Civil Marriage in Lebanon.. first step!

Whats your view about marriage?


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CitizenOfTheRepublic

CitizenOfTheRepublic

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It's not my threat. All Ulema in Lebanon have made it clear that civil marriage means kufur.
How is it kufur for the couple that started it if they did a religious ceremony too? Those ulema are confused...
 
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    Jo

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    12:07 العلماء المسلمون: توقيع شربل اول زواج مدني خرق فاضح للدستور وندعوا إلى سحب فتيل الفتنة فورا​
     
    Robin Hood

    Robin Hood

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    It's not my threat. All Ulema in Lebanon have made it clear that civil marriage means kufur.
    So now your Ulema can add to God rules?
    Tell me what exactly makes civil marriage kufr? Even people who don't pray are not considered kafirs.
     
    Weezy

    Weezy

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    12:07 العلماء المسلمون: توقيع شربل اول زواج مدني خرق فاضح للدستور وندعوا إلى سحب فتيل الفتنة فورا​
    Today's friday prayer was about this incident too. Extremely harsh to say the least.
     
    Mistletos

    Mistletos

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    Today's friday prayer was about this incident too. Extremely harsh to say the least.
    To hell with the mufti, the ulema, and all those opposing civil marriage along with the Friday prayers, Saturday prayers and Sunday prayers... Yale ma baddo ma yitjawwaz madani! If they think they can force their opinion on everybody else they have another thing coming!
     
    Danny Z

    Danny Z

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    12:07 العلماء المسلمون: توقيع شربل اول زواج مدني خرق فاضح للدستور وندعوا إلى سحب فتيل الفتنة فورا​

    كل ما دق الكوز بالجرة فتنة
    can they shut the hell up before the fitna takes them first. Always threatening us with fitna those devils, either they want things their way or they want fitna.
     
    loubnaniTO

    loubnaniTO

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    12:07 العلماء المسلمون: توقيع شربل اول زواج مدني خرق فاضح للدستور وندعوا إلى سحب فتيل الفتنة فورا​
    it's funny how every time people fight for loving each other and wanting to be with each other, HELL BREAKS LOOSE and becomes a recipe for FETNE and war...

    but army soldiers assassinated in Ersel, an MP in North shooting in the air after a fight with the security forces, and sending armed militias from Lebanon to fight against each other in Syria are all JUUUUUST FINE!

    Lebanon ken be alf kheir lawma fawwatouna be hal civil marriage.... now we might have a civil war!
     
    CitizenOfTheRepublic

    CitizenOfTheRepublic

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    Today's friday prayer was about this incident too. Extremely harsh to say the least.
    Ya khayyeh I am failing to understand one thing here: How is it that someone like that couple who did a religious wedding but registered a civil one in the state of Lebanon kufur? Ma that is the exact same thing that Lebanese abroad do and that is accepted in Lebanon by the same Ulemas I believe. Is there some magic that happens if one travels outside of Lebanon?
    In any case, let your Ulemas excommunicate them and let's move on. From what I understand, the constitutionality of it is pretty sound and they will not be able to garner enough votes in parliament to reverse it even if mini-Hariri switches back to their camp. **** those French!
     
    elias-aj

    elias-aj

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    Today's friday prayer was about this incident too. Extremely harsh to say the least.
    Well, this is Lebanon. One day, they will have to accept the country in its diversity and to accept the fact that they're sharing the country with people of different cultural and religious backgrounds. They'll also have to come to fully understand the notion of individual freedoms and that a sunni can convert to buddhism if he wishes so and could even aspire for having a civil marriage. This being said, that they oppose civil marriage and don't recognize it is OK - after all, separation between the state and the religious institutions implies the existence of two separate "legal" entities. However, posing threats, especially to public order, shouldn't be accepted. By doing so, they're acting like thugs and they're creating, themselves, the conditions for a confrontation.
     
    L'arbalette

    L'arbalette

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    Today's friday prayer was about this incident too. Extremely harsh to say the least.
    Agreed... This is unacceptable. I think we should purify Lebanon of all of these kufur:

    - Let's start with HA (of course, top of your list)
    - Then the ones who support civil wedding
    - Then the ones who support Gay rights
    - Then the ones who eat pig meat and drink wine
    - Then the ones who don't support Al Nusra and the other Syrian Terrorists

    Then you can offer a benevolent protection to all the remaining "non-Sunni" so they can leave in peace under a 7th century rule...

    All this points to one thing, we have a backward mentality in a backward country that keeps going backwards...

