into being. The person who holds this executive power is known as the vali amr.25 (p.41)


    (...)
    After the death of the Most Noble Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), the obstinate enemies of the faith, the Umayyads 38 (God’s curses be upon them) did not permit the Islamic state to attain stability with the rule of ‘Au ibn Abi Talib (upon whom be peace). They did not allow a form of government to exist that was pleasing to God, Exalted and Almighty, and to his Most Noble Messenger. They transformed the entire basis of government, and their policies were, for the most part, contradictory to Islam. The form of government of the Umayyads and the Abbasids, 39 and the political and administrative policies they pursued, were anti-Islamic. The form of government was thoroughly perverted by being transformed into a monarchy, like those of the


    kings of Iran, the emperors of Rome, and the pharoahs of Egypt. For the most part, this non-Islamic form of government has persisted to the present day, as we can see.

    Both law and reason require that we not permit governments to retain this non-Islamic or anti-Islamic character. The proofs are clear. First, the existence of a non-Islamic political order necessarily results in the non-implementation of the Islamic political order. Then, all non-Islamic systems of government are the systems of kufr,40 since the ruler in each case is an instance of taghut,41 and it is our duty to remove from the life of Muslim society all traces of kufr and destroy them. It is also our duty to create a favorable social environment for the education of believing and virtuous individuals, an environment that is in total contradiction with that produced by the rule of taghut and illegitimate power. The social environment created by taghut and shirk42 invariably brings about corruption such as you can now observe in Iran, the corruption termed “corruption on earth.”43 This corruption must be swept away, and its instigators punished for their deeds. It is the same corruption that the Pharaoh generated in Egypt with his policies, so that the Qur’an says of him, “Truly he was among the corruptors” (28:4). A believing, pious, just individual cannot possibly exist in a socio-political environment of this nature and still maintain his faith and righteous conduct. He is faced with two choices: either he commits acts that amount to kufr and contradict righteousness, or in order not to commit such acts and not to submit to the orders and commands of the taghut, the just individual opposes him and struggles against him in order to destroy the environment of corruption. We have in reality, then, no choice but to destroy those systems of government that are corrupt in themselves and also entail the corruption of others, and to overthrow all treacherous, corrupt, oppressive, and criminal regimes. (p.47-48)
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    Lebanese-Nationalist

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    and Muslims. Iranians, who were Muslims and secular escaped from Iran after the Revolution to the United States and Canada. An Islamic Revolution, law, or state, would not be pleasant to to both non Muslims and secular of all faiths.
    True, but Muslims can just keep their head down low and integrate more easily into the "glorious" Islamic theocracy.

    A secular Mohamed can lie his way through life and make it but Georges and Cohen don't have it that easy.
     
    JB81

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    Lebanon issue is greater than HA. History taught us that nothing is guaranteed. If we were to look a 100 years ago, you would've think that Lebanon was a forever for the Maronites.

    For many Lebanese, HA is more than allegiance to Iran and Islamic State of Lebanon. For mean time, HA is well integrate within the Shia community, a community that represents almost 1 of 3 Lebanese. HA is the Shiite of Lebanon, more or less. Lebanon cannot afford being hostile to one of its main sect components. What Lebanese can do is built TRUST instead of walls among them; and make sure that Lebanon remains a country of plurality among different religions.


    I see your thread is more of separating the Lebanese rather than building bridges, understanding and trust. Not sure what you gain from creating rift between Lebanese. With a region of majority Sunni, not sure how Shiites can be a danger of a hegemony.
     
    O Brother

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    you have wisely side stepped all the questions.

    it stands to reason that any sort of books that convince people sharia law is better than the laws of a civil state is flawed and erroneous by nature. if you are not coming up with the conclusion that man has long (and i mean long) surpassed sharia laws morally and ethically then you are definitely not reading the right books. this is not a personal view. this is unbiased and objective reality my friend, and the sooner you come to terms with it, the better it will be to you and everyone around you. kamen an objective reality.

    and then, just like now, you were not able to present a single shred to what truth can be found exclusively in islam and no where else.


    man, in case you have not noticed, the world is in shock as to what islam is. even muslims themselves are leaving the religion in bewildering scores. you seem to be one of the few people who are convinced otherwise though, and still trying to present islam as the solution when in reality the whole world is converging on the fact that it is the problem.

    Who said that these books are about Shariah!?

    And oh man while you put all your focus on the Muslims it's making you blind of your own surrounding!
    The western world today is basically going all nuts! And I mean hysterically nuts on all levels..
    just look at today at modern western women going all crazy shouting and showing their titties fort the whole world.. all these crazy feminist are a sign of a society going crazy!

