Civil Marriage in Lebanon.. first step!

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Abou Sandal

Abou Sandal

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Stop dreaming guys.

At this moment in time and in these circumstances, the only "civil" thing we might get is a civil war.
 
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  • The Jade

    The Jade

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    18:43 شربل اكد لـ"النهار" توقيعه عقد زواج خلود ونضال المدني: أتمنى أن يفتح توقيعي ثغرة في جدار الطائفية


    الوزير قرطباوي لـ"النهار": توقيع الوزير شربل عقد الزواج المدني حدث هام في تاريخ لبنان
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

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    Where is everyone ??????????

    We wasted 59 pages, and now that the story comes, everyone is silent??

    Btw, even though Charbel had the last signature, had it not been for Chakib Cortaboui, this civil marriage would've never seen the light of day
     
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    MaKhassak

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    18:43 شربل اكد لـ"النهار" توقيعه عقد زواج خلود ونضال المدني: أتمنى أن يفتح توقيعي ثغرة في جدار الطائفية


    الوزير قرطباوي لـ"النهار": توقيع الوزير شربل عقد الزواج المدني حدث هام في تاريخ لبنان
    See Marwan Charbel is not as useless as he seems, what a nice slap in the face of the mufti and all other religious zealots!
     
    ecce homo

    ecce homo

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    Lebanon's first civil marriage registered: agency





    AFP - Lebanon's interior minister took the unprecedented step Thursday of registering a civil marriage contract after a years-long campaign to allow such unions in the multi-confessional country, the official news agency reported.

    "Marwan Charbel has signed the civil marriage contract of Nidal Darwish and Kholoud Sukkarieh, the first Lebanese couple to celebrate a civil union" on home soil, the National News Agency said.

    Lebanon has a population of some four million people with Muslims -- Sunnis and Shiites -- making up the majority but with a Christian minority of around 35 percent and a sprinkling of other religions.

    Sukkarieh and Darwish's campaign to register their marriage began more than a year ago. It started in secret to sidestep political obstacles, but in recent months their story triggered a massive debate over whether civil unions should be allowed in Lebanon.

    Most faiths have their own regulations governing marriage, divorce and inheritance, and mixed Christian-Muslim weddings in Lebanon are discouraged unless one of the two converts.

    Despite some clerics and politicians rejecting Darwish and Sukkarieh's union, public figures including President Michel Sleiman have been overwhelmingly supportive of the step.

    "Congratulations on the registration of Kholoud and Nidal's marriage contract," Sleiman posted on Twitter on Thursday.

    Speaking to private news network LBC, Darwish described the registration as "the first victory for the civil state in Lebanon, the state we all dream of".

    He echoed calls for a state for all its citizens in Lebanon, rather than a nation fractured along sectarian lines.

    "I am very happy today, and I never had any fear that my marriage to Nidal would not be legal," Sukkarieh told LBC.

    "This is Lebanon's first historic step" towards institutionalising civil marriage, she added.

    Sukkarieh is four months pregnant, the broadcaster reported.

    The couple's efforts to legalise their civil union "is a good thing for us all" in Lebanon, their lawyer Talal al-Husseini said.

    "We have here a situation where something could have been legal all along, but where the right to practise civil marriage was blocked," he told AFP.

    Lebanese authorities have all along recognised civil marriages registered abroad, and it has become common for mixed-faith couples to marry in nearby Cyprus.

    Rather than follow that route, however, Sukkarieh and Darwish decided to work with legal advisers to try to create new jurisprudence, despite no history of civil marriage in Lebanon.

    Both had their sect, Shiite and Sunni Muslim, legally struck from their "sejel an-nufoos" or family register, to be wed as a secular couple under an article dating from the 1936 French mandate that makes reference to civil unions.


    "They decided to stand before the Lebanese state as citizens, not as members of this or that sect," said Husseini.

    "Now that they have established this precedent, there is no going back. It is a big success, and it gives the right to others to follow suit," he added.

    Kholoud Sukkariyeh (R) and Nidal Darwish, who got married in defiance of Lebanon's ban on civil unions, pose for a picture next to Beiurt's landmark Pigeon Rock on January 25, 2013. Lebanon's interior minister took the unprecedented step of registering their civil marriage contract after a long campaign to allow such unions in the multi-confessional country, the official news agency reported.

    A photo released by the Darwish family on January 22, 2013, shows Kholoud Sukkariyeh (L) and Nidal Darwish posing for a photograph during a photoshoot at an undisclosed location. Lebanon's interior minister took the unprecedented step of registering their civil marriage contract after a years-long campaign to allow such unions in the multi-confessional country, the official news agency reported.
     
    loubnaniTO

    loubnaniTO

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    if History will ever mention the name Michel Sleiman, it will mention this major milestone! (and NOTHING ELSE!).

    This is a major step towards a more civil(ized) society!

    What's next now? is it official? anyone can do it?? no need for government or parliament to ratify anything? is the Mufti's threat rendered useless???

    MABROUK... let's use this momentum to keep this going.

    While Marwan Charbel is still interior minister, we should have a MASS civil marriage for all those who are interested... if many do it, no one will dare "reverse" the ruling later!
     
    Astarte aka Ishtar

    Astarte aka Ishtar

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    اول زواج مدني في لبنان




    النهار - وقع وزير الداخلية والبلديات العميد مروان شربل على تسجيل عقد زواج نضال درويش وخلود سكرية اول ثنائي لبناني افتتح هذا الزواج في 10/1/2012 في سجلات المديرية العامة للأحول الشخصية مع التأكيد على ضرورة التنفيذ، بعدما كانت المديرية ردته في وقت سابق.

