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Christianity is Self-Destructive

NewLeb

Member
A common Christian talking point is that Christianity is uniquely different from Judaism and Islam in terms of how the second oldest Abrahamic faith approaches the political question.

“Render unto Ceaser.” Yes, these are the first famous words uttered by Jesus when answering the Jew’s questions about the poll tax. It is from this statement that Western democracies derive the notion of a separation between church and state, religion and politics.

Here’s why the Christian interpretation of what Jesus (allegedly) said is unsound and self-defeatist:

1. Since Western Europe and the rest of the Western political world doesn’t take into consideration what the Bible teaches, a lot of things that are allowed to promulgate in their societies act as very viruses for Christianity as a whole.

For example, ideas and lifestyles like Communism and homosexual marriage are allowed to be freely adopted, and publicly consumed. The result of all this is an ever-eroding landscape of Christian values, and the further alienation of Christianity as a relevant source of inspiration on all levels of civilization.

2. It acts as a corollary from our first point to declare that the outer reflection of a society that does not refer to Christian apologetics will exhibit behavior that is often the polar opposite of Christian teachings. For instance, one can blame the horrific actions of the past crusaders on the insistence of the West to separate Christianity from state affairs. Indeed, if the crusaders were referring to “love thy enemy,” they wouldn’t have murdered over 10,000 civilians in the conquest Jerusalem.

Indeed, this is why Christianity lacks rules for things like war, or rules for pretty much anything related to state affairs. Because Christians don’t follow the Law, their faith can be characterized as mostly a private affair; a “feel-good” religion that may add some structure to an individual’s life, but nevertheless fails to occupy every dimension of human affairs.

Yes, this is why Christianity lacks Islamic concepts like Adab. This is also why “Christian” societies, or individuals who claim to be ardent Christians, see no problem in lampooning and denigrating non-Christian spiritual figures (Charlie Hebdo springs to mind). The reason for this may be because Christianity is rooted in the acceptance of personalities (Jesus); rather than to the submission to concepts like Oneness.

This explains why personal conviction (“Jesus died on the cross for me”) seems to be more important than outward conduct. Such an approach however is not good in the long run, nor is it sustainable.
 

Libnene Qu7

Super Ultra Senior Member
Orange Room Supporter
Yes of course, Christianity should learn from Islam on how to be victorious in wars and a promoter and spreader of advanced culture and humane societies. Many wonderful examples spring to mind such as Somalia and Mauritania. Of course, one can never forget the peaceful mountainous people of Afghanistan and the cleanest and most hygienic coastal civilization of Karachi in Pakistan.

Are you ****ing high or plane stupid? Rou7 ndab wleh.
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
Yes of course, Christianity should learn from Islam on how to be victorious in wars and a promoter and spreader of advanced culture and humane societies. Many wonderful examples spring to mind such as Somalia and Mauritania. Of course, one can never forget the peaceful mountainous people of Afghanistan and the cleanest and most hygienic coastal civilization of Karachi in Pakistan.

Are you ****ing high or plane stupid? Rou7 ndab wleh.
i personnally think that @NewLeb is subscribed to Misrepresent Everything magazine and is just testing out their teachings on the forum
 

NewLeb

Member
Yes of course, Christianity should learn from Islam on how to be victorious in wars and a promoter and spreader of advanced culture and humane societies. Many wonderful examples spring to mind such as Somalia and Mauritania. Of course, one can never forget the peaceful mountainous people of Afghanistan and the cleanest and most hygienic coastal civilization of Karachi in Pakistan.

Are you ****ing high or plane stupid? Rou7 ndab wleh.

You have a cannabis plant as a DP, and you’re asking if I’m high? Piss off, kid.
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
Ah, but consider what form it is in now, as opposed to a millennia, or even a century ago.
We need to see how much Islam can survive in this days, Internet social media and when people start to read and compare...
Fargouna ouwetkon hallak... Yalla..

In the ignorance era islam spread, in the enlightening era we see many many muslims craving to Buddhist and Hindu and Christian doctrines...
 

NewLeb

Member
We need to see how much Islam can survive in this days, Internet social media and when people start to read and compare...
Fargouna ouwetkon hallak... Yalla..

In the ignorance era islam spread, in the enlightening era we see many many muslims craving to Buddhist and Hindu and Christian doctrines...

Now you’re just projecting Christian history on Islam. Hindu and Greek texts were read and analyzed centuries ago by Muslim scholars. This wasn’t the case in Christian Europe, where such endeavors were considered blasphemous.
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
Now you’re just projecting Christian history on Islam. Hindu and Greek texts were read and analyzed centuries ago by Muslim scholars. This wasn’t the case in Christian Europe, where such endeavors were considered blasphemous.
Leik enta hon w anna hon 50 years Islam will be a small cult where it is rejected by most of human beings...
 

Ice Tea

Active Member
Actually, most Christians don't claim to be 'uniquely different' from Jews. Jews are the original chosen people and our Messiah was born Jewish. Jews are our forefathers and we are proud of it.
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
Yes of course, Christianity should learn from Islam on how to be victorious in wars and a promoter and spreader of advanced culture and humane societies. Many wonderful examples spring to mind such as Somalia and Mauritania. Of course, one can never forget the peaceful mountainous people of Afghanistan and the cleanest and most hygienic coastal civilization of Karachi in Pakistan.

Are you ****ing high or plane stupid? Rou7 ndab wleh.
see why i say i am more interested in the motivation to attack Christianity and find it more interesting than what they are actually saying? i really try to dissect that phenomena to better perceive what is pushing people in that direction. this is more than simple trolling. and this is part of the reason why i point out that Christ is the ultimate test for a person, regardless of whether they believe or not. some people are personally offended and provoked by the idea of Christ, and no matter if one describes it from a theological or a psychological perspective, the end result would still be the same: be wary of such people.
 

