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Do you think that President Michel Aoun should resign?

President Aoun should resign


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Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
With the meltdown and general collapse at all levels; in addition to the inability to form a government
Many people see the resignation of the President as the only way out of this crisis .

what do you think?
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Article 49
(As amended by the Constitutional Law of October 17, 1927, And by the constitutional law of may 8, 1929,
And by the constitutional law of January 21, 1947
And by the constitutional law of September 21, 1990)
The President of the Republic is the head of the state and the symbol of the nation's unity. He shall safeguard the constitution and Lebanon's independence, unity, and territorial integrity. The President shall preside over the Supreme Defense Council and be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces which fall under the authority of the Council of Ministers.
The President of the Republic shall be elected by secret ballot and by a twothirds majority of the Chamber of Deputies. After a first ballot, an absolute majority shall be sufficient. The President's term is six years. He may not be re-elected until six years after the expiration of his last mandate. No one may be elected to the Presidency of the Republic unless he fulfills the conditions of eligibility for the Chamber of Deputies.
It is also not possible to elect judges, Grade One civil servants, or their equivalents in all public institutions to the Presidency during their term or office or within two years following the date of their resignation and their effective cessation of service, or following retirement.
Article 50
Upon assuming office, the President of the Republic shall take an oath of fidelity before the Parliament, to the Nation and the constitution, in the following terms:
"I swear by Almighty God to observe the Constitution and the laws of the Lebanese Nation and to maintain the independence of Lebanon and its territorial integrity."
Article 51
(As amended by the Constitutional Law of October 17, 1927 And by the constitutional law of September 21, 1990)
The President of the Republic shall promulgate the laws after they have been approved by the Chamber in accordance with the time limits specified by the constitution. He asks for the publication or these laws, and he may not modify these laws or exempt anyone from complying with their provisions.
Article 52
(As amended by the Constitutional Law of October 17, 1927, And the constitutional law of November 9, 1943,
And by the constitutional law of September 21,1990)
The President of the Republic shall negotiate and ratify international treaties in agreement with the Prime Minister. These treaties are not considered ratified except after approve by the Council of Ministers. They shall be made known to the Chamber and Deputies whenever the national interest and security of the state permit. However, treaties involving the finances of the state, commercial treaties, and in general treaties that cannot be renounced every year shall not be considered ratified until they have been approved by the Chamber of Deputies.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
Today the President is failing his constitutional duties by supporting one person and party
In these exceptional circumstances he should approved PM Diab Government and let parliament assume his responsibility
 

dyyyy

Well-Known Member
I don't think in practice if the president resigns it will be practical, it will just put a void.
Also if we forget that the president is GMA, the ones who should resign are the executive power (because they work on the ground and they failed)
and the parliament, because they're representative of the people and people are asking them to go.

After the elections the deputies can then ask for the president to resign.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
Accept Diab government or President Resign immediately
Crusader Joseph Aoun intermediate President
New elections new parliament
And new President elected ( Joseph Aoun or any other )
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
I was against the President Resignation after October 17
I thought he will listen to his people
He only listen 👂 to Bassil
Even his own family and daughters are out
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
I don't think in practice if the president resigns it will be practical, it will just put a void.
Also if we forget that the president is GMA, the ones who should resign are the executive power (because they work on the ground and they failed)
and the parliament, because they're representative of the people and people are asking them to go.

After the elections the deputies can then ask for the president to resign.

I respect your point of view
This could work if the President sign and form a government
And new elections in one year
No problem he stay
But personally I lost confidence in him
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member

Resign

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Orange Room Supporter
The President proved himself unfit unable to lead the country in the current crisis
He's incapable and not caring
80 days the people are on streets and he addressed them twice
both times managed to make things even worse.

The government formation is not going anywhere and he's asleep
He failed to play his 'Strong President' role and put pressure where pressure is required
He's not transparent
He lied promising the people a government by New Year and DID NOTHING to deliver his promise
He sees all parties having arguments delaying the formation, he did not bother to join and meet all of them and try to find a solution out of this problem we're in especially that the country is going bankrupt
His policies and agenda only caters for a small percentage of the Lebanese population, his policies revolve around making sure both Bassil and Hezbollah are happy -and that's it-
He desecrated the presidency and made it a joke
His team desecrated the ministry of defense and turned it to a joke
His team desecrated the ministry of justice and the justice system altogether and turned it to a joke
His team desecrated our laws, our constitutions
He turned the whole country into a joke

Do FPMers accept the performance (or non-performance) of this president ?
do you accept that he's never there while the presidency suffers the worst mockery it ever faced to date ?

FPMers should be the first to ask the President to resign and leave.
This is his last shot to clear his name and prove to the people that he does care about the wellbeing of the country
There is absolutely no hope for a better country while he sticks to his chair
HE NEEDS to make history by resigning and leaving political life and quickly.
 

Resign

Well-Known Member
Orange Room Supporter
I voted Parliament should dissolve and President resigning straight after

He needs to start playing his role,
oversight the creation of a fair and balanced independent government that sets up for new elections
After the new Parliament is elected, he resigns and clears his name.

