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I am really puzzled by you. You just changed the topic. I did not mention, Christian, Muslim, or Religion. I did not say you need religion to be a moral person. I asked you a very simple question:
what on earth do black slaves have to do with Christianity? do not feel obligated to throw something at Christ & Christianity when you do not have the rational ammunition for it. "slaves, obey your masters" is that it? if this is indeed what you had in mind, which i doubt, could you not simply discuss directly without serpenting around? the ignorance gets a bit repulsive after a while. don't you feel the need to conduct one smart argument every now and then?
i could care less if you attack Christianity or spend your time sneaking after Christ and Christians, or if you spare no attempt at mockeries. i am more concerned about the lack of class and grace with which you go about your convictions, i simply find it demeaning and end up feeling embarrassed for you and your other friends. is it that hard to present an argument of substance?
quite intriguing if you ask me.. how exactly can you demote what is intellectually & morally superior from anything that you have to offer?
but is ok, keep dreaming. you are not the first person who has had such dreams, and you will not be the last of course, history is full of people who were expecting Christianity to crumble in a relatively near future to their lifetime. they are all gone now, and here we are today.
aim for something meaningful next time around.
This is irrelevant to the question. But I will entertain you, why should the Golden Rule be upheld?
Does not answer the question, why is taking away someone's hard work and years of savings wrong?Stealing is wrong because you're taking away someone's hard work and years of savings.
Why is life valuable? Given that it is a random collection of molecules, it should have no value, just like all other molecules. If you disagree, can you tell me why is life valuable?Killing is wrong because you're taking away someone's most valuable thing, their life.
Very cute, but not related to the post.That said, I'm a big advocate of killing in self defense. Because when someone puts your life at risk, they've already broken the Golden Rule and given you the permission to kill them.(I hope my enemies are taking notes)
I hope this helped answer your question.
let's get you on par with the current understanding of Christianity this day and age before you move on to lecturing what was the prevailing understanding of Christianity in the 17th and 18th century.
the reality of the matter is the abolishing of slavery began exclusively in the Christian world in the middle ages. it didn't begin in china, nor did it begin in judea, nor did it begin in the arabic world, nor in tibet, nor in north korea.
if slavery being 'a fact of life' a) was the prevalent human understanding irrespective of Christianity, and b) was and is changed and validly/coherently abolished/unsupported precisely because of and via Christianity (its foundation or that without which there would be no Christianity), then 1) Christianity is at the very least a necessary factor in abolishing slavery 2) non or anti Christianity is a necessary factor in condoning slavery, 3) any claimed interpretation of Christianity that condones slavery is invalid, 4) doctrines (or mindsets) constitue an essential element in condoning and abolishing slavery, 5) a doctrine or a mindset that doesnt validly/coherently (i.e without self-contradicting or without contradicting its essence) oppose/abolish slavery supports slavery, and 6) idiotic/wicked people (only) would claim otherwise
He doesn't have to watch it. But then he shouldn't waste our time throwing baseless statements around, on a topic he knows nothing of, and which he is too lazy to learn about.
It is a silly argument. I can take any great thinker or philosopher, give my own interpretation to his or her ideas, and act accordingly...but only the ignorant would associate my actions to the thinker or philosopher himself or herself.
People being Christian does not automatically absolve them from sin. On the contrary, Christian doctrine teaches that we are all guilty of sin. Accordingly, it is not surprising that Christians throughout history practiced slavery, despite the teachings of Christ. But that is very different from the claim you're making that Church authorities condoned slavery.
Slavery and the Catholic Church :: Catholic News Agency
Saint Claver, the Slave of Slaves
Peter Claver - Wikipedia
Posting a video is you wasting his time, not the other way around. You can simply exit the thread and forget about it.
Like I stated earlier, members should be able to use the forum without having to view external material. If you want to present external material, you have to write it up here on the forum.
No one is preventing him from using the forum. But if he or anyone else makes faulty statements then he should expect to be corrected. Whether it's through a post, or an article, or a video, it's totally irrelevant.
If there's material out there explaining something perfectly well, what is the point of me repeating the same thing? Anyone with a genuine interest on a topic will make the minimum required effort to review material in said topic. It's one video, not a master's degree.
But we already established that the goal is to mock, not to understand. The rest is just silly excuses. The forum is full of external material, be it videos or articles. Suddenly it's become an issue? Nah...he's just scared of finding nothing to reply and being put in his place.
I can't reply to your other post right now, I have to get going.
slavery was the norm in all the ancient world, and many popes and theologians condoned it, however the abolition of slavery began from Christendom and based on Christian values. the abolition of slavery began from the notion that all men are created equal, a concept that was strictly Christian.
you are imagining things.That got you so enraged, for reasons of your own unrelated to me, friend. Deal with your own issues on your own time, away from computer screen, the interwebz, and public scrutiny. Better for your mental health.
you are still true to your tradition in misunderstanding and misinterpreting. how you guys carry yourselves is your own individual business and your own right, and my feeling embarrassed and sorry for those who live through the 21st century with a regressive mentality is my own business as well.You feel whatever you want to feel -- what's that got to do with me?
My advice, pray brother. And pray some more, for me to see the light. Can I get an A-men.
me embracing Christianity has nothing much to do with my parents. i rejected all organized religion long before i found my way to Christ. which is yet another evidence, at least between me and myself, of your flawed perception. I have not build any image of Christianity that is different from its reality. i have studied it and understood it, and unlike you i am not inventing it in my mind at the expense of its reality simply so that i could argue for the sake of arguing.You see, in your mind, you built this image of Christianity that it is "intellectually and morally superior" to anything else in the world. The rest of us folks see it as just another mythology trekking along the timeline of our species, no more no less. Had your parents been Muslim, you'd be here selling us the virtues of Muhammad. If your religion was superior, you would've stopped brainwashing little children with it and instead let them choose their religion when they reach the age of consent and are exposed to a variety of other religions throughout their studies.
when the video is presented by a Catholic bishop strictly explaining the relevant doctrine and theology to point out a major component that you have misunderstood, then you either have to concede the point or argue based on the actual understanding and interpretation, not on the one you are trying to forcefully impose. rejecting the official reference and maintaining your erroneous claim is pretty vulgar, nonconstructive and uneducated; not to mention that it is very indicative of your intent to maliciously falsify a part of this discussion, indicating that truth is never your concern to start with; a conclusion that we can live with.I can't speak for him, but I never bother to view the vast majority of videos or links that are posted on this forum, or any other forum, regardless of my interest in the topic, or the reason I am participating in a discussion.
Guess old habits die hard.
wrong premises and wrong conclusion my friend. slavery was the norm in the ancient past but with the moral evolution catalyzed by Christian principles the abolition of slavery become possible.Christians supported slavery based on their Bible and they denounced it based on their Bible. That means two different understandings of Christianity at two different points in time. Exactly what I said. I suppose a thank you is in order.
Religious debates are more fun. Fiyon khabeet aktar. Never has ra3iyyit shabeb el tayyar been more shaken and riled up since the little atheist showed up
most atheists have an insatiable desire for trolling. it does indeed help them become better versions of themselves.