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Xynus87

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Supposedly.
But what if I told you they deny the twelve imams?
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It's not about "you're wrong and I'm right", but you're missing the point here. They are Twelver offshoots, and they are syncretic just like the Druze. They don't deny the twelve Imams, but they deny the Twelver view of them.

Corrected the mistakes :)
 
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  • NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    Well, then Muslims should stop saying Islam is a peaceful religion and admit it spread only due to violent wars and conquests, genocide and forced conversions.
    How come? Should Christians also do the same, since Christianity spread in an infinitely more violent fashion than Islam?
     
    Ice Tea

    Ice Tea

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    You're deflecting away from the thread. This is not a competition as to who can insult who's religion better. Please remain consistent and rational if you wish to continue the discussion. Acknowledge that the 2 religions are proselytizing religions and both have sets of rules for war.
    You're not being fair by comparing the two founders of the religion regardless of the environment in which these specific faiths came into being. How about Christianity in Scandinavia and the Baltic sea countries? Do you know how these people encountered Christianity?
    Not to mention there were numerous regions that adopted Islam without any Muslim army ever stepping foot on land, example: Indonesia, Malaysia, Mali, Senegal etc.
    Given you are a Christian believer, you certainly believe in Revelations, if you could do me a favour and tell me how the coming of the son of man is supposed to be.

    You're not getting it. Almost all the times Christians engaged in wars it was self-defense. In the case of Scandinavia for example, the barbaric and pagan Vikings had long been attacking and sacking the Christian parts of Europe. Another example Muslims love to cite: the Crusades. The Crusades only happens after centuries of Islamic jihad against Europe. Muslims were not satisfied with having conquered and destroyed the Holy Land where Christianity originated, they also wanted Constantinople and Rome and sacked and attacked both cities as well as several other parts of Europe countless times before the Crusades happened.

    Yes, both religions are proselytizing. But only one of them officially endorse to proselytize by the sword, that's difference. The messages of Jesus and Mohammed were polar different, and their messages are what matter the most to the respective religions.
     
    Saqar18

    Saqar18

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    Druze recognition:

    This was an incredible win for the syrian druze.

    Totally outnumbered, yet still won a decisive victory and had the general boosted out of his position ✅✅

    Hamza ibn ali says "a unitarian is brave by the virtue of his faith"
     

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    How come? Should Christians also do the same, since Christianity spread in an infinitely more violent fashion than Islam?
    القول ان المسيحية انتشرت بالعنف يدل على جهل الوقائع التاريخية التي تثبت عكس ذلك، اما الاشارة الى الحروب الصليبية فالمعروف ان هذه الحروب والنزاعات لم يدعو لها السيد المسيح ولا الإنجيل المقدس ولا اشترك فيها الرسل وهي حدثت بعد اكثر من الف سنة على انتشار المسيحية وبعد اكثر من ٤٠٠ سنة على سقوط آخر معاقل المسيحية في الشرق وبعد ان تعرض الغرب المسيحي للغزوات المتتالية، اما الحروب والغزوات عندغيرنا فقد دعت اليها كتبهم وقامت فور انطلاق دعوتهم الدينية وقد قاد الكثير منها مؤسس هذه الدعوة وخلفائه المباشرين بينما عندما استل بطرس سيفه وقطع اذن العبد ملخس الذي جاء لكييسلم المسيح في جبل الزيتون زجره يسوع وقال له : «رُدَّ سَيْفَكَ إِلَى مَكَانِهِ. لأَنَّ كُلَّ الَّذِينَ يَأْخُذُونَالسَّيْفَ بِالسَّيْفِ يَهْلِكُونَ! ، لذلك لا مجال للمقارنة بين الدعوة الى الصفح والمحبة والدعوة الى قتلالناس وحملهم على تغيير معتقداتهم بالقوة والعنف
     
