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Do you think Lebanese Muslims are to blame for Lebanon's demise?

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  • Jorje

    Jorje

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    For all the issues that the Muslim world is struggling with, Lebanon is one of the few places where they are exonerated. Christians easily give them a run for their money and then some.

    Corruption? Check.
    Secterianism? Check.
    Extremism? Check.
    Murder wa wa wa... Check.

    Remember, Christians were the guiltiest in building the farm that they called the political system of Lebanon which is the ongoing root of our suffering.
     
    light-in-dark

    light-in-dark

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    For all the issues that the Muslim world is struggling with, Lebanon is one of the few places where they are exonerated. Christians easily give them a run for their money and then some.

    Corruption? Check.
    Secterianism? Check.
    Extremism? Check.
    Murder wa wa wa... Check.

    Remember, Christians were the guiltiest in building the farm that they called the political system of Lebanon which is the ongoing root of our suffering.
    I don't think that Muslim Lebanese are to be blamed completely in the cosies of Lebanon as u said also some Christians took part also.
    Ałl ta2ifiyiin from both sides get Lebanon to what it is now.
    The Lebanese nationalists which chehabism is one of them, were marginalized even destroyed by the confessional parties.
    I blame Sunni to go with PLO, sometimes nassirites now Wahhabism all the time extremist.
    I blame Chia to go to Syria and Iran.
    I blame Druze for massacring innocent Christians coz of some bad phalanges gangs or killing kamal joumblatt by Syrians.
    I blame Christians to put their hand into the devil hands Israel coz no one wanted to help them staying in their land even the Vatican. No state help them to stay. Some Syrian or israeili interests and contretroc is not helping is putting you deeper in the hole. Stupidest they were.
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    I don't think that Muslim Lebanese are to be blamed completely in the cosies of Lebanon as u said also some Christians took part also.
    Ałl ta2ifiyiin from both sides get Lebanon to what it is now.
    The Lebanese nationalists which chehabism is one of them, were marginalized even destroyed by the confessional parties.
    I blame Sunni to go with PLO, sometimes nassirites now Wahhabism all the time extremist.
    I blame Chia to go to Syria and Iran.
    I blame Druze for massacring innocent Christians coz of some bad phalanges gangs or killing kamal joumblatt by Syrians.
    I blame Christians to put their hand into the devil hands Israel coz no one wanted to help them staying in their land even the Vatican. No state help them to stay. Some Syrian or israeili interests and contretroc is not helping is putting you deeper in the hole. Stupidest they were.
    Are you ok with Hizbullah's involvement in Syria?
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    look what HA is making isis do.
    Tragic. But is Hizbullah any different? They use children as human shields and cause unnecessary deaths due to to their reckless actions and miscalculated wars.
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    not a personal level, they didnt
    but yes as a collective society, Muslims destroyed lebanon and so many other nations where they form majority or about to form one

    cause as a collective society they out religion and backward social vices before progress and the rule of law

    sharia is anti progress and most muslims wants sharia at any cost
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    For all the issues that the Muslim world is struggling with, Lebanon is one of the few places where they are exonerated. Christians easily give them a run for their money and then some.

    Corruption? Check.
    Secterianism? Check.
    Extremism? Check.
    Murder wa wa wa... Check.

    Remember, Christians were the guiltiest in building the farm that they called the political system of Lebanon which is the ongoing root of our suffering.
    we are defending ourselves against the muslim invaders
    muslism that never believed in lebanon and fought that nation since its inception 1943

    you guys are funny, you always equate self defense with the terrorists
    as bad as our christian corruption was, ww still built a nation pre 1975 and nevr had any debt

    only when sunnis , shias and druze took full power, than our nation groans under 80$bil
    even during the war, the christians made sure we we debt free,
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Tragic. But is Hizbullah any different? They use children as human shields and cause unnecessary deaths due to to their reckless actions and miscalculated wars.
    the interference in syria is very calculated and a necessity for our survival and for yours as well. as to your inference of the 2006 war, and in case you didn't note the israeli intent on stopping the oil bid today, i will leave you with this fable, you know there is a reason why they teach you these at school.

