Can we Trust Hezbollah?

Mighty Goat

Mighty Goat

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We had elections not too long ago and over 90% of Shiites voted for the "Resistance" list.

You are not Lebanese and you speak on behalf of your employers.

Keep your focus on bringing secular Omar and Mohamed to Canada and leave Lebanon to Lebanese.
Only because you are an employed dog with no values that you think others are employed by someone and others do not speak their own minds. This is because when you speak about others you are projecting your own self and your own value system. You speak with your values.

The only entity that resists my discourse in Canada is the Zionist right. This like like the Christian right and the Shi'a right in Lebanon. These are the powers of oppression and resistance that I also resist. You see resistance is a two way process of an oppressor and oppressed. Both resist each other to reach a balance. If you think The Zionists employ me. I think you do not know what Zionism is. I also think you support them to discredit me in the same way they discredit my speech. You, The Zionist right and HA share one common strategy, you aim to make me look like I work for Israel or I work for the "enemies" of Iran. They like to make me look like I work for Hezbollah and Iran. I am caught in this spot for certain. It is not comfortable because I feel the pressure and I refuse to become oppressed.

I am an independent graduate student, I get no funding, and no one pays for the things I say. No one. Not Hezbollah and not the Zionists. They do not pay for people that speak their minds. They are afraid of people that speak their minds. Because they are afraid they discredit them. You are insecure. You work for some entity and assume everyone is like you.

But pay attention, your censorship techniques and your intimidation methods did not succeed in making me move out of here and speaking my mind, because I fund myself and the money I invest in funding myself is more important than any money an employer may pay. I make my own money. I am not employed by someone. I do not look for employment and I survive. Believe it or not.
 
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  • Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Who said that these books are about Shariah!?

    And oh man while you put all your focus on the Muslims it's making you blind of your own surrounding!
    The western world today is basically going all nuts! And I mean hysterically nuts on all levels..
    just look at today at modern western women going all crazy shouting and showing their titties fort the whole world.. all these crazy feminist are a sign of a society going crazy!

    Or this hysterical fear of Islam taking over their countries and having constantly western politicians and leaders mentioning Islam in every speech they make..
    and media talking every single day about Islam! So seriously be honest what does all that tell you?
    Clearly there is obsession and resistance to Islam in the west today even tho Muslim majority countries are very weak and struggeling with being independent yet you have many westerners today freaking out and screaming that Shariah is taking over somehow! :D
    the books you read are supposed to help you determine right from wrong, and least of all realize that sharia system was born dead and was surpassed by better system long before it was even written.

    the books are not supposed to brainwash you, but rather nurture your critical thinking skills.

    and this is precisely the problem from which socialists and leftists are suffering from around the world, at least within the special interest groups, like femen and the LGBT groups, they are no longer capable of exercising critical thinking, and that is what is derailing the world. after having gone through a period of economical boom and political stability, some groups were no longer interested in honing their critical thinking skills as they were no longer needed for survival, and the result is what you are witnessing around the globe today.

    but regardless, you can rest assured that the answer has never been and will never be shari3a law.

    the reality of the matter is that both the left and the radical islamists are in a race, and oftentimes in an alliance, to destroy the foundation of western civilization.

    did you migrate to the west to embrace or destroy that civilization?
     
    O Brother

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    the books you read are supposed to help you determine right from wrong, and least of all realize that sharia system was born dead and was surpassed by better system long before it was even written.

    the books are not supposed to brainwash you, but rather nurture your critical thinking skills.

    and this is precisely the problem from which socialists and leftists are suffering from around the world, at least within the special interest groups, like femen and the LGBT groups, they are no longer capable of exercising critical thinking, and that is what is derailing the world. after having gone through a period of economical boom and political stability, some groups were no longer interested in honing their critical thinking skills as they were no longer needed for survival, and the result is what you are witnessing around the globe today.

    but regardless, you can rest assured that the answer has never been and will never be shari3a law.

    the reality of the matter is that both the left and the radical islamists are in a race, and oftentimes in an alliance, to destroy the foundation of western civilization.

    did you migrate to the west to embrace or destroy that civilization?

    What's is wrong with you?
    first of all you keep making false assumptions.. what books are you even talking about?
    And what kind of stupid question is that whether I migrated to destroy that civilization? :lol:

    Seriously DA if anybody needs a holiday here it is you! :facepalm:

    And that "civilization" you speak of is destroying itself all we can do is watch the show and be part of it!
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    What's is wrong with you?
    first of all you keep making false assumptions.. what books are you even talking about?
    And what kind of stupid question is that whether I migrated to destroy that civilization? :lol:

    Seriously DA if anybody needs a holiday here it is you! :facepalm:

    And that "civilization" you speak of is destroying itself all we can do is watch the show and be part of it!
    you are the one who immigrated to sweden and is dreaming about changing the system to shariaa rule, announcing it is the best system.

    so to answer your question my friend, what is wrong with me? nothing. the question is what's wrong with you? :)

    civilization is in continuous state of struggle, ever since Man began rising, this is the struggle of Man, to rise above its current state. there is a constant struggle between building and destroying, between those who build and those who destroy. this is not new. what's new is that the capacity we have and the potential we have at our disposal is bigger.

    but let's put all of that aside, i have asked you to give me concrete examples.. and i honestly want to see those. what version of peace/truth/law is exclusive to islam? and why you think that is superior to what the civil society has achieved in the western world.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    you are the one who immigrated to sweden and is dreaming about changing the system to shariaa rule, announcing it is the best system.

    so to answer your question my friend, what is wrong with me? nothing. the question is what's wrong with you? :)

    civilization is in continuous state of struggle, ever since Man began rising, this is the struggle of Man, to rise above its current state. there is a constant struggle between building and destroying, between those who build and those who destroy. this is not new. what's new is that the capacity we have and the potential we have at our disposal is bigger.
    Not only @Noborders probably feels the systems of surveillance watching him in Western intelligence run states. It is how one decides to deal with the issue that one is always under surveillance.