    Or this hysterical fear of Islam taking over their countries and having constantly western politicians and leaders mentioning Islam in every speech they make..
    and media talking every single day about Islam! So seriously be honest what does all that tell you?
    Clearly there is obsession and resistance to Islam in the west today even tho Muslim majority countries are very weak and struggeling with being independent yet you have many westerners today freaking out and screaming that Shariah is taking over somehow! :D


    Why do you think that is? Out of 22 Muslim/Muslim-majority countries with varying degrees of application of Shariah, why are none of them adhering strictly according to Shariah economics?
    Because the whole world adhere to this same economical insanity and going against it is a redline nobody dare to cross!


    Murabaha is a loan with a fixed interest rate. That means you agree to pay that amount over period of time agreed upon with seller, who retains ownership (just like a bank) of your property until cost is fully paid. Really the only difference here is terminology used, but financially it is all the same.

    The only alternative to this type of transaction is to sell property, say your home, based on production cost. That means if you spent $200K to build your house, you'd sell it for $200K. Not something I would ever be willing to do, but should you decide to sell your property in Sweden based on production cost please shoot me a private message -- I'll be your first buyer.
    Probably Murabaha has its flows too it is a kinda of a loophole!
    Murabaha is basically a profit sale! You want that house for 200k I'll sell it for you for 220k and whatever you paid me is what you own of the house and whatever is left to pay is what I own of the house until full payment is made!


    You present no argument here, so to answer @CitizenOfTheRepublic question, no my curiosity was not satisfied. I was expecting something more in depth.

    A country cannot function with a 2.5% flat tax rate -- I am assuming based on the above that you think there should be no other taxes. I doubt you have done any calculations, let alone calculations that prove otherwise. A "crazy huge number" is meaningless if government cannot generate enough revenue to fund the services it offers.

    Saudi Arabia would be bankrupt and a third world country had it not been for petroleum. Tax revenue is a mere 2% of GDP (Table 2), compared to US where it's 31% of GDP. That is why, for the first time ever, Saudi Arabia as well as other GCC countries will be introducing 5% VAT in 2018 (Table 1). Saudi Arabia has been trying to diversify its economy and revenue sources.. and 2.5% flat tax just doesn't cut it for a modern economy with a spiderweb of services.

    What you're really saying is that an economic system that worked in middle ages should be applied in a twenty-first century economy. That doesn't make any sense, considering economy has evolved greatly since then.

    You should read the book The Long Divergence by economist Timur Kuran; he makes a compelling argument that the economic structures of Islamic law is the root of the problem in the Middle East today.

    If you're unwilling to waver on economic issues which are clear as day, I am not so sure you are qualified to determine which social system is more just.
    If you want to go into depth then research it and open a thread about it..

    My argument was that the current wicked economical system is unsustainable and only by adhering to the shariah laws we could yield a more just economical system!

    And you are thinking out from the existing regulated financial system that 2.5% is too little and who said that a country would function only on 2.5% Zakat? obviously the state must have different sources of revenue other than Zakat as Zakat is the money for people in need only!

    Saudi Arabia is not fully implementing or adhering to the Shariah actually Saudi Arabia is a pretty much westernized and a very materialistic country even if that is something hard to believe!

    Now if you have problem recognizing the insane economical system we all live under today then you are the one having hard time to grasp something so obvious!

    I don't claim to have solutions or offering a new system or anything but there are moral principles we must follow!

    Debts, gambling and usury are the trinity of the modern financial system today!
    And these three things are morally wrong.. just making the future generation inherit all this unjust debt is as wicked as dropping atom bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki and even worse!



    Whole world isn't getting screwed. Some people get screwed, some more than others, and some people do the screwing, some on greater scale than others. It's the way the world has always worked and if you think under Islamic law it will be any different, boy are you in for a huge disappointment. We are animals first, and Islamic law is closer to law of the jungle than civil system.

    By the way, you cannot own money -- money is a medium of exchange. You own wealth -- the total market value of all physical and intangible assets owned minus debts. Huge difference.
    When you have an economical system created just to screw us all then we are all screwed!
    Sooner or later in between all that inflation and deflation you will be screwed my friend!

    Money based on no value is no real money which is our current state today.. you have inflated currencies and prices constantly increasing!



    I am saying the person who came up with this theory is certainly not a specialist in the field of economy. According to none other than him, he got it from a divine revelation not from a scientific approach and empirical analysis.

    If only you knew, loooool!

    I am sure you used ordinary as a euphemism for "totally ignorant regarding the global financial system" :)
    And here you are again putting forward completely unfounded statements.

    Indeed, irresponsible spending and cooking books in the absence of interest-backed loans would have yielded something other than bankruptcy looooooooool!

    But basing it on the supposedly divine revelation of a 7th century Arabian merchant, now that has science written all over it.
    The Shariah doesn't tell us exactly how such economical system would function that is up to the experts in that field to achieve but it must under moral grounds like usury is immoral and debt and so on! basing an financial system on morality is shariah!