    واشترط الوزير شربل عدم تغيير طائفتيهما والتزامهما اتباع قانون الاحوال الشخصية المعمول به في كل ما يتصل بمفاعيل هذا الزواج في حالات الارث والطلاق والاولاد لان لا وجود في القانون للطائفة 19 اي من "لا ينتمي الى طائفة" وذلك ضمانا لحقوقهما وحقوق اولادهما الى حين صدور قانون مدني للاحوال الشخصية ينظم الزواج المدني الاختياري واستتباعاته.

    واستند شربل في قراره الذي اتخذه الى اراء مجموعة من القانونيين والحقوقيين الذين كلفهم دراسة هذه القضية منذ عقد زواج نضال وخلود، بعدما تحول الى قضية خلافية على مستوى الوطن بين رؤساء الطوائف الروحية من جهة وبعض هيئات المجتمع المدني والمنظمات الشبابية من جهة ثانية نظرا لحساسية الملف وتداخل الاعتبارات الروحية والدينية بالعوامل المدنية والادارية، ما دفع الفريق الشبابي الى تنظيم تظاهرات واعتصامات مطالبا باقرار قانون مدني للاحوال الشخصية ينظم الزواج المدني الاختياري ما دامت الدولة تعترف بأي زواج يجري خارج لبنان ما يضطر الراغبين بالاقدام على الخطوة الى السفر لعقد الزواج في احد البلدان التي تشرع هذه الخطوة.

    وكانت الهيئة الاستشارية العليا في وزارة العدل اصدرت رأيها وايدت القرار رقم 6 ر.م. الصادر عام 1936 الذي ينظم الاحوال الشخصية ويسمح لمن لا طائفة له بالزواج. وعلى الاثر تمنى وزير العدل شكيب قرطباوي على الوزير شربل اكمال الخطوة والسير برأي الهيئة مع الاشارة الى ان نضال وخلود سبق ان عقدا زواجهما قبل اقدامهما على خطوة المدني وحصّنا وضعهما العائلي بحسب القانون القائم والساري المفعول حاليا.

    الجدير ذكره ان الرئيس الراحل الياس الهراوي كان طرح مشروعه للاحوال الشخصية الذي يتبنى الزواج المدني الاختياري في مجلس الوزراء الا ان المشروع لم يمر لاعتراضه من قبل فريق سياسي واسع كان في مقدمه الرئيس رفيق الحريري، كما ان الرئيس ميشال سليمان ايد هذا الزواج باعتباره حرية شخصية ودعا الى قوننته باعتباره خطوة من خطوات الغاء الطائفية وتعزيز العيش المشترك

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    Weezy

    Weezy

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    Reminder to all muslims out there

    Every Muslim agreeing to have a civil marriage is officially declared an infidel, prohibited from being buried among muslims and is not prayed on (death prayer)

    Dar el fatwa
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

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    Reminder to all muslims out there

    Every Muslim agreeing to have a civil marriage is officially declared an infidel, prohibited from being buried among muslims and is not prayed on (death prayer)

    Dar el fatwa
    Any muslim ready to have a civil marriage could not care less what dar el fatwa would say.
     
    Salmoun

    Salmoun

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    I believe that this obsolescent and bourgeoise tradition called mariage must be abandoned. A free unformal union would be more than sufficient.
     
    Mistletos

    Mistletos

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    Yes it's up to him to decide. Either infidelity or civil marriage.
    It's to every person to decide: freedom of choice or acceptance by a religious community...
    I choose freedom
     
    loubnaniTO

    loubnaniTO

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    Reminder to all muslims out there

    Every Muslim agreeing to have a civil marriage is officially declared an infidel, prohibited from being buried among muslims and is not prayed on (death prayer)

    Dar el fatwa
    this is coming from the Mufri who has been declared "infidel" by the Sunni ex prime ministers....

    I bet you more muslims will go for civil marriage just to make a point.
     
    loubnaniTO

    loubnaniTO

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    Yes it's up to him to decide. Either infidelity or civil marriage.
    you mean to say civil marriage MEANS infidelity... not either or, cause if it's a choice, then civil marriage is the easy answer :biggrin:
     
    leb-wi-noss

    leb-wi-noss

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    Yes it's up to him to decide. Either infidelity or civil marriage.
    Maybe the mufti should clear his name and the name of his son of corruption accusations before preaching others. I'm sure God suspended his license :)
     
    Weezy

    Weezy

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    Maybe the mufti should clear his name and the name of his son of corruption accusations before preaching others. I'm sure God suspended his license :)
    All dar el fatwa muftis, with and against kabbani, agree with this fatwa. We have a consensus.
     
    leb-wi-noss

    leb-wi-noss

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    All dar el fatwa muftis, with and against kabbani, agree with this fatwa. We have a consensus.
    Not only the muftis, even the priests and the patriarch. They all have a consensus to stand between loving souls to keep this profitable business.
     
    L'arbalette

    L'arbalette

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    you mean to say civil marriage MEANS infidelity... not either or, cause if it's a choice, then civil marriage is the easy answer :biggrin:
    You're using Webster dictionary... You should use Weezy dictionary of (il)logic.

    Anyways, great first step, and hopefully despite Weezy's empty threats (as if Man decides what God authorizes or not), civil unions will blossom in Lebanon
     
    Weezy

    Weezy

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    You're using Webster dictionary... You should use Weezy dictionary of (il)logic.

    Anyways, great first step, and hopefully despite Weezy's empty threats (as if Man decides what God authorizes or not), civil unions will blossom in Lebanon
    It's not my threat. All Ulema in Lebanon have made it clear that civil marriage means kufur.
     
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