    @Noborders believes that the way to come is the way of Islam. This is rather an illusion taught in the mosques and the story told by the clergy.

    Others like myself believe that Islam as being promoted by Hezbollah and Iran is the cause of the system of surveillance to target people of Lebanese origin to start with. Not only Muslims of Lebanese origin, but also Christians. This is taking an existing alliance now taking shape in Lebanon making everyone feel the pressure. There is pressure exerted on people of Lebanese origin with contacts to Lebanon globally. This is how the Syrian war is made to exert its toll over a body of people that share common bloodline. This is a biological awakening of the Lebanese as an origin by merely targeting Lebanese with such an origin within a system of bio-political surveillance.

    I think noborders is wrong is because I also know that inside Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, governments run by operating police states with brutal systems of surveillance against their own people.

    The question is who are they afraid of. If Shi'a Islam, Sunni Islam and the West are institutionalizing systems of surveillance with the aim of prohibiting the speech of the people, this means we live at a time of history when empires are falling. This is Islamic and otherwise they are all afraid of their own people.

    Do not be misled with what politicians say about how they want to shape the world after the war is over. History says that the end of war also brings an end to the politicians making promises. This is why there is a war to start with.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Not only @Noborders probably feels the systems of surveillance watching him in Western intelligence run states. It is how one decides to deal with the issue that one is always under surveillance.

    @Noborders believes that the way to come is the way of Islam. This is rather an illusion taught in the mosques and the story told by the clergy.

    Others like myself believe that Islam as being promoted by Hezbollah and Iran is the cause of the system of surveillance to target people of Lebanese origin to start with. Not only Muslims of Lebanese origin, but also Christians. This is taking an existing alliance now taking shape in Lebanon making everyone feel the pressure. There is pressure exerted on people of Lebanese origin with contacts to Lebanon globally. This is how the Syrian war is made to exert its toll over a body of people that share common bloodline. This is a biological awakening of the Lebanese as an origin by merely targeting Lebanese with such an origin within a system of bio-political surveillance.

    I think noborders is wrong is because I also know that inside Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, governments run by operating police states with brutal systems of surveillance against their own people.

    The question is who are they afraid of. If Shi'a Islam, Sunni Islam and the West are institutionalizing systems of surveillance with the aim of prohibiting the speech of the people, this means we live at a time of history when empires are falling. This is Islamic and otherwise they are all afraid of their own people.

    Do not be misled with what politicians say about how they want to shape the world after the war is over. History says that the end of war also brings an end to the politicians making promises. This is why there is a war to start with.
     
    O Brother

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    you are the one who immigrated to sweden and is dreaming about changing the system to shariaa rule, announcing it is the best system.

    so to answer your question my friend, what is wrong with me? nothing. the question is what's wrong with you? :)

    civilization is in continuous state of struggle, ever since Man began rising, this is the struggle of Man, to rise above its current state. there is a constant struggle between building and destroying, between those who build and those who destroy. this is not new. what's new is that the capacity we have and the potential we have at our disposal is bigger.

    but let's put all of that aside, i have asked you to give me concrete examples.. and i honestly want to see those. what version of peace/truth/law is exclusive to islam? and why you think that is superior to what the civil society has achieved in the western world.
    So wait dreaming is ilegal now? :D
    Beside I never said I want Shariah in Sweden.. But obviously in case the Muslims becomes a majority in Sweden and the Swedes start mass revert to Islam then yes I would want Shariah!

    I never talked about enforced Shariah!

    Civilizations comes and goes and the western civilization is no exception.
    Sooner or later there will be another beast taking over the falling system and god knows what is coming next!


    Sharia is the moral code for any just system in the world.. all non-Muslim systems or laws or whatever are containing Shariah in a way or another!
    Shariah is natural and part of nature! so basically sometimes one could find a shariah law in a western country without it even being labeled as Shariah law!


    Not only @Noborders probably feels the systems of surveillance watching him in Western intelligence run states. It is how one decides to deal with the issue that one is always under surveillance.

    @Noborders believes that the way to come is the way of Islam. This is rather an illusion taught in the mosques and the story told by the clergy.

    Others like myself believe that Islam as being promoted by Hezbollah and Iran is the cause of the system of surveillance to target people of Lebanese origin to start with. Not only Muslims of Lebanese origin, but also Christians. This is taking an existing alliance now taking shape in Lebanon making everyone feel the pressure. There is pressure exerted on people of Lebanese origin with contacts to Lebanon globally. This is how the Syrian war is made to exert its toll over a body of people that share common bloodline. This is a biological awakening of the Lebanese as an origin by merely targeting Lebanese with such an origin within a system of bio-political surveillance.

    I think noborders is wrong is because I also know that inside Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, governments run by operating police states with brutal systems of surveillance against their own people.

    The question is who are they afraid of. If Shi'a Islam, Sunni Islam and the West are institutionalizing systems of surveillance with the aim of prohibiting the speech of the people, this means we live at a time of history when empires are falling. This is Islamic and otherwise they are all afraid of their own people.

