Deep into the 12 lebanese christian sects

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An explanation is needed of each sect and then the differences can be pointed out easily. :)

Maronites
The maronites are the largest group of christians in Lebanon and are based mainly around the Mount Lebanon area eventhough there are big numbers from North(Zgharta, Bcharre, Koura, Akkar) to South(Jezzine) of the country.
It is an Eastern catholic church which has full communion with the pope and the catholic church but have self governance under the code of canons in the eastern church. They derive their name from the christian syriac saint maron. Syriac remains the liturgical language of the maronite church, ya3ne they pray in syriac.
 
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    Roum Orthodox
    The Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch adheres to the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is composed of several autocephalous jurisdictions united by common doctrine and by their use of the Byzantine rite. They are the second largest Christian denomination within Christianity in Lebanon. Historically, these churches grew out of the four Eastern Patriarchates (Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople) of the original five major episcopal sees of the Roman Empire which included Rome. The final split between Rome and the Eastern Churches, who came to oppose the views and claims of the Popes of Rome, took place in 1054. From that time, with the exception of a brief period of reunion in the fifteenth century, the Eastern Churches have continued to reject the claims of the Patriarchate of Rome (the Catholic Church) to universal supremacy and have rejected the concept of papal infallibility. Doctrinally, the main point at issue between the Eastern and Western Churches is that of the procession of the Holy Spirit and there are also divergences in ritual and discipline. So the Roum Orthodox do not believe in the Pope. We will go through this later on.
     
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    Roum Catholic
    The Melkite Church is related to the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch, from which it separated de facto in the mid-18th century. It is mainly centered in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. Melkite Greek Catholics are present, however, throughout the world by migration due to persecution. Outside the Near East, the Melkite Church has also grown through intermarriage with, and the conversion of, people of various ethnic heritages as well as transritualism. At present there is a worldwide membership of approximately 1.6 million. While the Melkite Catholic Church's Byzantine rite liturgical traditions are shared with those of Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church has been part of the Catholic Church since the affirmation of its union with the Holy See of Rome in 1724. So it means that their customs and praying in the church is like the Roum Orthodox BUT they follow the Pope.
     
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    The traditional Lebanese Christian sects are historically Maronite, Greek Orthodox and Melkite/Greek Catholic. Prostestants are mostly Maronites who converted. I'm not sure about the Latins, but I believe it's the same. The rest are mostly refugee descendants from genocide and Muslim persecution. The Syriacs came along with Armenians during the great genocide, from Turkey. The Assyrians/Chaldeans came from Iraq.
     
    Nonan

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    Can we stop calling them “sects”, please?
     
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    First off the difference between the Maronites and other roman Catholics.

    Both Maronite Catholics and Roman Catholics are Catholics--that is, in formal union with the Bishop of Rome.

    Roman Catholics use the liturgy of the Roman Rite--the Mass and Office familiar to most people.

    Maronite Catholics tend to derive from Lebanon. Their liturgical language is Syriac, which is very close to the Aramaic spoken by Christ and the Apostles. Their leader, second only to the Pope, is a patriarch elected by their bishops and only confirmed by the Holy See. They maintain their own distinct traditions, discipline of the sacraments, prayers, saints, canon law, and so forth. Roman catholics their liturgical language is Latin.
     
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    Roum Catholic
    The Melkite Church is related to the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch, from which it separated de facto in the mid-18th century. It is mainly centered in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. Melkite Greek Catholics are present, however, throughout the world by migration due to persecution. Outside the Near East, the Melkite Church has also grown through intermarriage with, and the conversion of, people of various ethnic heritages as well as transritualism. At present there is a worldwide membership of approximately 1.6 million. While the Melkite Catholic Church's Byzantine rite liturgical traditions are shared with those of Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church has been part of the Catholic Church since the affirmation of its union with the Holy See of Rome in 1724. So it means that their customs and praying in the church is like the Roum Orthodox BUT they follow the Pope.
    This is similar to Armenian Catholics. They follow the pope but they have kept the Armenian liturgical traditions, which they share with the Armenian Orthodox.
     
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    This is similar to Armenian Catholics. They follow the pope but they have kept the Armenian liturgical traditions, which they share with the Armenian Orthodox.
    So many sects 3al fade. :)
     
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    We have

    1) Maronites
    2) Roum Orthodox
    3) Roum Catholic
    4) Armenian Orthodox
    5) Armenian catholics
    6) Syriac Orthodox
    7) Syrian Catholic
    8) Chaldeons
    9) Copts
    10) Latins
    11) Evangelicals
    12) Assyrian
    Copts, Chaldeons, Latins, Assyrians, Syriac Orthodox, Syriac Catholics do not have a seat in Parliament. The only Eastern sect that has a seat in Parliament is the Maronite.

    There are not 12 Christian sects in Parliament. The Parliament includes five imperial Christian sects that belong to a historical and imperial order which is predominantly Western and Eastern European. Protestantism is also recognized.

    Eastern Churches of the Middle East like the Assyrians were not represented. They were considered and are still considered heretical by the central imperial Orthodox and Catholic Churches which are European.

    Maybe the Assyrians will now become recognized since they have joined the Christian imperial dogma becoming part of the Catholic Dominion since 1994. The process of unification of the faith between the Catholic Church and the Assyrians was only agreed upon in 2000.