    La raison du plus fort est toujours la meilleure :
    Nous l'allons montrer tout à l'heure.
    Un Agneau se désaltérait
    Dans le courant d'une onde pure.
    Un Loup survient à jeun qui cherchait aventure,
    Et que la faim en ces lieux attirait.
    Qui te rend si hardi de troubler mon breuvage ?
    Dit cet animal plein de rage :
    Tu seras châtié de ta témérité.
    - Sire, répond l'Agneau, que votre Majesté
    Ne se mette pas en colère ;
    Mais plutôt qu'elle considère
    Que je me vas désaltérant
    Dans le courant,
    Plus de vingt pas au-dessous d'Elle,
    Et que par conséquent, en aucune façon,
    Je ne puis troubler sa boisson.
    - Tu la troubles, reprit cette bête cruelle,
    Et je sais que de moi tu médis l'an passé.
    - Comment l'aurais-je fait si je n'étais pas né ?
    Reprit l'Agneau, je tette encor ma mère.
    - Si ce n'est toi, c'est donc ton frère.
    - Je n'en ai point. - C'est donc quelqu'un des tiens :
    Car vous ne m'épargnez guère,
    Vous, vos bergers, et vos chiens.
    On me l'a dit : il faut que je me venge.
    Là-dessus, au fond des forêts
    Le Loup l'emporte, et puis le mange,
    Sans autre forme de procès.

    israel used a border incident as a pretext to do what it had always been planning to do, and may very well redo in the future. it was a good opportunity to flex its muscles with syria out of the way. let's hope they suffered enough casualties to learn better. this is all there is to it. but that's not a logic you want to subscribe to, because that blame is one essential element in paving the road for your opinion.
     
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    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    the interference in syria is very calculated and a necessity for our survival and for yours as well. as to your inference of the 2006 war, and in case you didn't note the israeli intent on stopping the oil bid today, i will leave you with this fable, you know there is a reason why they teach you these at school.

    La raison du plus fort est toujours la meilleure :
    Nous l'allons montrer tout à l'heure.
    Un Agneau se désaltérait
    Dans le courant d'une onde pure.
    Un Loup survient à jeun qui cherchait aventure,
    Et que la faim en ces lieux attirait.
    Qui te rend si hardi de troubler mon breuvage ?
    Dit cet animal plein de rage :
    Tu seras châtié de ta témérité.
    - Sire, répond l'Agneau, que votre Majesté
    Ne se mette pas en colère ;
    Mais plutôt qu'elle considère
    Que je me vas désaltérant
    Dans le courant,
    Plus de vingt pas au-dessous d'Elle,
    Et que par conséquent, en aucune façon,
    Je ne puis troubler sa boisson.
    - Tu la troubles, reprit cette bête cruelle,
    Et je sais que de moi tu médis l'an passé.
    - Comment l'aurais-je fait si je n'étais pas né ?
    Reprit l'Agneau, je tette encor ma mère.
    - Si ce n'est toi, c'est donc ton frère.
    - Je n'en ai point. - C'est donc quelqu'un des tiens :
    Car vous ne m'épargnez guère,
    Vous, vos bergers, et vos chiens.
    On me l'a dit : il faut que je me venge.
    Là-dessus, au fond des forêts
    Le Loup l'emporte, et puis le mange,
    Sans autre forme de procès.

    israel used a border incident as a pretext to do what it had always been planning to do, and may very well redo in the future. it was a good opportunity to flex its muscles with syria out of the way. let's hope they suffered enough casualties to learn better. this is all there is to it. but that's not a logic you want to subscribe to, because that blame is one essential element in paving the road for your opinion.

