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    The_FPMer

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    " the man was a genocidal maniac"

    what make u say that ?
    yes some people were sent to gulags , who were conspiring againt the socialist revolution. aka trotskist..who had contacts with fascist .
    followed by some zionist and some traitors who were working for nazi germany..
    remember that in order to defeat the nazism , USSR payed the tribute with 20 million of victims to liberate the world..under the guidance of stalin..
    so in the light of the great patriotic war , u can understand the necessity of the purges made ...and it was not a genocidial but act of defence,,
    I hear this narrative all the time from many different ideologues.

    I'm not sure if Stalin was anti-Zionist as he was the first one to approve the legitimacy of Israel.

    As for Nazism, Stalin totally trusted Hiter. In fact, he was surprised by Hitler attacking Russia. Stalin also proved that he wasn't a "man of steel" after all, when he had a nervous breakdown during Operation Barbarossa.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    I hear this narrative all the time from many different ideologues.

    I'm not sure if Stalin was anti-Zionist as he was the first one to approve the legitimacy of Israel.

    As for Nazism, Stalin totally trusted Hiter. In fact, he was surprised by Hitler attacking Russia. Stalin also proved that he wasn't a "man of steel" after all, when he had a nervous breakdown during Operation Barbarossa.
    u need to inform more by studying rather than hearing historical facts from neswan l foron.

    read the article i posted about ribntrop molotov...and argue based on what is written.
    i posted my thesis , u can go forward with ur counter argument ..
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    u need to inform more by studying rather than hearing historical facts from neswan l foron.

    read the article i posted about ribntrop molotov...and argue based on what is written.
    i posted my thesis , u can go forward with ur counter argument ..
    They're not neswen forn at all friend. I will read the article in my free time and get back to you.
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    yes and i watched ennemy at the gate too..
    those ae serious historical documents ?
    Comparing Solzhenitsyn's work to a commercial movie is an insult, with all due respect.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    I hear this narrative all the time from many different ideologues.

    I'm not sure if Stalin was anti-Zionist as he was the first one to approve the legitimacy of Israel.

    As for Nazism, Stalin totally trusted Hiter. In fact, he was surprised by Hitler attacking Russia. Stalin also proved that he wasn't a "man of steel" after all, when he had a nervous breakdown during Operation Barbarossa.
    yes the USSR and socialist country supported israel on 1948.. but a socialist israel and not zionist.. the zionist were supported by belfour and british colonialism on 1917 .
    this is not from a commuist propaganda site. its anti comunist as a matter of fact
    The Stalinist roots of left "anti-Zionism" 1 | Workers' Liberty
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Comparing Solzhenitsyn's work to a commercial movie is an insult, with all due respect.
    solzenitsyn was financed by CIA to write those bshits.. the antistalinism started with krusciov and not by cia...and the outcome was the disaster on 1989...
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    solzenitsyn was financed by CIA to write those bshits.. the antistalinism started with krusciov and not by cia...and the outcome was the disaster on 1989...
    What's your proof that CIA financed him?
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    yes the USSR and socialist country supported israel on 1948.. but a socialist israel and not zionist.. the zionist were supported by belfour and british colonialism on 1917 .
    this is not from a commuist propaganda site. its anti comunist as a matter of fact
    The Stalinist roots of left "anti-Zionism" 1 | Workers' Liberty
    Stalin supported the same Israel that was given by the Brits to the Jews. The British government issued a letter to none other than the infamous financier Lord Rothschild in support of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Israel's first President was hardcore Zionist Chaim Weizmann, long-time President of the World Zionist movement and the man who convinced Truman to fully support Israel.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Stalin supported the same Israel that was given by the Brits to the Jews. The British government issued a letter to none other than the infamous financier Lord Rothschild in support of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Israel's first President was hardcore Zionist Chaim Weizmann, long-time President of the World Zionist movement and the man who convinced Truman to fully support Israel.

    thats a huge debate that imply an ideological knowledge about how comunist mind work nd its strategies and tactics.. which i doubt u have ..but eventhough ill try to explain

    yes USSR and socialist countries supported israel , which in origin was a colonial project by british imperialism..
    on 1948 after the defeat of nazism and the genocide perpetrated against the jews and most of the jews proletariat sympathy for socialist USSR ..stalin correctly thought that israel instead of being a colonial advance post for british imperialism could become a platform for socialism in middle east . see here The Israeli Experiments in Voluntary Communism | Idan Eretz
    and as an anti colonialism in middle east which wasthe influence of british and french colonialism in the middle east ..
    as a tactic was completely rational , because with or without israel was a fact and arabs were not able to uproot it since it was supported otherwise by british imperialism that had influenceon most of arab countries as it still now ( replaced by american imperialism) ..