NewLeb

Member
see why i say i am more interested in the motivation to attack Christianity and find it more interesting than what they are actually saying? i really try to dissect that phenomena to better perceive what is pushing people in that direction. this is more than simple trolling. and this is part of the reason why i point out that Christ is the ultimate test for a person, regardless of whether they believe or not. some people are personally offended and provoked by the idea of Christ, and no matter if one describes it from a theological or a psychological perspective, the end result would still be the same: be wary of such people.

Lol, you whine about trolling and write a troll post.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
A common Christian talking point is that Christianity is uniquely different from Judaism and Islam in terms of how the second oldest Abrahamic faith approaches the political question.

“Render unto Ceaser.” Yes, these are the first famous words uttered by Jesus when answering the Jew’s questions about the poll tax. It is from this statement that Western democracies derive the notion of a separation between church and state, religion and politics.

Here’s why the Christian interpretation of what Jesus (allegedly) said is unsound and self-defeatist:

1. Since Western Europe and the rest of the Western political world doesn’t take into consideration what the Bible teaches, a lot of things that are allowed to promulgate in their societies act as very viruses for Christianity as a whole.

For example, ideas and lifestyles like Communism and homosexual marriage are allowed to be freely adopted, and publicly consumed. The result of all this is an ever-eroding landscape of Christian values, and the further alienation of Christianity as a relevant source of inspiration on all levels of civilization.

2. It acts as a corollary from our first point to declare that the outer reflection of a society that does not refer to Christian apologetics will exhibit behavior that is often the polar opposite of Christian teachings. For instance, one can blame the horrific actions of the past crusaders on the insistence of the West to separate Christianity from state affairs. Indeed, if the crusaders were referring to “love thy enemy,” they wouldn’t have murdered over 10,000 civilians in the conquest Jerusalem.

Indeed, this is why Christianity lacks rules for things like war, or rules for pretty much anything related to state affairs. Because Christians don’t follow the Law, their faith can be characterized as mostly a private affair; a “feel-good” religion that may add some structure to an individual’s life, but nevertheless fails to occupy every dimension of human affairs.

Yes, this is why Christianity lacks Islamic concepts like Adab. This is also why “Christian” societies, or individuals who claim to be ardent Christians, see no problem in lampooning and denigrating non-Christian spiritual figures (Charlie Hebdo springs to mind). The reason for this may be because Christianity is rooted in the acceptance of personalities (Jesus); rather than to the submission to concepts like Oneness.

This explains why personal conviction (“Jesus died on the cross for me”) seems to be more important than outward conduct. Such an approach however is not good in the long run, nor is it sustainable.

Christianity is irrelevant today. It's been defeated by secular governments long ago. Today, Islam is the real theistic threat to democratic ideals and secularisation. There are of course encouraging signs that globalisation is hastening the decline and ultimate demise of Islam. I give it 20-25 years max before we see it tamed like Christianity and in the dust bin of history.
 

NewLeb

Member
Christianity is irrelevant today. It's been defeated by secular governments long ago. Today, Islam is the real theistic threat to democratic ideals and secularisation. There are of course encouraging signs that globalisation is hastening the decline and ultimate demise of Islam. I give it 20-25 years max before we see it tamed like Christianity and in the dust bin of history.

Yes, indeed, Islam is the last religion to still take God and His prophets seriously. However, unlike Christianity, Islam isn’t threatened (at least to the same degree) by the same components that brought the former religion to its own demise. There remains a strong potential to renovate Islam, which will allow it to continue on for centuries to come.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
Yes, indeed, Islam is the last religion to still take God and His prophets seriously. However, unlike Christianity, Islam isn’t threatened (at least to the same degree) by the same components that brought the former religion to its own demise. There remains a strong potential to renovate Islam, which will allow it to continue on for centuries to come.

Since darwinism, theism has been in an uphill battle and in exponential decline since the start of the Information Age. No doubt Islam will reinvent itself multiple times to evolve with the times. But like Christianity, the end product will be vastly different from traditional Islam. From wolf to a poodle.
 

NewLeb

Member
Since darwinism, theism has been in an uphill battle and in exponential decline since the start of the Information Age. No doubt Islam will reinvent itself multiple times to evolve with the times. But like Christianity, the end product will be vastly different from traditional Islam. From wolf to a poodle.

That would entirely depend on what you mean by "traditional Islam.”
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
Since darwinism, theism has been in an uphill battle and in exponential decline since the start of the Information Age. No doubt Islam will reinvent itself multiple times to evolve with the times. But like Christianity, the end product will be vastly different from traditional Islam. From wolf to a poodle.

Traditional as it was centuries ago and also vastly different from modern Islam. In practice, there will be little resemblance. Scripturally, interpretations will evolve until they become so obviously detached from the original meaning and intent of the authors.
 

NewLeb

Member
Traditional as it was centuries ago and also vastly different from modern Islam. In practice, there will be little resemblance. Scripturally, interpretations will evolve until they become so obviously detached from the original meaning and intent of the authors.

But that only depends on how exactly said verses are interpreted. Interpreting them from a standpoint of strict rationalism is one thing; considering them from a metaphysical perspective is something else entirely. The only way for Islam to survive in the modern world is for it to take the latter approach. Otherwise, it will certainly end up like Christianity.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
But that only depends on how exactly said verses are interpreted. Interpreting them from a standpoint of strict rationalism is one thing; considering them from a metaphysical perspective is something else entirely. The only way for Islam to survive in the modern world is for it to take the latter approach. Otherwise, it will certainly end up like Christianity.

I would agree. It needs to become more like buddhism and focus on the spiritual aspects while going offline in the social, jurisprudence, and political arena.
 
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