    Let couples do what they want people!!! If they want to get a civil marriage, who are we to forbid them?
     
    Aoune32!

    Aoune32!

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    Who gives a shit about the civil marriage issue?
    We as christians believe that marriage is a holy mystery a sacrament something that is blessed. Most of the westerners these days get married in church whilst some people from our part of the world want to get married whilst GOD is not involved.
    They only want to get married civil due to them being from different sects. They find it as a scapegoat. It is the only way each can stay as their sect and get married.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Who gives a shit about the civil marriage issue?
    We as christians believe that marriage is a holy mystery a sacrament something that is blessed. Most of the westerners these days get married in church whilst some people from our part of the world want to get married whilst GOD is not involved.
    They only want to get married civil due to them being from different sects. They find it as a scapegoat. It is the only way each can stay as their sect and get married.
    No people want to get married civil to get equal rights and not have togo through the religious mafia extortion scheme
     
    Aoune32!

    Aoune32!

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    No people want to get married civil to get equal rights and not have togo through the religious mafia extortion scheme
    w min 2alak civil marriage gives equal rights?
    Who said that if you don't get married in a church equal rights are not present? People are getting married civil due to them being from different sects. It is a scapegoat for each to stay the same sect without converting to the other sect.
     
    The Blind Monk

    The Blind Monk

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    w min 2alak civil marriage gives equal rights?
    Who said that if you don't get married in a church equal rights are not present? People are getting married civil due to them being from different sects. It is a scapegoat for each to stay the same sect without converting to the other sect.
    If it is their choice, why do you feel entitled to deprive them from it?
    Religious institutions act like dictatorships, they won't even let people live freely.
     
    Aoune32!

    Aoune32!

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    If it is their choice, why do you feel entitled to deprive them from it?
    Religious institutions act like dictatorships, they won't even let people live freely.
    They are free to do as they please. I wont be stopping them. I am just saying it is being used in a way that is not meant for its original purpose.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    w min 2alak civil marriage gives equal rights?
    Who said that if you don't get married in a church equal rights are not present? People are getting married civil due to them being from different sects. It is a scapegoat for each to stay the same sect without converting to the other sect.
    Lol ma hada alle chi, its written down as a law, civil marrige does give more equal rights in civilized countries.
    Do som research
     
    Abou Sandal

    Abou Sandal

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    Civil marriage should be regulated legally, as one among the many options available for the form of marriages in Lebanon.
    It's a matter of choice. And this choice is as legitimate as others. So it should be made available and protected, just like others.

    Religious Parties and institutions should have no say in such matter. I'm not sure why we allow them to even think that this is depending on their wish and/or will.

    This matter is one that is directly between the citizen and the State, and doesn't concern anyone else. So Ma Khass El Mufti Wel Batrak Wel Sheikh Bel Mawdou3....Allowing them to even think that they have a say in it, means comforting them in their thinking that people are not free citizens, but just followers that they own.

    You want your rights? Fine. But first, stop asking for the permission of the one who doesn't want you to get them. He is neither indispensable nor relevant, so stop giving him more weight than he ever dreams of having.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Civil marriage should be regulated legally, as one among the many options available for the form of marriages in Lebanon.
    It's a matter of choice. And this choice is as legitimate as others. So it should be made available and protected, just like others.

    Religious Parties and institutions should have no say in such matter. I'm not sure why we allow them to even think that this is depending on their wish and/or will.

    This matter is one that is directly between the citizen and the State, and doesn't concern anyone else. So Ma Khass El Mufti Wel Batrak Wel Sheikh Bel Mawdou3....Allowing them to even think that they have a say in it, means comforting them in their thinking that people are not free citizens, but just followers that they own.

    You want your rights? Fine. But first, stop asking for the permission of the one who doesn't want you to get them. He is neither indispensable nor relevant, so stop giving him more weight than he ever dreams of having.
    civil marriage should even be mandatory, this should be the only acceptable contract as far as the state is concerned. whereas religious marriage should be optional. the folks who want to hold a religious ceremony out of convictions should have that option, as long as they register their marriage as a civil one in the state as well, under a law that treats all citizens as equals, but this is where the problems begin, with inheritance, divorce, polygamy, etc...

    how easy are these conflicts to solve not only with the religious institutions, but with rather with the people themselves? can the state ensure that women could inherit just as men can from their parents? could the state enforce a strict non polygamy law? it is not an easy problem to address in a country where we forget to clean the waterways every single year before winter and where we have to periodically lose power because we cannot sign the funds release orders for the fuel ships on time..
     
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