    Do not be misled with what politicians say about how they want to shape the world after the war is over. History says that the end of war also brings an end to the politicians making promises. This is why there is a war to start with.
    The surveillance system in the west is way much smarter than the surveillance system we have in so called 3rd world countries like Lebanon for sure! But how are you connecting all this to our conversation! Are you assuming I'm not giving my real views because I fear some kind of surveillance on me? :eek:

    First of all I got nothing to fear and last I checked wanting Shariah is not illegal! Secondly if I fear something like that I would certainly not come to a place like this where I have been a member since 2004 and give my views ye3ni common sense!

    And third you speak of mosques and clergies telling stories now my question what mosque are you talking about and what stories? can you be more specific please!
     
    Mighty Goat

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    And third you speak of mosques and clergies telling stories now my question what mosque are you talking about and what stories? can you be more specific please!
    Just the other day I was walking downtown Vancouver to see a Muslim man, wearing a Morrocan galabiyha but he is Canadian. He was standing at a booth promoting Wahabi Islam. Starting a conversation with the Canadian convert I was astonished to his making reference to Shi'a as non-Muslims. he thought i was a Jew from the Mossad, don't ask me why!! I think because I spoke a bit of the Old Testament with him.

    I mean this type of Mosque, you mean you do not have this phenomenon in Sweden. We do here.

    These guys make governments think that everyone that comes from the Middle East is either a Shi'a or a Sunni Islamist. By the time they find out who you really are they may really stalk you, if you go to such mosques. So, I was wondering if you go to a mosque like these in Sweden.

    Yes, the Muslim ban in America, and other surveillance mechanisms are examples of what I am talking about. I was figure printed and photographed at a point of entry to the United States. I wonder there are things like this going on in Sweden.

    So, maybe you think like these guys in the Mosque that Islam is something that is great to humanity and stand on a booth distributing leaflets about Islam and peace, while bashing Christians and Shi'a to people walking down the street in Sweden in front of mosques. This is what I am talking about.
     
    O Brother

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    Just the other day I was walking downtown Vancouver to see a Muslim man, wearing a Morrocan galabiyha but he is Canadian. He was standing at a booth promoting Wahabi Islam. Starting a conversation with the Canadian convert I was astonished to his making reference to Shi'a as non-Muslims. he thought i was a Jew from the Mossad, don't ask me why!! I think because I spoke a bit of the Old Testament with him.

    I mean this type of Mosque, you mean you do not have this phenomenon in Sweden. We do here.

    These guys make governments think that everyone that comes from the Middle East is either a Shi'a or a Sunni Islamist. By the time they find out who you really are they may really stalk you, if you go to such mosques. So, I was wondering if you go to a mosque like these in Sweden.

    Yes, the Muslim ban in America, and other surveillance mechanisms are examples of what I am talking about. I was figure printed and photographed at a point of entry to the United States. I wonder there are things like this going on in Sweden.

    So, maybe you think like these guys in the Mosque that Islam is something that is great to humanity and stand on a booth distributing leaflets about Islam and peace, while bashing Christians and Shi'a to people walking down the street in Sweden in front of mosques. This is what I am talking about.
    And you think I think like these guys because I'm not against Shariah?
    I'm just trying to understand you here!
    Do you imaging me as this wahhabi guy standing outside a msajeed bashing people? :lol:
    Well let me tell u I'm neither a Sunni nor a Shia or Wahhabi or twelver or whatever I am just Muslim guy so I don't associate myself with anyone and listen to whoever I think is worth listening to!
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    So wait dreaming is ilegal now? :D
    Beside I never said I want Shariah in Sweden.. But obviously in case the Muslims becomes a majority in Sweden and the Swedes start mass revert to Islam then yes I would want Shariah!
    i cannot believe you do not see the irony in that. man the very reason why you have migrated to sweden is because hundreds of years of sharia rule have depleted you, your mind, your society and your lands. the very reason why you have migrated to sweden seeking a better life is because they could indeed offer you a better life. but you have taken the virus the very virus that has destroyed your home country and rendered it senile along with you. you have experienced shariaa in all its aspects across the centuries and we are living its results today. you would be dreaming my friend if you think that the reason for the demise is that sharia wasn't applied correctly. it has been applied bel toul w bel 3ard, in all its different flavors.

    Civilizations comes and goes and the western civilization is no exception.
    Sooner or later there will be another beast taking over the falling system and god knows what is coming next!
    do not mix civilizations with empires. the western civilization begins with greece, several empires have come and gone and civilization is still progressing.

    Sharia is the moral code for any just system in the world.. all non-Muslim systems or laws or whatever are containing Shariah in a way or another!
    Shariah is natural and part of nature! so basically sometimes one could find a shariah law in a western country without it even being labeled as Shariah law!
    all laws in the world have some things in common, including the shariaa law. what makes them distinct is what they uphold differently, and this is where the whole issue resides. shariaa law could have been applicable in the desert 1400 years ago where islam emerged from, but it is invalid for any other time or any other place. you have to come to terms with that, the sooner the better. otherwise i am going to start discussing specifics :)
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    @Dark Angel and what you prefer this ?







    what i posted was to indicate that it is not HA who is sending shock waves through the western world. but if we reject that model it doesn't mean the alternative is the one you are pointing out. both of the people behind these acts are ethically depleted and morally bankrupted.

    the models we endorse are the ones which preserve the dignity of Man in the full meaning of the word.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    And you think I think like these guys because I'm not against Shariah?
    I'm just trying to understand you here!
    Do you imaging me as this wahhabi guy standing outside a msajeed bashing people? :lol:
    Well let me tell u I'm neither a Sunni nor a Shia or Wahhabi or twelver or whatever I am just Muslim guy so I don't associate myself with anyone and listen to whoever I think is worth listening to!
    Well, let me tell you one-thing. I see anyone that says Shari'a as a radical Islamist, since Shari'a is something that is strictly associated with sectarian divisions within Islam and these divisions are radical.