    NewLeb

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    القول ان المسيحية انتشرت بالعنف يدل على جهل الوقائع التاريخية التي تثبت عكس ذلك، اما الاشارة الى الحروب الصليبية فالمعروف ان هذه الحروب والنزاعات لم يدعو لها السيد المسيح ولا الإنجيل المقدس ولا اشترك فيها الرسل وهي حدثت بعد اكثر من الف سنة على انتشار المسيحية وبعد اكثر من ٤٠٠ سنة على سقوط آخر معاقل المسيحية في الشرق وبعد ان تعرض الغرب المسيحي للغزوات المتتالية، اما الحروب والغزوات عندغيرنا فقد دعت اليها كتبهم وقامت فور انطلاق دعوتهم الدينية وقد قاد الكثير منها مؤسس هذه الدعوة وخلفائه المباشرين بينما عندما استل بطرس سيفه وقطع اذن العبد ملخس الذي جاء لكييسلم المسيح في جبل الزيتون زجره يسوع وقال له : «رُدَّ سَيْفَكَ إِلَى مَكَانِهِ. لأَنَّ كُلَّ الَّذِينَ يَأْخُذُونَالسَّيْفَ بِالسَّيْفِ يَهْلِكُونَ! ، لذلك لا مجال للمقارنة بين الدعوة الى الصفح والمحبة والدعوة الى قتلالناس وحملهم على تغيير معتقداتهم بالقوة والعنف
    What the gospel says is irrelevant. We are talking about how Christianity spread, and it spread in a very violent fashion. This is why the West is always projecting its violent image on Islam.
     
    modesty

    modesty

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    What the gospel says is irrelevant. We are talking about how Christianity spread, and it spread in a very violent fashion. This is why the West is always projecting its violent image on Islam.
    Give me one verse from the Christian book asking for violence or give me a battle name where Jesus or his disciples took part.
    While approximately half of the 6235 verses of the Koran legalise the use of violence on others
    250 verses that push Muslims to jihad, that is to say this new kind of perpetual and universal war against the whole world.
    1100 verses which are violent diatribes with insults, wishes of misfortunes, hatred and curses against the indefinite and innumerable category of disbelievers.
    1,500 verses of similar violence that specifically target pagans and other idolaters.
    200 verses of the same hate speech specially addressed to the Jews accompanied by grievances because of their beliefs considered as erroneous. 100 verses of the same hate speech specially addressed to Christians accompanied by attacks targeting their faith
     
    modesty

    modesty

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    What the gospel says is irrelevant. We are talking about how Christianity spread, and it spread in a very violent fashion. This is why the West is always projecting its violent image on Islam.
    This is a specimen of some Coranic verses asking for using violence on others
    آيات القتل والقتال في القرآن

    سورة التوبة الا ية29

    قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَالَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

    سورة محمد الاية 35

    فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنْتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَنْ يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ

    راجع تفسير القرطبي لقول النبي وَأَنَّ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

    قَالَ لَهُمْ : ( لَقَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِالذَّبْحِ وَبُعِثْت بِالْحَصَادِ وَلَمْ أُبْعَث بِالزِّرَاعَةِ )

    سورة ال عمران الاية 83

    أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ

    راجع قول القرطبي ان النبي قال لَا تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي فَإِنَّ

    أَصْحَابِي أَسْلَمُوا مِنْ خَوْف اللَّه وَأَسْلَمَ النَّاس مِنْ خَوْف السَّيْف

    سورة الممتحنة الاية 1

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا عَدُوِّي وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَقَدْ كَفَرُوا بِمَا جَاءَكُمْ مِنَ الْحَقِّيُخْرِجُونَ الرَّسُولَ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ رَبِّكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ خَرَجْتُمْ جِهَادًا فِي سَبِيلِي وَابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاتِيتُسِرُّونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِمَا أَخْفَيْتُمْ وَمَا أَعْلَنْتُمْ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْهُ مِنْكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاءَ

    سورة المائدة الاية 57

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا دِينَكُمْ هُزُوًا وَلَعِبًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْوَالْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَاءَ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ

    سورة الانفال الاية 60

    وَأَعِدُّوا لَهُمْ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَمِنْ رِبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِنْ دُونِهِمْ لَاتَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ وَمَا تُنْفِقُوا مِنْ شَيْءٍ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يُوَفَّ إِلَيْكُمْ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تُظْلَمُونَ

    سورة التوبة الاية 28

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةًفَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ

    سورة التوبة الاية 5

    فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّمَرْصَدٍ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

    تفسير ابن كثير قَالَ سُفْيَان بْن عُيَيْنَة قَالَ عَلِيّ بْن أَبِي طَالِب : بُعِثَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَبِأَرْبَعَةِ أَسْيَاف

    تفسير القرطبي نَسَخَتْ هَذِهِ كُلَّ آيَة فِي الْقُرْآن فِيهَا ذِكْر الْإِعْرَاض وَالصَّبْر عَلَى أَذَى

    سورة الانفال الاية 12

    إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلَائِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُوا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الرُّعْبَفَاضْرِبُوا فَوْقَ الْأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُوا مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ

    سورة الانفال الاية 39

    وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انْتَهَوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ بِمَا يَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ

    سورة محمد الاية 4

    فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّى إِذَا أَثْخَنْتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاءًحَتَّى تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ذَلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَانْتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَكِنْ لِيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُمْ بِبَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوافِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَنْ يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

    سورة الفتح الاية 16

    قُلْ لِلْمُخَلَّفِينَ مِنَ الْأَعْرَابِ سَتُدْعَوْنَ إِلَى قَوْمٍ أُولِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ تُقَاتِلُونَهُمْ أَوْ يُسْلِمُونَ فَإِنْ تُطِيعُوا يُؤْتِكُمُاللَّهُ أَجْرًا حَسَنًا وَإِنْ تَتَوَلَّوْا كَمَا تَوَلَّيْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ يُعَذِّبْكُمْ عَذَابًا أَلِيمً

    سورة الانفال الاية 65

    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ إِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَابِرُونَ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْمِائَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَ يفقهون

    سورة الاحزاب الاية 26

    وَأَنْزَلَ الَّذِينَ ظَاهَرُوهُمْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مِنْ صَيَاصِيهِمْ وَقَذَفَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الرُّعْبَ فَرِيقًا تَقْتُلُونَوَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقً

    سورة الاحزاب الاية 27

    وَأَوْرَثَكُمْ أَرْضَهُمْ وَدِيَارَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ وَأَرْضًا لَمْ تَطَئُوهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرً

    سورة التوبة الاية 14

    قَاتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنْصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُؤْمِنِينَ

    سورة الماءدة الاية 33

    إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَأَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ذَلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

    سورة البقرة الاية 193

    وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انْتَهَوْا فَلَا عُدْوَانَ إِلَّا عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ

    سورة التوبة الاية 12

    وَإِنْ نَكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ عَهْدِهِمْ وَطَعَنُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ فَقَاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لَا أَيْمَانَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ

    سورة التوبة الاية 123

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُوا فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ المتقين>​
     
    NewLeb

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    This is a specimen of some Coranic verses asking for using violence on others
    آيات القتل والقتال في القرآن

    سورة التوبة الا ية29

    قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَالَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

    سورة محمد الاية 35

    فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنْتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَنْ يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ

    راجع تفسير القرطبي لقول النبي وَأَنَّ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

    قَالَ لَهُمْ : ( لَقَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِالذَّبْحِ وَبُعِثْت بِالْحَصَادِ وَلَمْ أُبْعَث بِالزِّرَاعَةِ )

    سورة ال عمران الاية 83

    أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ

    راجع قول القرطبي ان النبي قال لَا تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي فَإِنَّ

