Deep into Shia Islam

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Ralph N

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Today, I discovered something new about Shia Islam.
Apparently, devout Shiite newlyweds do not thrown a wedding party. They consider it to be haram.
Instead, they hold a small religious ceremony called "moulid" which is only attended by very close family members and does not include music.
The honeymoon? A trip to Karbala and Najaf :lol:

Gosh, is there anything Shiites won't do to make their lives more sad and miserable?
No music, no partying, no alcohol, no weddings, self-mutilation, martyrdrom in times of peace, unnecessary wars with Israel...
Hey check this out..


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إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
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God and his angels are praying for mouhamad... I am confused whos the real god and whos the messenger....
 
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  • Lebmonage

    Lebmonage

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    Hey check this out..


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    إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
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    God and his angels are praying for mouhamad... I am confused whos the real god and whos the messenger....
    Wrong translation. "Yussaloon" doesn't mean they're praying.
     
    CrusaderV

    CrusaderV

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    It is not power that he wanted. Point of correction. And I will explain in details.

    Thousands upon thousands sent letters to Imam Hussein asking him to embark on a journey to Kufa. They told him that Yazid's rule was becoming intolerable and they want a strong leader acceptable to the people to rally around him and revolt against the rule of Banu Umayyah.

    Imam Hussein sent his cousin to confirm the letters of support. His cousin, Muslim Ibn Aqeel went to Kufa and he was first killed by the commanders of Yazeed.

    Then it was time for hajj in Makkah. Yazeed sent assassins to Makkah to kill Imam Hussein even if he was found holding the walls of the Kaabah. The news was revealed to Imam Hussein and he cut short his trip from Makkah and went to Medina and then headed to Iraq. A tyrant wanted a smooth assasinatiyon of his political opponent. Imam Hussein instead wanted the sleeping ummah to wake up, so even if he were to be killed, it should be an event and not an incident. He left to Iraq, a different place and for a different time to be killed if at all.

    On the way to Iraq, Imam Hussein got the news his cousin had been killed and mutilated. He was told that he should turn back for his safety. He refused to turn back and continued in his march to Iraq. Yazid and his commanders were bent on killing him for one reason: not because Imam Hussein wanted power but because Imam Hussein refused to pay allegiance to Yazeed. Assuming the ruler who captured power was not Yazeed, Imam Hussein would have followed the same path of his father and tolerated him and even recognize him to certain extent. But Yazeed was against any form of protest or dissent. Imam Ali refused to pay allegiance to Abu Bakr but he was not killed. Yazeed was a new high: crushing completely all forms of dissent.

    Imam Hussein reached Iraq and before he could get to Kufa (the former capital of the Muslim world), he was besieged in Karbala.

    At Karbala, the Imam offered that he would abandon the Muslim world and head to India. The commanders of Yazid refused to allow him access to leave. They insisted that Imam Hussein must pay allegiance to Yazid (give bay'ah) or else he would be killed. No third option or compromise.

    Imam Hussein refused to pay allegiance to Yazeed even if he was to be killed. Someone who wants power, material gains and the allurement of this life would not refuse to pay allegiance to a despot and choose to die instead of paying allegiance. He would not sacrifice not life. The Imam Hussein embraced death. His popular saying goes thus: "death with dignity is better than life in humiliation".

    Besides, Yazeed sent message that he would offer Imam Hussein worldly rewards if he were to pay allegiance and recognize him as the caliph. imam Hussein refused all and even provided them with a middle path to tread to allow him leave to the lands of the non Muslims.. Imam Hussein's refusal is not in a bid to capture power but in a bid to refuse tyranny. This was the first time in the Islamic world that opposition was stifled and was to be eliminated at all cost.

    We learn from this that Yazid was not tolerant to opposition, dissent or political competition. This is the same legacy that Al Saud follow in Saudi Arabia. To the Wahhabis, Yazeed was a legitimate ruler and the role model upon which the rule of Al Saud rest. Otherwise, Islamically, monarchy has no basis in Islam. They see Yazeed as such because it was the first time power was inherited in the Muslim world (Muawiya to Yazeed). And also, Yazeed was an authoritarian ruler. If you don't recognize and obey him, you're to die. No political opposition. Paying allegiance is a must and by force or else you die.

    The refusal of Imam Hussein even at the face of death, and even when offered material rewards is why we see Imam Hussein as the epitome of what a revolutionary leader should be. Neither fear nor favor made him submit to the rule of a tyrant.
    He was a crusader.
    How good Yazeed was or how bad he was to Christians is not the yardstick we use to measure whether he was good or evil. His calculations for tolerating Christians might have been because he wanted to prevent war with the west or to gain something. Not out of love.
    Bottom line
    No absolute values
     
    AtheistForJesus

    AtheistForJesus

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    Hey check this out..


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    إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
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    God and his angels are praying for mouhamad... I am confused whos the real god and whos the messenger....
    I think "sallou 3alayh" means "pray for" not "pray to".

    So if the angels are praying for Mohammed, it means they're praying to God to keep him in good health.
     
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    Ralph N

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    I think "sallou 3alayh" means "pray for" not "pray to".

    So if the angels are praying for Mohammed, it means they're praying to God to keep him in good health.
    And for who is god praying?

    إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ
     
    Lebmonage

    Lebmonage

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    Shoof l masayeb @Rachel Corrie.
    There's nothing as "halal prostitution". These practices, as per the video, are not part of mutah itself. There are conditions for mutah marriage. Mutah is only used as a cover to make money. The Iraqi government should take action against these men.
     
    SeaAb

    SeaAb

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    There's nothing as "halal prostitution". These practices, as per the video, are not part of mutah itself. There are conditions for mutah marriage. Mutah is only used as a cover to make money. The Iraqi government should take action against these men.
    Mzakar i showed you this Khomeini fatwa about 'mufakhada' with infants? Seems like it's more common than you thought..M7aleeleena l shabeb ben ba3ed...
     
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