    You see the Wahabi Canadian convert, I met did not even know that what he thinks Islam is is Just wahabi. He really thought Bukhari speaks truth. This is a Canadian. I understand most of the "Islam" only guys think there is a Shari'a law in Islam. Actually, there is Shari'a law for Mohamed Iben Abdul Wahab version of Islam, just as the Twelver Shi'a Iran. You should choose the Shari'a line you promote.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    This is what Hezbollah members say about their party. They clearly make reference to the "Open Letter" 1985 and the shift in strategy after the 1989 Taef. This shift is especially in relationship to the Lebanese state multi-confessional system and its relations with the state.

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    بقلم : هيثم مزاحم ظهر حزب الله كحركة مقاومة للاحتلال إثر الغزو الإسرائيلي للبنان عام 1982، وذلك كإطار جامع للمجموعات الإسلامية الشيعية المؤمنة بنظرية "ولاية الفقيه" المتمثلة في قيادة الإمام الخميني في حينه، من أجل مقاومة هذا الغزو وإفرازاته. وأبرز هذه المجموعات هي: "حركة أمل الإسلامية"، حزب الدعوة الإسلامية، اتحاد الطلبة المسلمين، اللجان الإسلامية، لجان العمل الإسلامي، وعلماء وإسلاميون مستقلون.



    بيروت/ البديع ـ في الذكرى السادسة لحرب تموز 2006، الحرب التي شنّتها إسرائيل على لبنان في منتصف تموز/ يوليو 2006 ودامت 33 يوماً، والتي أطلقت عليها لاحقاً "حرب لبنان" والتي اعتبرتها أطول حروبها، لا يزال حزب الله يثير قلق إسرائيل والولايات المتحدة الأميركية وحلفائهما، لما يشكّله من قوة سياسة وعسكرية تتمتع بتأييد شعبي واسع وتنظيم أمني وعسكري دقيق وصارم، وبأسلحة متطورة وصواريخ تطال عمق الكيان الإسرائيلي.

    نشأة حزب الله
    ظهر حزب الله كحركة مقاومة للاحتلال إثر الغزو الإسرائيلي للبنان عام 1982، وذلك كإطار جامع للمجموعات الإسلامية الشيعية المؤمنة بنظرية "ولاية الفقيه" المتمثلة في قيادة الإمام الخميني في حينه، من أجل مقاومة هذا الغزو وإفرازاته. وأبرز هذه المجموعات هي: "حركة أمل الإسلامية"، حزب الدعوة الإسلامية، اتحاد الطلبة المسلمين، اللجان الإسلامية، لجان العمل الإسلامي، وعلماء وإسلاميون مستقلون.
    ويمكن القول إن نشأة "المقاومة الإسلامية" قد سبقت نشأة الحزب، أو بتعبير آخر خرج الحزب من رحم المقاومة.
    وهكذا فقد كان الهم الأساس لقيادة هذا التنظيم الذي سمي "مجلس الشورى"، تنظيم أعمال "المقاومة الإسلامية" والتنسيق بين مجموعاتها، ولم يكن بعد في صدد تأسيس حزب بالمعنى الإصطلاحي للكلمة، وبالتالي وضع ميثاق أو دستور يحدد مبادئ الحزب وأهدافه، أو رسم هيكليته التنظيمية. بل إن الإعتماد الرسمي لتسمية "حزب الله- الثورة الإسلامية في لبنان" تأخر حتى أيار/ مايو 1984 حيث أنشئ مكتب سياسي للحزب، وتقرر إصدار صحيفة أسبوعية هي "العهد".
    ولم يُعلن رسمياً عن تأسيس "حزب الله" إلاّ في شباط/ فبراير 1985 في وثيقة "الرسالة المفتوحة للمستضعفين"، التي شكّلت ما يشبه ميثاق الحزب. ومع ذلك بقي حزب الله بقيادته وبنائه التنظيمي الأولي في عالم السرية، وبقيت أسماء أعضاء "مجلس الشورى" والهرمية التنظيمية في الحزب وآلية اتخاذ القرارات فيه سرية حتى بالنسبة لأعضاء الحزب، حتى منتصف التسعينات من القرن الماضي.

