Clashes in Khaldeh 27-08-2020 [Breaking : Renewed Clashes, initial reports 5 dead 01-08-2021]

Savo

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Fake news 🖕

 

Sayyid Jewry

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Hashem salman was killed in front of the iranian embassy while the army watches

joe bejjanny worked with the army

samer hanna was an army pilot

salim 3ayyash had posters of him erected everywhere

nawaf mousawi walks into a police station and shoots a guy

tahrib 3ayne w 3aynak ya tejir

etc
Etc

And people wonder why people don’t trust this state and get armed and make trouble.

the root cause of the issue is clear but people have their heads buried deep in the mud and you know what’s the worst part of it ? Some of them are doing it for a ministry here and a presidential seat there.
Disgusting.
Did Schenker tell you this?
@HalaMadrid (ma3 ta7affozati 3ala lma3na lmozdawaj la 2ismik)
 

Sayyid Jewry

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The christians dont depend on the Army as they didnt depend on them in the 70s. We know this Army will be divided as soon as a civil war starts again. No weapons, Men who came from militias (mostly lousy bums who have nothing else to do and need to earn a living) and men who are enlisted from the poor states in Lebanon ie Akkar, Nabatiyeh, Baalbeck etc where the state has been long gone. Army 2al 😂
There are elements in the Lebanese Army that are loyal to the State, including high level commanders and officers. We need to support those and empower them within the Army institution. (No I am not talking about the pro-Aoun who support the State within the State, Hizbullah).
 

flag-waver

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There are elements in the Lebanese Army that are loyal to the State, including high level commanders and officers. We need to support those and empower them within the Army institution. (No I am not talking about the pro-Aoun who support the State within the State, Hizbullah).

I am not against capturing any person who shoots or holds illegal arms. Those extremists in Khaldeh needed to be caught BUT the other side was also holding arms during the funeral procession and one of their boys also killed a kid 1 year ago. Why was he never caught? This is the issue. If the roof of the state is under ALL then no problem but if it is under some and some not then we have an issue. This is ONLY the start anyways.
 

SeaAb

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I am not against capturing any person who shoots or holds illegal arms. Those extremists in Khaldeh needed to be caught BUT the other side was also holding arms during the funeral procession and one of their boys also killed a kid 1 year ago. Why was he never caught? This is the issue. If the roof of the state is under ALL then no problem but if it is under some and some not then we have an issue. This is ONLY the start anyways.
Everyone keeps repeating in the thread that the boy was killed last year by Ali Shebli. We do not know that for sure. There are conflicting reports about it. We don't even know if Ali Shebli was actually wanted by the authorities all this time or not.
 

flag-waver

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Everyone keeps repeating in the thread that the boy was killed last year by Ali Shebli. We do not know that for sure. There are conflicting reports about it. We don't even know if Ali Shebli was actually wanted by the authorities all this time or not.

Then why wasnt it opened by the LAF to see if it was he who killed the boy? why is it just covered up and thrown in the dumpster. im not saying the so called sheikh shouldnt be caught bas 1 rule for everyone.
 

SeaAb

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Then why wasnt it opened by the LAF to see if it was he who killed the boy? why is it just covered up and thrown in the dumpster. im not saying the so called sheikh shouldnt be caught bas 1 rule for everyone.
It's not LAF's job to investigate. Bass anyways, the concept of justice in our country is nonexistent.
 

Patriot

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Everyone keeps repeating in the thread that the boy was killed last year by Ali Shebli. We do not know that for sure. There are conflicting reports about it. We don't even know if Ali Shebli was actually wanted by the authorities all this time or not.

Let me remind you that the kid's murder resulted in a clash between the ghosn's and the shibli's last year
and the shebli's were forced to leave khaldeh.
So please don't play the 'we do not know for sure' card, because the Ghosn's know for sure who they were shooting against last year.
Shebli's were involved.
it is the responsiblity of the state to capture the killers who were by the way filmed while committing their murder
bass in Lebanon it's widely known that when a case like this one gets buried, it means that the culprits are HA
 

flag-waver

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أكد مصدر سياسي لصحيفة "الشرق الأوسط" أن جميع الأفرقاء الذين كانوا معنيين مباشرة بتجدّد الاشتباكات أو متهيّبين لاستيقاد الفتنة الطائفية، مارسوا ضبط النفس وضغطوا لتطويق مفاعيلها، تاركين للقضاء اللبناني التحرك لتحديد المسؤوليات بدلاً من التسرُّع في إطلاق الأحكام المسبقة.

