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    joseph_lubnan

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    You can have chickens in your backyard and get eggs from them. You can even have a cow a milk it yourself if you want.

    But you can't make fois gras without torturing the animal, even if you had your own farm and controlled the whole process.
    Cow milk is actually for calves :)
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Socialism/communism in itself is unsustainable utopian theory, which is very dangerous because it always finds gullible idiots who think that they and only they know the right way how to build it.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    My posts on the subject are about human rights violations by the Chinese government: putting Muslims in concentration camps against their will, burning down churches and replacing crosses with pictures of xi jinping, conducting unethical scientific experiments on people, being one of the few countries on the planet where animal experimentation for cosmetics is not only legal but actually required by law, harvesting human organs from prisoners of faith (you know the individuals who do not toe the line of the Communist party), limiting the internet and media in general to such a degree that the government dictates what people get to watch, read and listen to, the government can and does kidnap people for whatever reason they deem fit, if they need your land for whatever construction project they have you will be underpaid and if you resist get sent to jail where your organs get harvested in order to be transplanted in rich western people looking for cheap and quick transplants, country wide rating and surveillance system: if you f*cking breathe the government knows about it, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! But sure yes western countries are the epitome of human rights violations and I'm in the wrong for being weary about China 🙄
    Your heart is in the right place, though your priorities are misplaced. I reiterate, it's better you discipline muslim militants than arm and have them murder a million people so you can install a puppet government and build a gas pipeline. China pales in comparison to such human rights abuses. Besides, much of these violations you refer to are prepackaged western propaganda and out of Trump’s stump speeches. Either they are patently false, exaggerated or by no means isolated to China, or otherwise associated with nations that have undergone an economic transformation (of epic proportions in the case of China). This is not to condone any transgressions, but putting things in perspective.

    When it comes to surveillance, at least China is transparent about it. Be sure that Google, Apple, Facebook... are in total cahoots with western governments. As evidenced by wikileaks and others, you only have the illusion of privacy. Not to digress, but kudos to Assange, Snowden and the true freedom fighters out there.

    Moreover, we should praise China for blocking western social media. As we've seen far too often, certain governments have used it as a dangerous political weapon. Likewise, economic protectionism has kept the predatory practices of Corporate America out, and in turn, allowed domestic industry to thrive. Though not in complete control of their destiny yet, India is taking a page out of China's playbook. In recent years, there has been some meaningful legislation to protect India's fledgling industries from exploitation by western governments and corporations.

    Notwithstanding, total media control and the absence of habeas corpus equivalent are certainly major concerns in China. I personally know some people who vanished overnight due to purported corruption or financial crimes. The legal system in China takes the worst from the old Mao system and is in bad need of reform.
     
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    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    And it's now possible to get foie gras without gavage. My argument is every single animal product you consume comes from a mistreated animal, some forms are more severe than others granted but meat tastes too good for me to be vegan, so I don't sweat it! Also as I said I reconcile eating foie gras with the fact that ducks are rapists so I don't mind their mistreatment :p
    On that note, you should add dolphin meat to your diet. These cute creatures are notorious for gang rape. Flipper has his dark side.
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    This is why I never eat veal or foie gras. I am also considering quitting meat altogether, maybe this new year resolution :)
    You should really think about that poor "veal" when you are chowing down.

    Have you drawn a line somewhere. Take your pick and draw your first line wherever you want. It begins by drawing it :)
    I never eat veal either or any baby animal lol so I guess that's another line 😅
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    Your heart is in the right place, though your priorities are misplaced. I reiterate, it's better you discipline muslim militants than arm and have them murder a million people so you can install a puppet government and build a gas pipeline. China pales in comparison to such human rights abuses. Besides, much of these violations you refer to are prepackaged western propaganda and out of Trump’s stump speeches. Either they are patently false, exaggerated or by no means isolated to China, or otherwise associated with nations that have undergone an economic transformation (of epic proportions in the case of China). This is not to condone any transgressions, but putting things in perspective.