    What you are trying to tell me that we can not have anything different from the current immoral global financial system!
    And I'm telling you we can have a more scientific and moral based financial system!
    And to achieve a more moral financial system it have to evolve all the time so no its not being based on 7th century sciences!
    But clearly the modern financial system needs guidance from that era!


    It's nothing personal, I actually find that you are a nice guy on the personal level. On the social level, you exhibit the same symptoms as so many others who went through similar experience.

    You went through a cultural shock, everyone who migrates to a new setting experiences it at varying degrees no matter how open minded one is so you are certainly no exception. Your reaction to it is actually visible in this very paragraph you wrote. You are re-asserting your identity, or I should perhaps say your new post-emigration identity, the one you formed as a reaction. As part of your new identity was all the dogma that someone handed over to you, which is very similar to those who went through similar experiences Sayyid Qutb being a well known example.
    What is also quite telling is that nowhere have I said or mentioned anything about you needing to become like Swedes. I said you did not blend in, you extrapolated by yourself.
    Sayyid Qutb went to USA at older age and lived there for only few years so yes he was subjected to an unfamiliar culture way of life!
    Take Malcolm X for example he was born in a western culture and went through self-determination and inner awakening against self hatred which was the black community subjected to and brainwashed to hate itself so was that cultural shock? no it wasn't! I would say it was more of self-liberation!

    I differently from these two came to the west at a very young age and was brought up among westerners and was very familiar with the culture as I was living it so I certainly was very familiar with that culture and became part of it to some extent which is way different from what Sayyid Qutb experienced in his journey to USA! Asserting once identity is not cultural shock it is a reality or a fact I knew of all the time some people might deny this fact for themselves and try to become exactly what they are not and to these people I say you have a problem! As for my spiritual journey it's not even comparable to Sayyid Qutb the man went through way different things than me! anyway I think I have said enough in this and it is time to respect the wishes of the thread creator and get back to the subject!

    But I think a new thread about what debts means and how the global financial system works would be very interesting!
     
    O Brother

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    Now back to the trusting HA or not I have to be honest here and ask you who can you even trust?

    I certainly do not trust HA but I don't trust anyone in that field!
    Like Who would trust Hariri or Aoun or Gaegae or anyone in that same business?

    One have to be an idiot to trust these ppl!

    Like truly believing Aoun is for fighting corruption that is so naive like I understand when we are young and inexperienced we give our trust easily.. but there will come hopefully a time and you would realize it is all BS and it is all about personal interest at the end of the day!
     
    O Brother

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    Maybe this is your male ego hurting as you feel inferior by a woman putting you in your place. So poor you, then escape borrowing some empty concepts from Freud to give yourself the position of the male that passed his oedipal stage of infantile sexual development and is now situated in his male centrist position of emptiness emphasized by recognition and protection of his penis.

    Remember when we both were talking about HA having different kind of supporters earlier in this thread?

    Now Abou Sandal is a one certain kind!
    His kind are deeply in love and passionate toward HA and trust HA blindly and would wait and listen for every HN speech!
    But they are totally in denial to what HA stands for and will try to give themselves excuses before giving others!

    Basically HA succeed very well in even getting the admiration of the nonreligious secular Shia at least many of them!
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Remember when we both were talking about HA having different kind of supporters earlier in this thread?

    Now Abou Sandal is a one certain kind!
    His kind are deeply in love and passionate toward HA and trust HA blindly and would wait and listen for every HN speech!
    But they are totally in denial to what HA stands for and will try to give themselves excuses before giving others!

    Basically HA succeed very well in even getting the admiration of the nonreligious secular Shia at least many of them!
    True, and some of this respect is deserved as the achievement in terrorizing Israel out of Lebanon speaks for itself.

    The question of trust became an issue after the withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon and the realization of the fact that Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy speaking of Iranian regional imperial ambitions and not only the liberation of Lebanese territories from Israeli occupation. After the liberation of Lebanon discourse started to become about liberating Jerusalem, now it is real as they move into the Syrian conflict without consultation with the people of Lebanon through its parliamentary institutions. They are under Iranian imperial command. There is no question about this.

    Hezbollah was effective in liberating Lebanese territories. But they have a very immoral character and low values. They blackmail the people for liberating them and oppress and prevent anyone from speaking about such action, as they byrabe7 gmeileh. This means he has some hidden plan. They shut you up by stating without them you are a no body, so that they can take decisions to control the country while shutting you up under the power of arms.

    They degrade you to make themselves look superior. They degraded the Patriarch himself for disagreeing about the Syrian war. They are dangerous. Because they have access to Iranian money, and Iranian weapons, which is the gmeyelieh. Yalli beyrabe7 gemieleh manno men el sha3b. Law ken men el sha3b beykoun 3arfen enno 3am ya3moul wajeb mesh gmeileh.