ولفت المصدر السياسي إلى وجود تقصير في معالجة المشكلة منذ أن ذهب ضحية الاشتباكات فتى من آل غصن في العام الماضي، وكان يُفترض بالمعنيين أكانوا من مواقعهم السياسية أو الرسمية التحرُّك فوراً لتطويق ذيولها بمبادرة "حزب الله" إلى تسليم المتهم بقتله في مقابل خلق المناخ المناسب لإتمام مصالحة ولو على الطريقة العشائرية بين الحزب وذوي الضحية والعشيرة التي ينتمي إليها بدلاً من أن تترك ذيولها ومضاعفاتها تتفاعل ليحصل ما حصل.
وألقى المصدر السياسي باللوم على المعنيين لأنهم لم يتداركوا كل ما ترتّب على سوء التقدير والخلل من ردود ثأرية من شأنها أن تهدد الاستقرار في خلدة التي تعد من المناطق المختلطة التي توجد فيها معظم الطوائف، ويقول إن الحزب هو أعلم من غيره بالتقاليد العشائرية بتدخله بين العشائر في البقاع الشمالي لإتمام المصالحات لتفويت الفرصة على معاودة جرائم الثأر.

وراى المصدر أن لا مصلحة للحزب إلا في الانخراط في مساعي التهدئة والتسليم بدور الأجهزة الأمنية للقبض على الفاعلين وتسليمهم للقضاء اللبناني، بحسب ما أورده في البيان الذي أصدره مساء أول من أمس، وإن كان هناك من يتعاطى مع التهديدات التي أطلقها النائب فضل الله على أنها مطلوبة لاستيعاب ردود الفعل الغاضبة داخل بيئته الحاضنة.

ودعا المصدر نفسه إلى عدم التذرُّع بوجود ثغرة أمنية للتسلُّل من خلالها لتوجيه التهمة إلى القوى الأمنية، وعلى رأسها المؤسسة العسكرية في محاولة يروّج لها البعض للدخول في تصفية الحسابات مع قائد الجيش العماد جوزيف عون، وكان يُفترض بحزب الله التحسُّب وقائياً لتأمين انتقال موكب تشييع شبلي من منزله في خلدة إلى مسقطه في بلدة كونين قضاء بنت جبيل في الجنوب ومن خلال قيامه بالتحضيرات اللوجيستية والأمنية لتفادي حصول أي احتكاك في منطقة ملتهبة سياسياً.
ويضيف أن كلامه عن عدم تحسُّب الحزب لردود الفعل لا يعني بالضرورة موافقته على كل ما حصل وصولاً إلى انحيازه إلى خصوم الحزب بمقدار ما أن الأخير هو صاحب تجربة أمنية ولديه إلمام في هذا المجال، وكان يمكنه تفويت الفرصة على من يتهمه بالاصطياد في المياه العكرة أو تنفيذه لأجندة خارجية.

 

flag-waver

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You believe the LAF soldiers investigate murders? They issue a statement explaining what went down, in general. That's it. The judiciary takes it from there.
judiciary is a joke in our country. never any good came from them.
 

SeaAb

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Let me remind you that the kid's murder resulted in a clash between the ghosn's and the shibli's last year
and the shebli's were forced to leave khaldeh.
So please don't play the 'we do not know for sure' card, because the Ghosn's know for sure who they were shooting against last year.
Shebli's were involved.
it is the responsiblity of the state to capture the killers who were by the way filmed while committing their murder
bass in Lebanon it's widely known that when a case like this one gets buried, it means that the culprits are HA
1 side claims Ali Shebli killed the boy, the other says that he was shot by friendly fire during the altercation. You are free to believe whichever scenario. They're all just alleged claims for now, that's all I'm saying.
 

flag-waver

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1 side claims Ali Shebli killed the boy, the other says that he was shot by friendly fire during the altercation. You are free to believe whichever scenario. They're all just alleged claims for now, that's all I'm saying.

the point is that anything related to HA never gets investigated just sweeped under the rug. This is the problem.
 

Patriot

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1 side claims Ali Shebli killed the boy, the other says that he was shot by friendly fire during the altercation. You are free to believe whichever scenario. They're all just alleged claims for now, that's all I'm saying.

sorry but this is bullshit
there's a video that documents the murder and the boy was shot at directly
up until that point there were no clashes, the clash happened afterwards as a result.

besides, 1 year later not one person was brought to justice due to how biased this state is.
 

flag-waver

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sorry but this is bullshit
there's a video that documents the murder and the boy was shot at directly
up until that point there were no clashes, the clash happened afterwards as a result.

besides, 1 year later not one person was brought to justice due to how biased this state is.

what state man? the country is gone and soon we will see 100 Khaldehs.
 

Patriot

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what state man? the country is gone and soon we will see 100 Khaldehs.

The state is just a camouflage man
HA is the state and it is becoming clearer and clearer by the day
and as a result all the lebanese who reject that reality (the majority of the lebanese ya3neh) are going to get armed and take matters at their own hands, khaldeh was just 1 tiny sample of what is to come.
 
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