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Isabella

Isabella

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Those peaceful Uyghurs want to establish an Islamic republic in China.
They can spare us their tears because no one is buying it.

A re-education camp that frees women of the veil and forces Muslims to drink alcohol?
Doesn't sound like torture to me.
Yes very humane! Gang rapes, routine beatings, brainwashing, organ harvesting, depriving prisoners of food, finger nail pulling etc.

Rape, medical experiments, and forced abortions: One woman describes horrors of Xinjiang concentration camps
 
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  • Indie

    Indie

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    And it's now possible to get foie gras without gavage. My argument is every single animal product you consume comes from a mistreated animal, some forms are more severe than others granted but meat tastes too good for me to be vegan, so I don't sweat it! Also as I said I reconcile eating foie gras with the fact that ducks are rapists so I don't mind their mistreatment :p
    The argument started when I said that fois gras should be illegal. Why fois gras and not other animal products? Because the latter can be produced without mistreating the animals, while the former can't. So you can make the unethical production of the latter illegal, without making the products themselves illegal.

    Now, if they found a new way to make fois gras without mistreating the animal, that changes things. But the traditional method should be illegal.
     
    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    Those peaceful Uyghurs want to establish an Islamic republic in China.
    They can spare us their tears because no one is buying it.

    A re-education camp that frees women of the veil and forces Muslims to drink alcohol?
    Doesn't sound like torture to me.
    Do not click if you want to stay in denial or you have a faint heart!


     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    You mock people who worship God.

    But you think it's cool for people to be brainwashed into worshiping a dictator.

    Enough said.
    i dont mock people who worship god...im no one to judge people ... i respect the spiritual life of people if they have any . and i disrespect people who in the name of religion try to live on the shoulders of others...
    god for me is something that doesnt exist and have no any influence.. b

    i dont worship anyone .. i just respect who try to built a rightful society .. as Mr kim is doing ..
     
    Indie

    Indie

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    i dont mock people who worship god...im no one to judge people ... i respect the spiritual life of people if they have any . and i disrespect people who in the name of religion try to live on the shoulders of others...
    god for me is something that doesnt exist and have no any influence.. b

    i dont worship anyone .. i just respect who try to built a rightful society .. as Mr kim is doing ..
    So "rightful" is his society that no one can enter it except under strict supervision, and no one can exit it, unless they manage to escape.

    Good thing Italy is a different kind of society or you wouldn't be able to enjoy all those trips you go on.
     
    Indie

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    @Indie u talk and talk about something that u know nothing about rather what your priest tell you every sunday morning :)

    Experiments in socialist urbanism: From Red Vienna to Red Bologna | CityMetric
    You're just going to ignore the point I made about North Korea and jump to a new topic? How convenient. Sprinkle a little sarcasm about religion on top...that'll help your argument!

    You don't get to decide who knows or doesn't know something about a topic. Just because you're too biased to accept the failures of communism, it does not mean they don't exist.
     
    SAVO

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    You're just going to ignore the point I made about North Korea and jump to a new topic? How convenient. Sprinkle a little sarcasm about religion on top...that'll help your argument!

    You don't get to decide who knows or doesn't know something about a topic. Just because you're too biased to accept the failures of communism, it does not mean they don't exist.
    1st of all we must agree that in north korea , christians exist and they have their own churches .. if you dont believe me go and check by yourself .
    second .. in the socialist ideology , the spiritual life belong to individual , the pubblic life belong to the society , and with pubblic life i mean the material exchange among human ..
    any religious organization is not allowed to operate out of its spiritual dimension.

    that mean it is not allowed any form of religious economy or religious politics .. socialism is an ideology for all based on social equality and equal treatment , and no sub classes or any privilege for any social class is allowed .
    and that what we want to do in italy and in whole the world .. its a clash of classes .. workers class against the bourgeois class , and its ideology , the capitalism. workers class is the biggest and they need to organize in order to reclaim their right in a right society..and socialism is the only way to reach it ..

    to understand what i am talking about .. try to find those books and read them .. then come back and it will be pleasure for me to debate with you ..

    Dialectical and Historical Materialism - Wikipedia

    A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy - Wikipedia

    Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Wikipedia

    i ordered the arguments for you so u can easily pass from argument to argument .
     
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    Indie

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    1st of all we must agree that in north korea , christians exist and they have their own churches .. if you dont believe me go and check by yourself .
    second .. in the socialist ideology , the spiritual life belong to individual , the pubblic life belong to the society , and with pubblic life i mean the material exchange among human ..
    any religious organization is not allowed to operate out of its spiritual dimension.

    that mean it is not allowed any form of religious economy or religious politics .. socialism is an ideology for all based on social equality and equal treatment , and no sub classes or any privilege for any class are allowed .
    This argument has nothing to do with my post either.