    there is a very good books writted about the argument with lot of document from the USSR ministry of foreign affair archive about this period , writen by the russian historian Leonid Mlecin ..

    now said that ..i sggest you to watch the videos i post and read the article so u start to understand more about communism out from cheap propaganda ..
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    What is your estimate of those who died in the camps?
    about 600 thousand .. in whole stalin period and not only camps , considering the civil war against the white guards (ex zarist) and the conflict with the kulakies..

    when they accuse stalin of genocide they attribute the 20 million victims of the war against nazism , which is a historical false since this war was imposed on the USSR .+
    same goes for the victims of japanese occupation of china and genocide aganst chinese population that they attribute it to Mao ..

    By the way gulags were education camps and not placed were people were killed ,.. they were villages in siberia where people lived in confinment but were free to move ...
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    thats a huge debate that imply an ideological knowledge about how comunist mind work nd its strategies and tactics.. which i doubt u have ..but eventhough ill try to explain

    yes USSR and socialist countries supported israel , which in origin was a colonial project by british imperialism..
    on 1948 after the defeat of nazism and the genocide perpetrated against the jews and most of the jews proletariat sympathy for socialist USSR ..stalin correctly thought that israel instead of being a colonial advance post for british imperialism could become a platform for socialism in middle east . see here The Israeli Experiments in Voluntary Communism | Idan Eretz
    and as an anti colonialism in middle east which wasthe influence of british and french colonialism in the middle east ..
    as a tactic was completely rational , because with or without israel was a fact and arabs were not able to uproot it since it was supported otherwise by british imperialism that had influenceon most of arab countries as it still now ( replaced by american imperialism) ..

    there is a very good books writted about the argument with lot of document from the USSR ministry of foreign affair archive about this period , writen by the russian historian Leonid Mlecin ..

    now said that ..i sggest you to watch the videos i post and read the article so u start to understand more about communism out from cheap propaganda ..
    I will watch your videos when I have the time. But for now few notes, the Stalinist purges started in 1936 if not mistaken, many Zionists were killed in the process. Israel is a Zionist project at the core. The Kibbutz are only an isolated small community in Israel. Stalin either was tricked or thought he can get rid of the Jews and transfer them to Russia (same thing Hitler did).
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    about 600 thousand .. in whole stalin period and not only camps , considering the civil war against the white guards (ex zarist) and the conflict with the kulakies..

    when they accuse stalin of genocide they attribute the 20 million victims of the war against nazism , which is a historical false since this war was imposed on the USSR .+
    same goes for the victims of japanese occupation of china and genocide aganst chinese population that they attribute it to Mao ..

    By the way gulags were education camps and not placed were people were killed ,.. they were villages in siberia where people lived in confinment but were free to move ...
    I will look into your links, but so far you are giving the same retorts that Nazis use. There were never concentration camps, they were either labor or educational camps. Ergo, the holocaust numbers either super inflated.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    I will watch your videos when I have the time. But for now few notes, the Stalinist purges started in 1936 if not mistaken, many Zionists were killed in the process. Israel is a Zionist project at the core. The Kibbutz are only an isolated small community in Israel. Stalin either was tricked or thought he can get rid of the Jews and transfer them to Russia (same thing Hitler did).

    true , the stalinist purges started on 1936..

    but what trigged this ?

    USSR was surrounded by countries ruled by fascist regimes ( baltic , hungary, romania , Italy, slovakia ) mostly supported by the western capitalist countries , in what so called the Sanitary condone against bolscevism...
    the main factor was the assasination of Kirov , mayor of Leningrad, and stalin ally inside the party in order to isolate stalin and take the power ( trotskist) ...
    trotski was supported by british and american to eliminate stalin and bring back a social democratic agenda to russia ( pro western )..
    after the arrival of hitler to power on 1933 , the war was inevitable and stalin was preparing for it ..
    ribentrop molotov pact was a tactical move to gain time , as well became inevitable after that france and england refused the call of stalin to create an antifascist front against nazi germany and they agreed on the annexation of the czech republic by Hitler ..
     
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