    توصيف حزب الله
    كان الحزب لسنوات عدة بعد تأسيسه يرفض اعتبار نفسه حزباً بالمعنى التنظيمي الضيّق للحزب، بل كان يعتبر الأمة بكاملها إطاراً للحزب. من هنا أطلق شعار "أمة حزب الله". ولم تمضِ سنوات حتى تخلى الحزب عن هذا الشعار لاستحالة تجسيده في لبنان بعد أن تحوّل الحزب تدريجياً إلى حزب سياسي/ عسكري ذي هرمية تنظيمية معقدة.
    وكانت إشكالية التوصيف عند حزب الله تكمن في الرغبة في التماثل مع التعريف القرآني لحزب الله ﴿ومن يتول الله ورسوله والذين آمنوا فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون﴾ (سورة المائدة آية 56)، وذلك لأن الآية القرآنية شاملة لكل المؤمنين الذين يتولّون الله ورسوله والمؤمنين، ولايمكن لأحد أن يدعي احتكاره لهذه الصفة وتقييدها في حزب أو اتجاه، لأن الآخرين خارج الحزب سيظهرون كأنهم ليسوا من "حزب الله" القرآني.
    إذاً تحوّل "حزب الله" سريعاً من مجرّد حركة مقاومة عسكرية للاحتلال إلى حزب سياسي إسلامي يمارس المقاومة العسكرية ضد الإحتلال، ذلك لأن المقاومة العسكرية ليست سوى وسيلة لتحقيق غاية سياسية وطنية أو دينية، أي تحرير الأراضي المحتلة. ولو افترضنا أن المقاومة حققت الغاية من وجودها، فهل يعني ذلك انتهاء دور "حزب الله".
    الإجابة طبعاً هي النفي، لأن الحزب كان يطرح نفسه كحزب تغييري إسلامي يسعى لإصلاح النظام السياسي اللبناني، إن لم يكن في الإمكان إقامة نظام إسلامي بديل منه.

    ميثاق الحزب
    إعتبرت "الرسالة المفتوحة للمستضعفين" التي أعلن فيها حزب الله توجّهاته الفكرية وأهدافه السياسية عام 1985، الوثيقة الأساسية الصادرة عن الحزب، والتي حددت مبادئه الآيديولوجية وأهدافه السياسية. وقد بقيت هذه الوثيقة حتى العام 2009، هي الوثيقة الفكرية/ السياسية الرسمية الوحيدة للحزب، إضافة إلى البرامج الانتخابية التي أصدرها منذ دخوله المجلس النيابي عام 1992، والتي كانت تهتم بالشؤون الداخلية اللبنانية السياسية والإقتصادية والاجتماعية واللبنانية، من دون أن تتطرق إلى الآيديولوجيا.
    ولعل البرامج الإنتخابية التي خاض الحزب على أساسها الإنتخابات النيابية أعوام 1992 و1996 و2000 و2005 و2010، تكشف معظم التعديلات التي أدخلها الحزب على خطابه السياسي بمقتضى القراءة الواقعية للظروف السياسية الإقليمية من جهة، وتحوّل رؤيته للواقع اللبناني ذي التعددية الدينية والسياسية من جهة أخرى، ولتحالفاته الداخلية ورؤيته للمقاومة والصراع مع الاحتلال الإسرائيلي. غير أن هذه التعديلات لم تصل إلى حد إعادة النظر في الخطاب الآيديولوجي / الديني للحزب.

    تحوّل الحزب وأسبابه
    ولعل أبرز المسائل التي وردت في "الرسالة المفتوحة" والتي أثارت تساؤلات وانتقادات واتهامات لحزب الله، هي التالية:
    - الآيديولوجية الإسلامية الثورية التي يتبناها الحزب والتي تدعو إلى تغيير الأنظمة القائمة في دول العالم العربي والإسلامي، وإقامة الحكم الإسلامي فيها، وتوحيد الأمة الإسلامية، الأمر الذي أثار مخاوف حكومات عربية وغربية وفئات لبنانية، في مقدمتها المسيحيون.
    - القضية الفلسطينية: دعا حزب الله إلى تحرير كل فلسطين المحتلة "من النهر إلى البحر" وإزالة إسرائيل من الوجود، وهذا ما أقلق الإسرائيليين والأميركيين، إضافة إلى جزء من اللبنانيين كان يخشى تحمّل تبعات هذه الدعوة من عدوان إسرائيلي مستمر.