    Regardless, it does not help your case. Under communist regimes, there was equality, alright. Everyone was equally poor, starving, miserable, and terrified. Except the party leaders of course.

    Now I'm done with this nonsense. I'll just end by saying this: next time you're travelling, think of all the poor North Koreans who don't have that freedom, and thank your lucky stars you're not living under a communist government.
     
    SAVO

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    This argument has nothing to do with my post either.

    Regardless, it does not help your case. Under communist regimes, there was equality, alright. Everyone was equally poor, starving, miserable, and terrified. Except the party leaders of course.

    Now I'm done with this nonsense. I'll just end by saying this: next time you're travelling, think of all the poor North Koreans who don't have that freedom, and thank your lucky stars you're not living under a communist government.


    to understand what i am talking about .. try to find those books and read them .. then come back and it will be pleasure for me to debate with you ..

    Dialectical and Historical Materialism - Wikipedia

    A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy - Wikipedia

    Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Wikipedia

    i ordered the arguments for you so u can easily pass from argument to argument .
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    This argument has nothing to do with my post either.

    Regardless, it does not help your case. Under communist regimes, there was equality, alright. Everyone was equally poor, starving, miserable, and terrified. Except the party leaders of course.

    Now I'm done with this nonsense. I'll just end by saying this: next time you're travelling, think of all the poor North Koreans who don't have that freedom, and thank your lucky stars you're not living under a communist government.
    N. Korea was attacked and destroyed by americans from 1950 till 1953 , thats after a long colonial occupation of fascist japan regime that caused millions of death ...
    from a destroyed and isolated country , kim il sung leaded the process of reconstruction .. and then followed by his son kim jong il and now his nephew kim jong un.. on the path of developpment and freedom.. now they are strong and free country ( from imperialism ) and once the embargo lifted, their economy will be open starting with their southern brother , i dont see any problem that N. koreans can travel ..
    the war was imposed on them , like any imperialist war ...

    do u know what is the meaning of this statue in pyong yang ?
     

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    SAVO

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    @Indie its like asking .. why palestinians can't travel ? u tell me , why a palestinian from gaza or cisgiordania cant travel ?
    why a poor from kalkuta can't travel ?
    why a poor from south america can't travel ?
     
    Indie

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    @Indie its like asking .. why palestinians can't travel ? u tell me , why a palestinian from gaza or cisgiordania cant travel ?
    why a poor from kalkuta can't travel ?
    why a poor from south america can't travel ?
    For the last two, the answer is in your question: because they're poor.

    For the first: because of restrictions imposed by Israel.

    Neither of these cases is of a government taking away its own people's right to travel, while pretending to be their savior.

    to understand what i am talking about .. try to find those books and read them .. then come back and it will be pleasure for me to debate with you ..

    Dialectical and Historical Materialism - Wikipedia

    A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy - Wikipedia

    Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Wikipedia

    i ordered the arguments for you so u can easily pass from argument to argument .
    Thanks, but I read enough on my own to know what I'm talking about. To me, nothing justifies the atrocities and human rights abuses committed under communism. And all that for an economic model with a worse outcome than capitalism.

    I'll end the debate here because all the socio-political bickering (not just here but in all threads) ends up making everyone annoyed and on edge. I'd rather just chill and avoid all that negativity.
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Do you know why veal meat is white? It's because they take away the males from their mother and let them starve to death. Pigs and chickens are kept in disgusting conditions, I think something like 80% of pigs suffer from pneumonia upon slaughter. And even when you do buy free range thinking you're doing something nicer by encouraging that label, that usually entails letting the animals out for like 10 minutes into 4 sqm of fresh air depending on the country... Chickens get their beaks trimmed routinely as well, they also spend their entire lives living on metallic grids. Not to mention that nearly all livestock are forced to grow up at alarming rates and consuming less food than they used to. Cows as well are bred, force fed hormones for milk production, and discarded after about 6 months.

    When you start with animal cruelty it doesn't end and it gets increasingly harder to know where to draw the line. Still though nothing in the West does and will ever compare to Chinese practices and their excessive cruelty on both people and animals.
    This is why I never eat veal or foie gras. I am also considering quitting meat altogether, maybe this new year resolution :)
    You should really think about that poor "veal" when you are chowing down.

    Have you drawn a line somewhere. Take your pick and draw your first line wherever you want. It begins by drawing it :)
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    I talked about animal cruelty in cosmetics and rhino horns and tiger bones. I'm not vegan so of course I'm a hypocrite when it comes to animal rights. I draw the line on what is not consumed.
    I just saw that you drew a line lol
    This is pathetic weak ass line :)
    Draw another one :)
     
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