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Christian-Muslim Relations In the Middle-East

Steven Gerrard

Steven Gerrard

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These were the initial converts. But the latter influx of Maronites weren't indigenous. Every Shia speaks of the Jabel Amel and the Banu Amelah. But can every Shia prove he descended paternally from them? I dont think so.



We are a mixture of many races and ethnicities through migration, and conquests and earlier indigenous peoples.
Again,

The DNA evidence proves differently. There weren't an influx of Maronites from Syria. Most were converts from missionaries same as missionaries who converted the local people to Shia, Sunni or Druze. Our ancestors were Canaanites who later became Phoenicians.

There is also no DNA evidence (actually DNA evidence proves things differently) that conquests changed the genetics much. If you do your DNA test, the majority of your DNA ( more than 50%) will be Levant others will be dispersed to Anatolian origin (Turkey/Iran/ East Caucasus). Peninsular Arab is very very low as low as 3%.
 
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  • Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Again,

    The DNA evidence proves differently. There weren't an influx of Maronites from Syria. Most were converts from missionaries same as missionaries who converted the local people to Shia, Sunni or Druze. Our ancestors were Canaanites who later became Phoenicians.

    There is also no DNA evidence (actually DNA evidence proves things differently) that conquests changed the genetics much. If you do your DNA test, the majority of your DNA ( more than 50%) will be Levant others will be dispersed to Anatolian origin (Turkey/Iran/ East Caucasus). Peninsular Arab is very very low as low as 3%.
    I'd like to do this test some day soon. Let me see the analysis of my genetic makeup.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

    Member
    it is

    but we are not Phoenicians anymore. Time and people change, we are now more Lebanese than Phoenicians so time to embrace that instead.
    I’d argue that Lebanon is simply the modern form of Phoenicia. The language and religion of the country may have changed, but the idiosyncratic and cultural peculiarities that defined ancient Phoenician peoples have been retained.
     
    Ice Tea

    Ice Tea

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    The point Nazzal is trying to make is that a large part of Maronites came from Syria, especially during the Ottoman times, as peasants and they played a key role in replacing or displacing the Shia in Mount Lebanon.

    Does everyone have a pinch of locals? Yes, we all do. Even if it was through back and forth conversions. Nazzal is perhaps making the point that the Shia are more indigenous than others. In Lebanon's history, the Shia have never come, migrated or gained influence through the sword of the conqueror in the land. For example, the Mamluks and Ottomams empowered Sunnis and Druze. The Crusders and French empowred Maronites. The question is who empowred Shias? The bulk of us are Ithna Ashariyyah Shia. The first form of local administrative units in the form of emirates in Mount Lebanon were by local Shia populations. The Banu Ammar were Ismaili Shia with support of the Fatimid rulers ruling over the largely Ithna Ashariyyah Shia subjcts. So we find no conquest empowering the local Shia population.

    To claim that 95% of Lebanese descended from locals is nonsense. Mr Taleb needs to tell us what is his definition of "locals". Who can be termed as "local" and from what period? Can we term the Sunni families of Beirut from Turkish origin as "descended from locals"? Or can we term the Maronite peasants who moved to Mount Lebanon in the 14th century as locals? Or are Orthodox Beirut families from Greek origin local? What makes one be regarded as local or indigenous? Mr Taleb should clarify.

    The thing is, even if Maronites came from Syria, there's NO WAY of proving that. Levantine Christians are genetically the same, regardless of sect or country of origin. Lebanese and other Levantine Christians literally cluster with Samaritans, the most isolated group in the Levant, just so you get an idea.

    Granted, Lebanese Muslims are not as Arabian as the Palestinians, but still shift genetically towards Syrians, which indicates they absorbed many admixtures. Which is expected, since Muslims.. married other Muslim from across the middle east, whilst Christians only married other Christians thus remaining purely and pristinely Levantine.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    The thing is, even if Maronites came from Syria, there's NO WAY of proving that. Levantine Christians are genetically the same, regardless of sect or country of origin. Lebanese and other Levantine Christians literally cluster with Samaritans, the most isolated group in the Levant, just so you get an idea.

    Granted, Lebanese Muslims are not as Arabian as the Palestinians, but still shift genetically towards Syrians, which indicates they absorbed many admixtures. Which is expected, since Muslims.. married other Muslim from across the middle east, whilst Christians only married other Christians thus remaining purely and pristinely Levantine.
    So that proves the "European-nity" of Zionist Israehellis. And the Africanity of Ethiopian Jews. And the Arabness of Middle East Jews. Yes?
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    I would be feel very proud nonetheless.

    @Steven Gerrard please recommend a place to do the test in Beirut?
    Walla I'm not sure in Beirut, but if you can order a test kit from 23andme or AncestryDNA they are fairly common and easy to do.
     
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