    They black male you by making you think they are god, and without them you will be dead. I do not want a people with heik akhlaq to make it to become power. They will destroy Lebanon and make it an Iranian dog.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    True, but Muslims can just keep their head down low and integrate more easily into the "glorious" Islamic theocracy.

    A secular Mohamed can lie his way through life and make it but Georges and Cohen don't have it that easy.
    Not the Baha'is or any secular that supported the Shah. They are all here in Canada, where millions of Iranians were uprooted from Iran by the Revolution. This is not really about religion. This is about Islam and the dictating political ideology of the state, versus secularism. Noting that Political Islam is a modern totalitarian state ideology invented by Khomeini.

    The Bahahi's now decided also to be an independent religion away from Islam even though they take the Koran as a base text along with al-Bayan. They detached themselves from Islam because Islam is now a political ideology seeking political power in a state. It is not a faith or a religion. It is a state political ideology. The political ideology of Islam is similar to the political ideology of the Divine Rights of Kings in Dark Age Europe.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Lebanon issue is greater than HA. History taught us that nothing is guaranteed. If we were to look a 100 years ago, you would've think that Lebanon was a forever for the Maronites.

    For many Lebanese, HA is more than allegiance to Iran and Islamic State of Lebanon. For mean time, HA is well integrate within the Shia community, a community that represents almost 1 of 3 Lebanese. HA is the Shiite of Lebanon, more or less. Lebanon cannot afford being hostile to one of its main sect components. What Lebanese can do is built TRUST instead of walls among them; and make sure that Lebanon remains a country of plurality among different religions.


    I see your thread is more of separating the Lebanese rather than building bridges, understanding and trust. Not sure what you gain from creating rift between Lebanese. With a region of majority Sunni, not sure how Shiites can be a danger of a hegemony.
    Speak of yourself and your experience. Making meaningless speeches about the integration of HA within the Shi'a community to the Shi'a opposing Hezbollah due to the lack of integration is a strange position to take when you are a Christian.

    How did you being a Christian living in America decide that Hezbollah is integrated within the Shi'a community. If I am the Shi'a complaining about the lack of integration and the problem of trust. Tell me what makes you know about Shi'a integration better than I.

    Hezbollah is not the Shi'a sect in Lebanon. Hezbollah is an armed militia, you can call it resistance if you wish in Lebanon. They are Shi'a, but they are not all the Shi'a of Lebanon. You are alienating the Shi'a by imposing HA on the Shi'a by the force of Iranian weapons.

    The Shi'a that oppose HA are the Shi'a that are accommodating to Sunnis in Lebanon. This thread aims to bridge discourse with Sunnis and also Christians that do not trust HA. These are the Phalanges. They do not trust HA. You are alienating the Sunni and the Christian and the Shi'a opposition to Hezbollah to construct a lie about integration.

    This thread unifies because Hezbollah and their supporters are sectarian people full of hate against other sects and other religions, HA and its supporters are alienating the largest sect in Lebanon and this is the Sunnis.

    HA and its supporters would mobilize a sectarian war soft or hot against anyone that opposes their dictatorship on the decision making process.
     
    JB81

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    Speak of yourself and your experience. Making meaningless speeches about the integration of HA within the Shi'a community to the Shi'a opposing Hezbollah due to the lack of integration is a strange position to take when you are a Christian.

    How did you being a Christian living in America decide that Hezbollah is integrated within the Shi'a community. If I am the Shi'a complaining about the lack of integration and the problem of trust. Tell me what makes you know about Shi'a integration better than I.

    Hezbollah is not the Shi'a sect in Lebanon. Hezbollah is an armed militia, you can call it resistance if you wish in Lebanon. They are Shi'a, but they are not all the Shi'a of Lebanon. You are alienating the Shi'a by imposing HA on the Shi'a by the force of Iranian weapons.

    The Shi'a that oppose HA are the Shi'a that are accommodating to Sunnis in Lebanon. This thread aims to bridge discourse with Sunnis and also Christians that do not trust HA. These are the Phalanges. They do not trust HA. You are alienating the Sunni and the Christian and the Shi'a opposition to Hezbollah to construct a lie about integration.

    This thread unifies because Hezbollah and their supporters are sectarian people full of hate against other sects and other religions, HA and its supporters are alienating the largest sect in Lebanon and this is the Sunnis.

    HA and its supporters would mobilize a sectarian war soft or hot against anyone that opposes their dictatorship on the decision making process.
    We had elections not too long ago and over 90% of Shiites voted for the "Resistance" list.

    You are not Lebanese and you speak on behalf of your employers.

    Keep your focus on bringing secular Omar and Mohamed to Canada and leave Lebanon to Lebanese.
     
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