    With such blind, irrational, and unapologetic supporters, I think Hizbullah's future is ensured.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    With such blind, irrational, and unapologetic supporters, I think Hizbullah's future is ensured.
    the only scenario where it would make sense to you that people should drive a knife in the back of HA is if you have been molded into a sunni extremist; da3esh nusra, etc, whatever the nom du jour is, and that you want to see an sunni caliphate taking shape in damascus.

    so don't you think that "blind, irrational, and unapologetic" are some very big words for someone who does not distinguish between wiring children up in explosives and detonating them in their enemies and between fighting a war for survival?

    from my perspective it does indeed appear that your judgment is blinded by 1400 years of hatred.

    i have plenty of differences with HA, but i know for a fact that in we are in this battle together, either we win together and the region might have a brighter future, or lose together and that would be the ushering of a black jahilisit era that will turn Lebanon to a new raqqa.
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    the only scenario where it would make sense to you that people should drive a knife in the back of HA is if you have been molded into a sunni extremist; da3esh nusra, etc, whatever the nom du jour is, and that you want to see an sunni caliphate taking shape in damascus.

    so don't you think that "blind, irrational, and unapologetic" are some very big words for someone who does not distinguish between wiring children up in explosives and detonating them in their enemies and between fighting a war for survival?

    from my perspective it does indeed appear that your judgment is blinded by 1400 years of hatred.

    i have plenty of differences with HA, but i know for a fact that in we are in this battle together, either we win together and the region might have a brighter future, or lose together and that would be the ushering of a black jahilisit era that will turn Lebanon to a new raqqa.

    I don't see a difference between ISIS and Hizbullah, except in their methods.

    ISIS wires children up in explosives. Hizbullah uses them as human shields, causing death and destruction for its own crazy ends. Are you trying to tell me the 2006 War could not have been avoided?

    Both are sick death cults who have zero respect for human life and free speech.
    Did we forget that one time Nasrallah called for the death of Salman Rushdie for having dared to criticize the Quran?
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    I don't see a difference between ISIS and Hizbullah, except in their methods.

    ISIS wires children up in explosives. Hizbullah uses them as human shields, causing death and destruction for its own crazy ends. Are you trying to tell me the 2006 War could not have been avoided?

    Both are sick death cults who have zero respect for human life and free speech.
    Did we forget that one time Nasrallah called for the death of Salman Rushdie for having dared to criticize the Quran?
    you are entitled to your perception, it doesn't mean you are right though. many people perceive things differently, it does mean their perception is correct or that they hold a good grip on what is right and what is wrong, or on what is true and what is not.

    at the moment HA are fending off a dark form of evil, and i find that everyone who discerns between good and evil, should support them in this fight. it does not mean they will always be right, it does not mean that they do not make mistakes either or that they do not have bad elements, it simply means that in this battle they, and few others, are what is standing between us and doom, and they have our gratitude for it.

    it is as simple as that.
     
    WiseCookie

    WiseCookie

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    i have plenty of differences with HA, but i know for a fact that in we are in this battle together, either we win together and the region might have a brighter future, or lose together and that would be the ushering of a black jahilisit era that will turn Lebanon to a new raqqa.
    You should probably read a little more about Khomenist history and see what they did with their allies after winning the revolution in Iran. Just a thought.
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    you are entitled to your perception, it doesn't mean you are right though. many people perceive things differently, it does mean their perception is correct or that they hold a good grip on what is right and what is wrong, or on what is true and what is not.

    at the moment HA are fending off a dark form of evil, and i find that everyone who discerns between good and evil, should support them in this fight. it does not mean they will always be right, it does not mean that they do not make mistakes either or that they do not have bad elements, it simply means that in this battle they, and few others, are what is standing between us and doom, and they have our gratitude for it.

    it is as simple as that.
    Dude, I salute every effort to fight Isis. But Hizbullah did not join this war to get rid of Isis, but to crush all opponents of Bashar, including the Free Syrian Army, causing even more strife in Syria. Had they taken a more humanitarian and less biased stance, they would have earned everyone's respect. Their involvement was purely selfish and politically-motivated.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    You should probably read a little more about Khomenist history and see what they did with their allies after winning the revolution in Iran. Just a thought.
    would this be a good source to read about it? :)

    not many people know about the role of the socialists and communists in bringing down the shah in iran. they played a big part. but they were also taken out once the radicals managed to procure a foothold. now it is understandable that iran is a country with a muslim majority. but safeguards should still be put in place in the west so that people who claim to be fleeing atrocities do not replant the seeds that would later lead to similar ones in the countries they are resettling into. that's all what's being asked. apparently, that's too much to ask for.
    are you comparing the choice to support HA in the fight to keep ISIS at bay to the choosing between khoumayni and the shah? the shah was a benign entity. the new islamic wave coming from syria is one that seeks to subjugate and/or eradicate all minorities.