    The Christian sects in Lebanese Parliament are:
    1- Maronite- They became part of the Catholic Dominion since the sixteenth century
    2- Greek Orthodox
    3- Armenian Orthodox
    4- Greek Catholic
    5- Armenian Catholic
    6- Protestant
     
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    Copts, Chaldeons, Latins, Assyrians, Syriac Orthodox, Syriac Catholics do not have a seat in Parliament. The only Eastern sect that has a seat in Parliament is the Maronite.

    There are not 12 Christian sects in Parliament. The Parliament includes five imperial Christian sects that belong to a historical and imperial order which is predominantly Western and Eastern European. Protestantism is also recognized.

    Eastern Churches of the Middle East like the Assyrians were not represented. They were considered and are still considered heretical by the central imperial Orthodox and Catholic Churches which are European.

    Maybe the Assyrians will now become recognized since they have joined the Christian imperial dogma becoming part of the Catholic Dominion since 1994. The process of unification of the faith between the Catholic Church and the Assyrians was only agreed upon in 2000.

    The Christian sects in Lebanese Parliament are:
    1- Maronite- They became part of the Catholic Dominion since the sixteenth century
    2- Greek Orthodox
    3- Armenian Orthodox
    4- Greek Catholic
    5- Armenian Catholic
    6- Protestant
    There are 12 sects that are recognised in Lebanon but not represented in Parliament. The copts masalan are recognised just dont have a seat in Parliament. There is a seat also for the minorities.
     
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    The first difference is relates to the Pope. For the Roman Catholics, the Pope is infallible; he can contradict lower ranking church leaders. On the other hand, Greek Orthodox believers consider a ‘highest bishop’, also known as the ‘first among equals’. This bishop is not infallible and does not have supreme authority over the churches.
     
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    Another difference between the two religions is the concept of original sin. Even though both believe in the so-called ‘original sin’ that can be purified through baptism, they have varying ideas regarding its effects on humanity. They also differ when it comes to how it can be applied to Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ. For Catholics, Mary was born with no original sin. According to the Greek Orthodox, Mary – just like all other humans – was born and will then die. She was selected to be Christ’s mother due to her righteous life.
     
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    Also, these are related to icons and statues. Churches of the Eastern Orthodox pay homage to icons, while Roman Catholic ones have statues.
     
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    Additionally, in the Roman Catholic Church, the doctrines, which are changed over time by popes, bishops, and other known instruments of the Holy Spirit, are considered to be more intellectual, bearing the enlightenment provided by the Spirit itself. This is in line with what they call ‘Doctrinal Development’. Meanwhile, for the other religion, the New Testament must not be changed. For Eastern Orthodox believers, the early Church and the Bible must not be altered in any way; for them, this is a way to avoid heresies and false doctrines, and abide by Jesus’s warning that tells them to be cautious of human traditions connected to Christ’s doctrines
     
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    Furthermore, Eastern Orthodox priests are allowed to marry before they are ordinated, while in the Roman Catholic Church, priests cannot marry.
    Additionally, Eastern Orthodox believers do not accept the concept of purgatory as well as the Stations of the Cross, as opposed to the Roman Catholics.
    In relation to the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, while Roman Catholics make use of an unleavened wafer, members of the Greek Orthodox Church use unleavened bread. They also have differences in the calculations of the days pertaining to Easter and Christmas.
    The Greek Orthodox is considered to be very mystical and dependent on spiritual practices, while Roman Catholic beliefs tend to be too legalistic and dependent upon intellectual speculation
     
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    @Rachel Corrie I hope this answers your question.

    In Summary
    1. Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox believers both believe in the same God.
    2. Roman Catholics deem the Pope as infallible, while Greek Orthodox believers don’t.
    3. Roman Catholics believe that Mary is free from original sin, while Greek Orthodox believers don’t.
    4. Roman Catholic priests cannot marry, while priests in the Greek Orthodox can marry before they are ordinated.
    5. Latin is the main language used during Roman Catholic services, while Greek Orthodox churches use native languages.
    6. Roman Catholics venerate statues a much as Greek Orthodox believers venerate icons.
    7. Doctrines can be changed in Roman Catholicism, as opposed to Greek Orthodox.
    8. Unlike Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox believers do not accept the concepts of purgatory and Stations of the Cross
     
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    Numbers

    Copts
    15-20 million
    Egypt 15-18 million
    Sudan 500K
    Libya 60K
    Western world 1-2 million max.

    Maronites
    3.5 million

    Lebanon 1.1 million
    Syria 60K
    Cyprus 5800
    Israel 11K

    The rest outside with Argentine and Brazil having the biggest populations 750K and 500K respectively.
     
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    Greek Orthodox
    They have 4 parts to them each covering a territory. You have constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem.

    The two main one are Antioch are Jerusalem.
    Jerusalem approx 500K members with 130K in the Holy Land and 200K in Jordan while the rest outside the country. Now Chile has 500K Palestinians majority christian. Chile has more Palestinians christians than the Holy Land.
    Antioch 1.8 million members 1.1 million Syria, 400K Lebanon and approx 300K outside.
     
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    John 3:16

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    Please google: "John 3:16 interpolations"

    I dont want to go into that and derail the thread further. Pls let's stick to the topic. Thanks
     
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