    أَصْحَابِي أَسْلَمُوا مِنْ خَوْف اللَّه وَأَسْلَمَ النَّاس مِنْ خَوْف السَّيْف

    سورة الممتحنة الاية 1

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا عَدُوِّي وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَقَدْ كَفَرُوا بِمَا جَاءَكُمْ مِنَ الْحَقِّيُخْرِجُونَ الرَّسُولَ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ رَبِّكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ خَرَجْتُمْ جِهَادًا فِي سَبِيلِي وَابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاتِيتُسِرُّونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِمَا أَخْفَيْتُمْ وَمَا أَعْلَنْتُمْ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْهُ مِنْكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاءَ

    سورة المائدة الاية 57

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا دِينَكُمْ هُزُوًا وَلَعِبًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْوَالْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَاءَ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ

    سورة الانفال الاية 60

    وَأَعِدُّوا لَهُمْ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَمِنْ رِبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِنْ دُونِهِمْ لَاتَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ وَمَا تُنْفِقُوا مِنْ شَيْءٍ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يُوَفَّ إِلَيْكُمْ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تُظْلَمُونَ

    سورة التوبة الاية 28

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةًفَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ

    سورة التوبة الاية 5

    فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّمَرْصَدٍ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

    تفسير ابن كثير قَالَ سُفْيَان بْن عُيَيْنَة قَالَ عَلِيّ بْن أَبِي طَالِب : بُعِثَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَبِأَرْبَعَةِ أَسْيَاف

    تفسير القرطبي نَسَخَتْ هَذِهِ كُلَّ آيَة فِي الْقُرْآن فِيهَا ذِكْر الْإِعْرَاض وَالصَّبْر عَلَى أَذَى

    سورة الانفال الاية 12

    إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلَائِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُوا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الرُّعْبَفَاضْرِبُوا فَوْقَ الْأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُوا مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ

    سورة الانفال الاية 39

    وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انْتَهَوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ بِمَا يَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ

    سورة محمد الاية 4

    فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّى إِذَا أَثْخَنْتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاءًحَتَّى تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ذَلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَانْتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَكِنْ لِيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُمْ بِبَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوافِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَنْ يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

    سورة الفتح الاية 16

    قُلْ لِلْمُخَلَّفِينَ مِنَ الْأَعْرَابِ سَتُدْعَوْنَ إِلَى قَوْمٍ أُولِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ تُقَاتِلُونَهُمْ أَوْ يُسْلِمُونَ فَإِنْ تُطِيعُوا يُؤْتِكُمُاللَّهُ أَجْرًا حَسَنًا وَإِنْ تَتَوَلَّوْا كَمَا تَوَلَّيْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ يُعَذِّبْكُمْ عَذَابًا أَلِيمً

    سورة الانفال الاية 65

    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ إِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَابِرُونَ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْمِائَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَ يفقهون

    سورة الاحزاب الاية 26

    وَأَنْزَلَ الَّذِينَ ظَاهَرُوهُمْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مِنْ صَيَاصِيهِمْ وَقَذَفَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الرُّعْبَ فَرِيقًا تَقْتُلُونَوَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقً

    سورة الاحزاب الاية 27

    وَأَوْرَثَكُمْ أَرْضَهُمْ وَدِيَارَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ وَأَرْضًا لَمْ تَطَئُوهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرً

    سورة التوبة الاية 14

    قَاتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنْصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُؤْمِنِينَ

    سورة الماءدة الاية 33

    إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَأَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ذَلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

    سورة البقرة الاية 193

    وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انْتَهَوْا فَلَا عُدْوَانَ إِلَّا عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ

    سورة التوبة الاية 12

    وَإِنْ نَكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ عَهْدِهِمْ وَطَعَنُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ فَقَاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لَا أَيْمَانَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ

    سورة التوبة الاية 123

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُوا فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ المتقين>​
    First of all, it’s spelled “Qur’an.” But since you’re new, I’ll let that one slide.