    When it comes to surveillance, at least China is transparent about it. Be sure that Google, Apple, Facebook... are in total cahoots with western governments. As evidenced by wikileaks and others, you only have the illusion of privacy. Not to digress, but kudos to Assange, Snowden and the true freedom fighters out there.

    Moreover, we should praise China for blocking western social media. As we've seen far too often, certain governments have used it as a dangerous political weapon. Likewise, economic protectionism has kept the predatory practices of Corporate America out, and in turn, allowed domestic industry to thrive. Though not in complete control of their destiny yet, India is taking a page out of China's playbook. In recent years, there has been some meaningful legislation to protect India's fledgling industries from exploitation by western governments and corporations.

    Notwithstanding, total media control and the absence of habeas corpus equivalent are certainly major concerns in China. I personally know some people who vanished overnight due to purported corruption or financial crimes. The legal system in China takes the worst from the old Mao system and is in bad need of reform.
    No they are not "disciplining" Muslim militants they are putting people in concentration camps and forcing them to fall in line using brainwashing techniques and all kinds of horrors! That's not something you get to minimise just because you're anti Muslim! Besides they are starting to do the same thing for other religious minorities, you either toe the line or the Communist party is coming for you!

    In regards to your other point I understand quite well that we only have the illusion of privacy however the difference is you get to state any opinion you like without becoming a prisoner of faith and getting your organs harvested, that's a freedom that's not afforded to the Chinese.

    India is indeed taking a page out of China's playbook with the recent events in Kashmir and its new citizenship law, that's not something to be proud of or brag about for that matter!

    I'm glad we agree on the last part.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Fois gras is cruel and should be illegal.

    But it's ridiculous to claim that France is worse than China regarding human and animal rights abuse.
    Every animal product you consume has been obtained through torturing an animal to some degree. Foie gras tastes excellent and I'm fine with eating it.
    behold u can now eat it without having moral
    dilemnas
     
    الحرس الجمهوري

    الحرس الجمهوري

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    behold u can now eat it without having moral
    dilemnas
    Is foie gras that phenomenal that greedy humans can't live without it? It tastes alright but it's not that good that it warrants torturing an animal for it. Nothing is.

    I stopped eating foie gras a few years ago when I found out how it's produced.
    Now I don't eat at McDonald's either because it uses halal meat.

    The whole meat industry is cruel if you think about it. Even if the slaughter is humane, the conditions in which the animals are raised for food are really sad.

    Even the egg industry is cruel. Millions of male chicks are grinded every year because they're considered waste.

    We should all seek to become vegetarians at some point.
    The Lebanese cuisine is rich in vegetarian dishes like hummus, tabbouleh, mjadra, loubieh, vine leaves... I'd take hummus plate over foie gras or a burger any day.
     
    الحرس الجمهوري

    الحرس الجمهوري

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    @Iron Maiden @IsaBells @Indie Sur le même sujet, in the future we'll be able to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter animals.

     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    @Iron Maiden @IsaBells @Indie Sur le même sujet, in the future we'll be able to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter animals.

    They already sell lab grown meat at some burger kings
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    No they are not "disciplining" Muslim militants they are putting people in concentration camps and forcing them to fall in line using brainwashing techniques and all kinds of horrors! That's not something you get to minimise just because you're anti Muslim! Besides they are starting to do the same thing for other religious minorities, you either toe the line or the Communist party is coming for you!

    In regards to your other point I understand quite well that we only have the illusion of privacy however the difference is you get to state any opinion you like without becoming a prisoner of faith and getting your organs harvested, that's a freedom that's not afforded to the Chinese.

    India is indeed taking a page out of China's playbook with the recent events in Kashmir and its new citizenship law, that's not something to be proud of or brag about for that matter!

    I'm glad we agree on the last part.
    Certainly religious freedoms are non-existent which is a legacy of Red China. Communists had always perceived religion as a threat to society which is probably true. However, restricting religious expression is definitely a violation of human rights. Albeit, generally speaking, Chinese people are quite spiritual but dismissive of organised religion. I view that as a positive.