This is the only way Aoun can clear his name.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
The President proved himself unfit unable to lead the country in the current crisis
He's incapable and not caring
80 days the people are on streets and he addressed them twice
both times managed to make things even worse.

The government formation is not going anywhere and he's asleep
He failed to play his 'Strong President' role and put pressure where pressure is required
He's not transparent
He lied promising the people a government by New Year and DID NOTHING to deliver his promise
He sees all parties having arguments delaying the formation, he did not bother to join and meet all of them and try to find a solution out of this problem we're in especially that the country is going bankrupt
His policies and agenda only caters for a small percentage of the Lebanese population, his policies revolve around making sure both Bassil and Hezbollah are happy -and that's it-
He desecrated the presidency and made it a joke
His team desecrated the ministry of defense and turned it to a joke
His team desecrated the ministry of justice and the justice system altogether and turned it to a joke
His team desecrated our laws, our constitutions
He turned the whole country into a joke

Do FPMers accept the performance (or non-performance) of this president ?
do you accept that he's never there while the presidency suffers the worst mockery it ever faced to date ?

FPMers should be the first to ask the President to resign and leave.
This is his last shot to clear his name and prove to the people that he does care about the wellbeing of the country
There is absolutely no hope for a better country while he sticks to his chair
HE NEEDS to make history by resigning and leaving political life and quickly.
He lied promising the people a government by New Year and DID NOTHING to deliver his promise
As you said bro
I myself a few weeks ago I was not with his resignation
I was with Government and Bassil
But it was the President who mainly blocked Diab when he asked Berry for a political government
Berry jumped to techno politics and Harriri
All that for Bassil who want 7 ministers
The last joke Bassil on Tuesday will repeat his lies
He doesn’t want to be part of Government And Attack Riad Salame which he agreed to nominate 2 years ago
 
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Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
I voted Parliament should dissolve and President resigning straight after

He needs to start playing his role,
oversight the creation of a fair and balanced independent government that sets up for new elections
After the new Parliament is elected, he resigns and clears his name.

This is the only way Aoun can clear his name.

You are more generous than me
I want him out today with Joseph Aoun as Intermediate President because a big revolution will happen soon in Lebanon
 

Resign

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Orange Room Supporter
وجهتا نظر.. مسيحيتان

تنقسم البيئة المسيحية بين وجهتي نظر: الأولى كلاسيكية وتقليدية وتاريخية ترفض المساس بموقع رئاسة الجمهورية تجنّباً لسابقة تُضعف الموقع الأول في
الجمهورية، وثانية تعتبر انّ قوة رئيس الجمهورية من قوة تمسّكه بدولة القانون، وفي حال تراجع عن هذا الخط وَجب رحيله.
ترافق الانهيار المالي والاقتصادي مع انطلاق ثورة شعبية رفعت شعار «كلن يعني كلن» في صورة رمزية إلى انّ الطبقة السياسية الحاكمة، ومن ضمنها المالية والاقتصادية، جعلت من الدولة اللبنانية دولة فاشلة، الأمر الذي يستدعي الاستغناء عن خدماتها، لأنه يتعذّر الكلام عن إصلاح في ظل أكثرية حاكمة يتراوح تقييمها بين إمّا فاسدة وإمّا فاشلة. وبالتالي، لا جدوى من أوراق إصلاحية او خطوات تقنية ما لم يصر إلى تغيير شامل يفضي إلى أكثرية جديدة تمسك بمفاصل المؤسسات وتعيد الاعتبار للدولة.

وشاءت المصادفات ان يكون تشرين الأول مؤسساً لمرحلتين: مرحلة ١٣ تشرين ١٩٩٠ التي بَنت مزرعة لا دولة وأوصلت لبنان إلى الإفلاس المالي والانهيار الأخلاقي والقيمي، ومرحلة ١٧ تشرين الأول التي تقود لبنان رويداً رويداً نحو دولة فعلية ترتكز على الدستور والقانون والمؤسسات والشفافية.

والمطروح على بساط البحث لا يتعلق بالدستور الذي يجب الحفاظ عليه والتمسك به، إنما المطروح تغيير النهج المتّبع في إدارة الدولة، وهذا التغيير لا يمكن ان يتحقق سوى عن طريق كفّ يد الأكثرية الحاكمة التي يستحيل الوصول إلى دولة فعلية في ظل تَحَكّمها بمفاصل القرار، لا بل هناك من يقول انّ محاولات الترقيع مع هذه الأكثرية بمثابة الخطيئة والجريمة بحق لبنان واللبنانيين، لأنه في حالات من هذا النوع لا خيار سوى بالتغيير الشامل، فيما الترقيع يؤدي إلى تمديد الواقع المأسوي، كما انّ الرهان على التغيير مع هذه الأكثرية ضرب من ضروب الجنون والخيال.