    Secondly, you’ll first have to prove how violence is inherently evil, before we even bother with the verses.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    Give me one verse from the Christian book asking for violence or give me a battle name where Jesus or his disciples took part.
    While approximately half of the 6235 verses of the Koran legalise the use of violence on others
    250 verses that push Muslims to jihad, that is to say this new kind of perpetual and universal war against the whole world.
    1100 verses which are violent diatribes with insults, wishes of misfortunes, hatred and curses against the indefinite and innumerable category of disbelievers.
    1,500 verses of similar violence that specifically target pagans and other idolaters.
    200 verses of the same hate speech specially addressed to the Jews accompanied by grievances because of their beliefs considered as erroneous. 100 verses of the same hate speech specially addressed to Christians accompanied by attacks targeting their faith
    Why would Jesus fight in wars? He wasn’t a political leader. Moses was; Muhammad was- but Jesus wasn’t.

    You can’t logically argue that Jesus not engaging in violence means that violence is totally off-limits.

    But because Christians admired Jesus so much that they took him as God, they regard his expressions as Absolute Truth.

    Meaning, their religion is purely spiritual, and disregards God’s Law for mankind.

    Judaism lacks that merciful and loving aspect of Christianity, hence its somewhat harsh and rogue nature. Thus, Islam is a fusion of the Judaic Law system and Christian notions of mercy.

    It’s ying and yang my friend. ;)
     
    Dark Angel

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    I always noticed, since i was young that the druze mashayakh are consistently on the front lines. Pretty amazing.
    this is mainly because they are usually at the service of the political leadership du jour. in Christianity and in particular for people of the cloth, their commitment to God outranks everything else including political allignments, and consequently neutralizes their alliegences, as they thrive to remain independent and outside the spheres of political influences, though there are some minor exceptions here and there.

    it is not the case however with the druze clergy, they have their political alliegiences, in a system where the backing of the clergy consolidates the leadership itself and even forms its cornerstone. today, in the feuds between erslan junblat and wahhab, the clergy is also divided between them, with jumbi having the lion's share of course.
     
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    Xynus87

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    When did this become an interfaith discussion? If you wish to discuss religion then make a separate thread and I'll be the first to participate, instead of deleting my posts trying to focus on the theme of this thread.
     
    Saqar18

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    this is mainly because they are usually at the service of the political leadership du jour. in Christianity and in particular for people of the cloth, their commitment to God outranks everything else including political allignments, and consequently neutralizes their alliegences, as they thrive to remain independent and outside the spheres of political influences, though there are some minor exceptions here and there.
    it is not the case however with the druze clergy, they have their political alliegiences, in a system where the backing of the clergy consolidates the leadership itself and even forms its cornerstone. today, in the feuds between erslan junblat and wahhab, the clergy is also divided between them, with jumbi having the lion's share of course.
    It is an act of violence that emanates from evil intentions. That’s the key difference.
    Bruh. Then explain good intentioned violence
    Other than self defense.
     
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    Xynus87

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    Why would Jesus fight in wars? He wasn’t a political leader. Moses was; Muhammad was- but Jesus wasn’t.

    You can’t logically argue that Jesus not engaging in violence means that violence is totally off-limits.

    But because Christians admired Jesus so much that they took him as God, they regard his expressions as Absolute Truth.

    Meaning, their religion is purely spiritual, and disregards God’s Law for mankind.

    Judaism lacks that merciful and loving aspect of Christianity, hence its somewhat harsh and rogue nature. Thus, Islam is a fusion of the Judaic Law system and Christian notions of mercy.

    It’s ying and yang my friend. ;)
    Jesus lived in Roman Judea, Muhammad lived in Arabia. Therefore the messages are supposed to be different
    Christianity was not even considered its own religion in the first century or so, but a Jewish sect pretty much like the Essenes, Pharisees etc.
    We can quote verses all day, the Tanakh is a big book. What about the NT, Revelations?
     
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