    وعلى الرغم من أن معظم هذه الإنتقادات لحزب الله يرتبط بخلفيات الصراع السياسي/ الطائفي والتنافس الحزبي/ السلطوي في لبنان، وبالتآمر الأميركي – الإسرائيلي على حزب الله لتشويه سمعته وإضعاف شرعيته الشعبية والقانونية الدولية، إلا أن هذه الاتهامات والتساؤلات عزّزتها بعض الشعارات التي أطلقها "حزب الله" في بداية انطلاقته، مما زاد من سوء الفهم لمبادئ الحزب وأهدافه.
    لا شكّ أن الشعارات والأهداف التي أطلقها حزب الله في بداياته، قد تأثرت بأجواء الهزيمة والإنكسار وسقوط الشعارات والآيديولوجيات التي أحدثها الغزو الإسرائيلي للبنان(1982) وهيمنة النظام اللبناني الفئوي الذي أفرزه من جهة، وبأجواء الإنتصارات الإيرانية في الحرب العراقية – الإيرانية، والتي كانت تعد باسقاط النظام العراقي ومتابعة الزحف نحو القدس من جهة أخرى. لذلك كان من الطبيعي أن يغلب عليها طابع الحماس التعبوي الثوري المثالي، على غرار كل الحركات الثورية في العالم.
    لكن حزب الله سرعان ما أصبح واقيعاً في شعاراته وطروحاته بعدما إصطدم بحسابات القوى الإقليمية والدولية، وإنتقل في حركته وأهدافه من "ما ينبغي أن يكون" إلى "ما يمكن أن يكون" في مواجهة "ماهو كائن".
    من هنا عرف حزب الله بعض التحولات في رؤيته ومواقفه السياسية للواقع اللبناني والعربي وفي إدارته لمعركة التحرير ضد الاحتلال الإسرائيلي ومن ثم لإدارته للصراع مع الكيان الإسرائيلي بعد التحرير في 25 مايو أيار 2000، وذلك بغية التكيّف مع المتغيرات المحلية والإقليمية والعالمية.
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    [article]أما أبرز هذه التحوّلات في رؤى حزب الله فهي:
    1 - الموقف من النظام اللبناني: كان حزب الله يعتبر النظام اللبناني (بين عامي 1982 و1989)، بحسب "الرسالة المفتوحة"، "صنيعة الإستكبار العالمي، وجزءاً من الخارطة السياسية المعادية للإسلام... تركيبة ظالمة في أساسها، لاينفع معها أي إصلاح أو ترقيع، بل لابد من تغييرها من جذورها". وهو كان يدعو إلى نظام متحرر من التبعية للغرب، يقرره الشعب بمحض اختياره وحريته، ويطمح أن يُعتمد النظام الإسلامي في لبنان على قاعدة الإختيار الحر للشعب.
    وبعد توقيع اتفاق الطائف عام 1989، كتسوية للأزمة اللبنانية وضعت نهاية للحرب الأهلية وقضت بتعديل الدستور لإلغاء الهيمنة المارونية على النظام اللبناني، عارض حزب الله الإتفاق لكونه يقوم بإصلاحات ترقيعية للنظام من دون تغييره أو إصلاحه جذرياً. لكنه قبل بالنتائج العملية للاتفاق من إنهاء الحرب وتوحيد لبنان وعودة مؤسسات الدولة، إلى حلّ الميليشيات وانتشار الجيش اللبناني في الأراضي اللبنانية كافة.
    وبدأ التحول الأساسي في موقف حزب الله من النظام اللبناني عندما شارك في الإنتخابات النيابية عام 1992 ودخل البرلمان اللبناني بكتلة متنوّعة طائفياً، فأصبحت معارضته للنظام من داخل مؤسساته الدستورية.
    وهكذا لم يعد حزب الله يدعو إلى إقامة نظام إسلامي في لبنان لإدراكه عدم واقعية هذا الطرح في الظروف الراهنة، إنما أصبح يركز في خطابه السياسي على إصلاح النظام السياسي عبر إلغاء الطائفية السياسية وغيرها.

    2 - لم يعد حزب الله يدعو إلى تغيير الأنظمة العربية والإسلامية وذلك لعدم واقعية هذا الطرح وعدم قدرته على تحقيقه، ولإلتزامه العمل في الإطار الجغرافي والقانوني للدولة اللبنانية. ومع أن الحزب يؤمن بوحدة "أمة الإسلام" ويعتبر نفسه جزءاً منها، إلاّ أنه بات يرى أن الظروف الموضوعية لهذه الوحدة غير موجودة في المرحلة الراهنة.

    3 - تحرير فلسطين وإزالة اسرائيل من الوجود: يرى حزب الله في إسرائيل الكيان الصهيوني الغاصب لأرض فلسطين، الأرض العربية – الإسلامية، والكيان القائم على حساب تشريد شعب عربي مسلم، هو الشعب الفلسطيني، و"الغدة السرطانية المغروسة في قلب العالم الإسلامي" كقاعدة للإستعمار الغربي تحمي مصالحه فيه.

    من هذا المنطلق، تعتبر إسرائيل في نظر حزب الله كياناً غير شرعي من الناحية الفقهية الإسلامية، لأنها قائمة على اغتصاب أرض إسلامية وقتل وتشريد مسلمين، إضافة إلى كون هذه الأرض تضم أماكن مقدسة إسلامية (المسجد الأقصى أولى القبلتين، ومسجد الصخرة...إلخ) تُضفي عليها بُعداً دينياً مقدساً.
    ويترتب على هذه الرؤية عدم جواز الإعتراف بإسرائيل والتفاوض والصلح معها، والتنازل عن أي حق من حقوق المسلمين لها من جهة، ووجوب قتالها وإخراج اليهود المحتلين من فلسطين وسائر الأراضي العربية المحتلة وإعادة الشعب الفلسطيني إليها من جهة أخرى. وجاءت أقوال الإمام الخميني الملهم الروحي للحزب، بشأن القضية الفلسطينية والموقف من إسرائيل لتعزز هذه الرؤية لدى حزب الله، ولاسيما قوله "يجب إزالة إسرائيل من الوجود".

    انطلق حزب الله في مقاومته للإحتلال الإسرائيلي في لبنان. وهو لا يزال يرى أن تقاعس الأنظمة العربية عن واجبها في الصراع ضد اسرائيل من أجل تحرير فلسطين، ومن ثم دخول بعضها في عملية تسوية سلمية معها، يجب ألاّ يؤديا إلى القبول بشرعية اسرائيل والإعتراف بحقها في الوجود وبحدودها كدولة "أمر واقع" مكان فلسطين التي لا يمكن اختزالها إلى أجزاء من الأراضي المحتلة عام 1967، وبقسم من الشعب الفلسطيني وحكم ذاتي محدود عليها.