ومن هنا أهمية الثورة التي انطلقت في ١٧تشرين الأول والتي من دونها لا أمل بلبنان الجديد، فهناك للمرة الأولى بيئة شعبية عابرة للطوائف ومهيّأة للتغيير ورافضة للتطبيع مع الوضع القائم على وقع انهيار غير مسبوق يضع الجميع أمام خيارين: الانهيار الشامل من أجل البناء من جديد على أسس مختلفة، او فرملة الانهيار بخطوات جزئية إصلاحية شكلاً ومُعتورة وفاشلة مضموناً بهدف إبقاء القديم على قدمه.

وفي حال تم تفويت هذه الفرصة التي يصعب ان تتكرر فعلى لبنان السلام، لأن لا أمل بمَن أوصَل لبنان إلى الانهيار، ولا خيار سوى بتغيير الذهنية في إدارة الدولة ومؤسساتها المالية والاقتصادية والإدارية والسياسية. وأهمية هذه اللحظة تكمن في تقاطعها بين نظرة شعبية فاقدة للأمل بالأكثرية الحاكمة، وموقف خارجي غير مستعد لمواصلة مساعدة أكثرية فاشلة، ووضع مالي ينزلق نحو الأسوأ في انتظار التغيير الكبير الذي يوقف هذا الانزلاق ويعيد الاستقرار والتوازن.

وفي كل هذا المشهد تَبرز وجهتا نظر مسيحية، الأولى تدعو الى استقالة رئيس الجمهورية بسبب تحالفه مع «حزب الله» وعمقه الإيراني ما يضع لبنان في مواجهة الشرعيتين العربية والدولية، ويحول دون تطبيق دولة القانون في لبنان، وتعتبر انّ الدعوة الى رحيله ليست متأتية من تأييدها أو معارضته له، إنما بسبب ممارسته، وانّ ما ينطبق عليه ينسحب على غيره، وانّ الحواجز الطائفية لا يجب ان تشكّل حمايات على حساب منطق الدولة، وانّ المطروح ليس استهداف المواقع الدستورية ودورها وصلاحياتها، إنما فقط الأشخاص الذين لا يمارسون بوَحي متطلبات مواقعهم الوطنية والدستورية، خصوصاً انّ الرئاسة المسيحية يجب ان تكون رأس حربة إرساء الدولة المدنية الحديثة والمتطورة.

أمّا وجهة النظر الثانية فتعتبر انّ دور رئيس الجمهورية اختلف بين الجمهورية الأولى والثانية، وإذا كانت استقالته ما قبل «اتفاق الطائف» مبررة بفعل رئاسته للسلطة التنفيذية، فإنّ هذه الاستقالة غير مجدية بفِعل انتقال السلطة التنفيذية إلى مجلس الوزراء مجتمعاً، وما يصحّ على رئيس الجمهورية ينطبق على رئيس الحكومة كون الأداة التنفيذية هي في يد مجلس الوزراء، وبالتالي ما الجدوى من المطالبة باستقالة رئيس الجمهورية ونقل الأزمة من تشكيل الحكومة المطلوبة إلى أزمة سلطة برمّتها.

وتخشى هذه الوجهة من خلال طرح استقالة رئيس الجمهورية من نقل الأزمة من كونها وطنية ومعيشية ومطلبية ومالية، إلى مشكلة مسيحية - مسيحية وعودة الانقسام العمودي المسيحي، خصوصاً انّ الرئيس ميشال عون هو أوّل رئيس بعد «اتفاق الطائف» لديه حيثية مسيحية شعبية ونيابية، وتسأل عن المصلحة في إضعاف دوره وموقعه في مرحلة تحولات كبرى يصعب تقدير حجم انعكاسها على النظام السياسي في الوقت الذي أعيد في عهده تصحيح الخلل الميثاقي، وكل الخشية من ضرب هذا الإنجاز في حال إسقاطه بالشارع. وبالتالي، تطرح ضرورة التوفيق بين الحاجة الماسّة للتغيير وطنياً من خلال إرساء قواعد حكم جديدة، وبين الحرص على التوازنات الميثاقية التي تستدعي إبقاء خطوط الحد الأدنى بين المكونات المسيحية حفاظاً على هذه الميثاقية.

وفي موازاة الوجهة الأولى والثانية هناك من يدعو إلى ترك الأمور تأخذ مداها من دون افتعال إشكالية او إشكاليات طائفية يمكن ان تنعكس سلباً على دينامية الشارع التي يجب دعمها وتشجيعها ورفدها بكل المقومات اللازمة، خصوصاً انها تتغذى أساساً من الانهيار المالي، وذلك وصولاً في الوقت المناسب إلى التغيير الشامل تحت سقف الدستور والمؤسسات انطلاقاً من قاعدة أنّ دولة 13 تشرين دخلت في مرحلة السقوط، وانّ دولة 17 تشرين دخلت في مرحلة النهوض.


 

Tayyar9

Legendary Member
I wish PMA and FPM leave politics all together and give their place to people from the harak. All MPs and ministers. This people doesn't deserve to be fought for. Let them deal with the other politicians and let's see what they can achieve. This people deserves to be ruled by the corrupt.
 
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