    let me ask you something, did the people of qa3 support HA's involvement in syria? were they themselves involved in syria? why were they subject to several invasion attempts and why was the church a target for several suicide bombings? at the moment we are united with HA against a very dark evil, and you ought to understand that because your own survival depends on it my dear.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Dude, I salute every effort to fight Isis. But Hizbullah did not join this war to get rid of Isis, but to crush all opponents of Bashar, including the Free Syrian Army, causing even more strife in Syria. Had they taken a more humanitarian and less biased stance, they would have earned everyone's respect. Their involvement was purely selfish and politically-motivated.
    what free syrian army? they are all the same, they simply change flags depending on where the money is coming from, nusra isis fath el sham faylaq el farouq, probably less than 1% of those fighting understand the meaning of a civil state. the others are about jeish el islam w la taqol ramayna.
     
    light-in-dark

    light-in-dark

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    Are you ok with Hizbullah's involvement in Syria?
    I agree what HA Have done aT the Lebanese Syrian border. HA has stopped at least exploded cars in everywhere in Lebanon. I was visiting Lebanon in 2014 when Bir Hassan explosion happened. I passed there 2 hours before the explosion. Imagine if I died or injured my wife and kids in Canada living without me!
    The involving of HA now in Syria is the same involving of all world Takfiries in Syria. They came to Syria from everywhere the Wahhabis Takfiries from Tunisia, Algeria, Marocco, soumalia, kazakhistane, China, hind Indonesia. HA took part in the play as other actors.

    A story 4 u: In the nineties, I was working on gas station with my studies. One day an Algerian client passed by me he knew that I am Lebanese Christian from ain elremmaneh. Next day, he came With a big knife to take his revenge coz his brother died on the front line in the early eighties in Lebanon. He was with PLO. Two of his friends were holding him and defending me, they were shouting on him and saying that I am innocent young man that wasn't me who made the war. I told him if you step once more here you will be deported to Algeria.
    I was telling you this story only to tell you that mo2amarat on Syria now is like that was in Lebanon years before.
    HA involving I am with or am against it will not change anything. Takfiries and all Sunni extremists in Syria am I against or with also will not change anything. With Bashar or against him the same thing. Puppets all are there, the mou2amrat is bigger, seek oil, money and power. Haram 3a yalli Matto di3ane wa Yalla 3an youmouto di3ane.
     
    !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    I agree what HA Have done aT the Lebanese Syrian border. HA has stopped at least exploded cars in everywhere in Lebanon. I was visiting Lebanon in 2014 when Bir Hassan explosion happened. I passed there 2 hours before the explosion. Imagine if I died or injured my wife and kids in Canada living without me!
    The involving of HA now in Syria is the same involving of all world Takfiries in Syria. They came to Syria from everywhere the Wahhabis Takfiries from Tunisia, Algeria, Marocco, soumalia, kazakhistane, China, hind Indonesia. HA took part in the play as other actors.

    A story 4 u: In the nineties, I was working on gas station with my studies. One day an Algerian client passed by me he knew that I am Lebanese Christian from ain elremmaneh. Next day, he came With a big knife to take his revenge coz his brother died on the front line in the early eighties in Lebanon. He was with PLO. Two of his friends were holding him and defending me, they were shouting on him and saying that I am innocent young man that wasn't me who made the war. I told him if you step once more here you will be deported to Algeria.
    I was telling you this story only to tell you that mo2amarat on Syria now is like that was in Lebanon years before.
    HA involving I am with or am against it will not change anything. Takfiries and all Sunni extremists in Syria am I against or with also will not change anything. With Bashar or against him the same thing. Puppets all are there, the mou2amrat is bigger, seek oil, money and power. Haram 3a yalli Matto di3ane wa Yalla 3an youmouto di3ane.
    You should have shot the bastard in the balls!!
     
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