    لكن حزب الله الذي لا يزال يدعو العرب والمسلمين للنهوض وتوحيد طاقاتهم لتحرير فلسطين كلها من "النهر إلى البحر"، قد أدرك أن ظروف الصراع مع اسرائيل قد تغيّرت في ظل عملية التسوية العربية - الإسرائيلية الشاملة(1991- 2000)، وأن ثمة قواعد جديدة للمقاومة المسلحة ضد الإحتلال تلزمه العمل ضمن الأراضي اللبنانية، بحيث يقتصر هدفها في تلك المرحلة على تحرير المنطقة المحتلة من لبنان، والتي تمثلت في الجنوب والبقاع الغربي، إلى أن تتهيأ الظروف الموضوعية التي تجعل الأمة الإسلامية قادرة على تحقيق هذا الهدف العظيم، أي تحرير كل فلسطين وإزالة الكيان الإسرائيلي من الوجود.
    وقد تكرس التزام حزب الله بضوابط الصراع مع اسرائيل في تفاهمي تموز/يوليو 1993 ونيسان / أبريل 1996 حيث إلتزم الحزب بعدم ضرب أهداف إسرائيلية داخل فلسطين المحتلة بداية، معتبراً أن إطلاق صواريخ "الكاتيوشا" على المستعمرات الإسرائيلية في الجليل الفلسطيني المحتل ليس سوى رد فعل على الإعتداءات الإسرائيلية على المدنيين في جنوب لبنان. وهذه المسألة أظهرت مرونة لافتة وواقعية سياسية شديدة ورؤية براغماتية لحزب الله في صراعه مع إسرائيل التي يتعاطى معها الحزب كأمر واقع موجود دون أن تكون لها أي صفة شرعية.

    تحرير جنوب لبنان عام 2000
    تمكن حزب الله من إرغام قوات الاحتلال الإسرائيلي على الاندحار من المنطقة المحتلة في جنوب لبنان والبقاع الغربي في 24 مايو أيار 2000، نتيجة تصاعد عمليات المقاومة الإسلامية والخسائر التي ألحقتها بقوات الاحتلال الإسرائيلي وجيش العملاء المسماة "ميليشيا أنطوان لحد"، وذلك من دون أي تفاوض أو تقديم اي ضمانات أمنية من لبنان أو حزب الله لإسرائيل، وهي سابقة لم تقم بها إسرائيل ولم يعرفها العالم العربي خلال صراعه مع الكيان الإسرائيلي منذ قيامه عام 1948.

    بعد إنجاز التحرير، والذي لم يكتمل كلياً بسبب إصرار إسرائيل على احتلالها مزارع شبعا وتلال كفرشوبا اللبنانية، وإبقائها على عدد من الأسرى اللبنانيين في سجون الاحتلال داخل فلسطين المحتلة، أعلن حزب الله أنه لن يوقف مقاومته العسكرية والسياسية للاحتلال حتى تحرير مزارع شبعا وتلال كفرشوبا وتحرير الأسرى اللبنانيين. وقد واصل بعض العمليات العسكرية القليلة في سبيل تحقيق هذين المطلبين، مع مراعاة الضغوط الدولية والمحلية على لبنان والحزب لعدم تصعيد النزاع، وإطلاق وعود بأن الجهود الديبلوماسية ستسفر عن تحرير هذه الأراضي وهؤلاء الأسرى، وهي وعود إنكشف كذبها بعد 12 عاماً على التحرير.
    وهكذا نفذت "المقاومة الإسلامية" عملية "الوعد الصادق" صباح الأربعاء 12 تموز يوليو 2006، حيث هاجمت المقاومة قوة عسكرية إسرائيلية في "خلّة وردة" في خرّاج بلدة عيتا الشعب الحدودية، فقتلت ثلاثة جنود وأسرت جنديين، وخاضت مواجهات عنيفة مع قوات الاحتلال التي حاولت سحب جنودها القتلى.

    وقد أطلق الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصر الله على العملية اسم "الوعد الصادق" وهدفها مبادلة الأسرى الإسرائيليين بالأسرى اللبنانيين والفلسطينيين والعرب في السجون الإسرائيلية.
    أما حكومة الاحتلال الإسرائيلي فأعلنت بعد اجتماع أمني طارئ "إعلان الحرب على حزب الله في إطار المواجهة الكبرى"، في محاولة لتحقيق هدفين: الأول ضربة مؤلمة لحزب الله والبنى التحتية اللبنانية.
    والثاني: إبعاد حزب الله عن الحدود مع فلسطين بجهد عسكري ودبلوماسي. وأطلقت على هذه الحرب تسمية "الجزاء المناسب".
    وبدأت إسرائيل عدوانها الذي استمر 33 يوماً وانتهى بوقف إطلاق النار بعد صدور قرار عن مجلس الأمن الدولي الرقم 1701 وانتشار الجيش اللبناني في الجنوب مع 15 الف من قوات اليونيفيل الدولية.
    لكن إسرائيل فشلت في تحقيق أي من أهدافها المعلنة في الحرب، فقد حافظ حزب الله على وجوده وسلاحه وصواريخه، وفشلت قوات الاحتلال في احتلال الأراضي اللبنانية وضرب بنية المقاومة واستهداف قيادتها وترسانة صواريخها التي وصلت إلى العمق الإسرائيلي في مدينة حيفا، وكانت تهدد بضرب مدينة تل أبيب.