    Militants probably need brainwashing, or un-brainwashing, depending on how you look at it. The rest of it is just exaggerated. To see America standing up for muslim radicals is amusing. China took that card away from them, so now they've resorted to sowing seeds of discord in Hong Kong. Can you imagine what was the State Department's and Pentagon's plan for militant Uygurs? They would have had a field day propping them up and created a Chinese version of ISIS to destabililze the region. To their credit, the Chinese government outmaneuvered them on that front. This as a national security issue and there's ample evidence Xingjian was another Syria/Iraq waiting to happen. Rather than a trade war, it would have been another U.S. proxy war with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, losing their lives.

    Actually, India's actions in Kashmir are out of the U.S. playbook. The U.S. tacitly supports them and publicly denounces them for human rights violations. No different than their support of dictators and terrorists around the world. I was referring to India's recent restrictive laws on e-commerce and other noteworthy regulations to help local companies benefit from India's marketplace. Otherwise, the likes of Amazon would monopolise the market and crush any would be local competition. Many countries aren't allowed to develop economic independence or even benefit from their own marketplace and resources due to predatory capitalism led by the U.S.
     
    الحرس الجمهوري

    الحرس الجمهوري

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    Certainly religious freedoms are non-existent which is a legacy of Red China. Communists had always perceived religion as a threat to society which is probably true. However, restricting religious expression is definitely a violation of human rights. Albeit, generally speaking, Chinese people are quite spiritual but dismissive of organised religion. I view that as a positive.

    Militants probably need brainwashing, or un-brainwashing, depending on how you look at it. The rest of it is just exaggerated. To see America standing up for muslim radicals is amusing. China took that card away from them, so now they've resorted to sowing seeds of discord in Hong Kong. Can you imagine what was the State Department's and Pentagon's plan for militant Uygurs? They would have had a field day propping them up and created a Chinese version of ISIS to destabililze the region. To their credit, the Chinese government outmaneuvered them on that front. This as a national security issue and there's ample evidence Xingjian was another Syria/Iraq waiting to happen. Rather than a trade war, it would have been another U.S. proxy war with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, losing their lives.

    Actually, India's actions in Kashmir are out of the U.S. playbook. The U.S. tacitly supports them and publicly denounces them for human rights violations. No different than their support of dictators and terrorists around the world. I was referring to India's recent restrictive laws on e-commerce and other noteworthy regulations to help local companies benefit from India's marketplace. Otherwise, the likes of Amazon would monopolise the market and crush any would be local competition. Many countries aren't allowed to develop economic independence or even benefit from their own marketplace and resources due to predatory capitalism led by the U.S.

    It's amazing that people believe everything that is being reported by the Western media about China's alleged mistreatment of Uyghurs.
    It's all just propaganda in my opinion.

    Also, the Uyghurs are not the peaceful and moderate Muslims that the West is making them out to be. They're the Chinese version of Taliban; militant and Sharia-loving. Even Saudi Arabia didn't come to their defense.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    @Iron Maiden @IsaBells @Indie Sur le même sujet, in the future we'll be able to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter animals.

    Beyond Meat (BYND) which is listed on the Nasdaq is one such company leading that movement. It's probably the most overvalued company in the food processing business. Investors inflated the stock price as they perceive this is the future of 'meat' consumption.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    It's amazing that people believe everything that is being reported by the Western media about China's alleged mistreatment of Uyghurs.
    It's all just propaganda in my opinion.

    Also, the Uyghurs are not the peaceful and moderate Muslims that the West is making them out to be. They're the Chinese version of Taliban; militant and Sharia-loving. Even Saudi Arabia didn't come to their defense.
    Media propaganda is a powerful tool. Like I tell everyone, propaganda works best when people don't realise they are being indoctrinated. China has a propaganda ministry for god's sake, but it's elementary compared to western media.
     
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