    وأظهرت حرب تموز 2006 أن حزب الله قد تحوّل من مقاومة تخوض حرب العصابات التقليدية ضد قوات الاحتلال إلى قوات مسلحة تجمع بين أسلوب المقاومة وأسلوب الجيوش الكلاسيكسية من خلال اعتماده إطلاق الصواريخ المتوسطة المدى والبعيدة المدى، فضلاً عن استخدامه صواريخ متطورة مضادة للدبابات وأخرى مضادة للسفن وأخرى مضادة للمروحيات، حيث دمر الكثير من دبابات ميركافا وعدداً من طائرات أباتشي المروحية ودمير البارجة "حانيت" بصاروخ بحري، بعدما قامت البوارج الحربية الإسرائيلية بقصف مبنى الأمانة العامة لحزب الله ومنزل الأمين العام في حارة حريك. وبعد أقل من نصف ساعة أطل سماحة السيد حسن نصر الله في رسالة صوتية على شاشة المنار وليعلن عن بدء المفاجآت ودعا إلى مشاهدة البارجة الحربية الإسرائيلية "وهي الآن تحترق وتغرق".
    انتصار حرب تموز أظهر إمكانية الانتصار بوجود الإرادة والتصميم والتضحيات، والعمل الجاد والتخطيط والتدريب والمعرفة العلمية والتقنية والعسكرية، والأسلحة المتطورة، وهزيمة أسطورة الجيش الإسرائيلي "الذي لا يهزم". وأكدت الحرب أن سلاح حزب الله يشكّل ردعاً للعدوان الإسرائيلي وحماية لللبنانيين في وجهه.
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    JB81

    JB81

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    Well, let me tell you one-thing. I see anyone that says Shari'a as a radical Islamist, since Shari'a is something that is strictly associated with sectarian divisions within Islam and these divisions are radical.

    You see the Wahabi Canadian convert, I met did not even know that what he thinks Islam is is Just wahabi. He really thought Bukhari speaks truth. This is a Canadian. I understand most of the "Islam" only guys think there is a Shari'a law in Islam. Actually, there is Shari'a law for Mohamed Iben Abdul Wahab version of Islam, just as the Twelver Shi'a Iran. You should choose the Shari'a line you promote.
    We need more of these guys in the West! Long live multiculturalism! Who are you to tell them which is the true Islam? Listen to Noborders, he is a true Muslim, who are you to say that he is a wahhabi?
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    muslims colonized the whole world, syria, Lebanon, palestine, egypt, libya, and all of northern africa were Christian, they were occupied by force. europe has been constantly raided for more than 1200 years, even Rome and the Vatican were raided by muslims on several occasions. the united states of america established its navy specifically to fight off islamic pirates because more than 10% of its national income was being paid to tunesia and algeria in ransoms to free kidnapped slaved, that was in the middle of the 19th century. but they do not teach you that at schools now do they?

    so do not bring up this colonialism bull shit. you have experienced 1400 years of different flavors of shariaa rule, and it has left you backward, intellectually and humanely depleted.
    and counting and they are happy
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    muslims colonized the whole world, syria, Lebanon, palestine, egypt, libya, and all of northern africa were Christian, they were occupied by force. europe has been constantly raided for more than 1200 years, even Rome and the Vatican were raided by muslims on several occasions. the united states of america established its navy specifically to fight off islamic pirates because more than 10% of its national income was being paid to tunesia and algeria in ransoms to free kidnapped slaved, that was in the middle of the 19th century. but they do not teach you that at schools now do they?

    so do not bring up this colonialism bull shit. you have experienced 1400 years of different flavors of shariaa rule, and it has left you backward, intellectually and humanely depleted.

    nothing good will ever come out of applying shariaa law anywhere in the world.


    it depends. when rome fell the roman/greek civilization did not diminish but instead it spread to all of europe. there is even a much better theological example. when Christ died Christianity spread into the world. civilization transcends socio-economics and military struggle with the validity of its core. communism controlled more land, resources and people than the whole western world, but at the end of the day it the greeco/roman civilization germinated in the heart of the soviet union and brought it apart.

    this is a far more complex issue than simple military control.

    you keep wrongly repeating that. there is nothing moral in cutting hands and legs, there is nothing moral in considering that the testimony of a woman is inferior to that of a man, there is nothing moral in throwing gays from roof tops, there is nothing moral in public beheadings, there is nothing moral in discriminating between citizens based on their religious beliefs.

    sharia did not come up with anything new as far as laws are concerned, to the contrary, it added plenty of immorality to the already established norms, even by the standards of the sixth century. so no, sharia is not the moral code of the law. especially when it, itself, does not pass the basic requirements for ethics and morality.


    shariaa needs to be dissected and revised, many of its items and norms should be rejected, it may then serve as something. however by then it would no longer be shariaa, it would be something else completely.

    man as Christians we understand what shariaa is much better than you yourself do. the roots of shariaa do not come from islam. the laws are jewish by origin. we understand why they were their at the first place. islam does not. and we understand why they were rejected. islam does not.

    He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    but let's put all that aside. if in the 21st century you refuse to see that shariaa laws violate all the basic and essential human rights, then the problem is within you. when you embrace shariaa over human rights then you become a threat to civilization.

    ironically most of these topics are discussed in the most recent al-hayat broadcast, see these fine gentlemen? they are both x-muslims, rashid is now a Christian, and hamed is an atheist. it would serve you well to hear a bit of what they are saying, this seems to be tailored specifically for you.


    al hayat channel one of the best tools to explain and clarify islmaic issues

    it has had a great impact
     
    Mighty Goat

    Mighty Goat

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    To actually say that "erarly marriage" is what god said to a large audience of uneducated women, who think SHN speaks in the name of god is the first sign of the reign of terror that may hit us if the Iranian project of religious sectarianism giving dominance to the clergy as the mouth of god may bring the end of Lebanon.
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    Shariah books should be recycled and used as toilet paper :)

    Piss off Mohamed. Save a tree :)
     
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