Does the FPM as a Party Want Peace with Israehell

Peace agreement with Israel?

  • I am an FPMer and I am undecided on peace agreement with Israel

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Muki

Muki

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Nop but i only drive my car.
Then you use your eyes to see the road and surroundings. Why do you expect Israel to fight a war without keeping an eye on its enemies, studying and learning about their every move. These enemies wish to exterminate the Jewish people. Nasrallah in 2002 publicly wished all the Jews would gather in Israel to make it easier for him to kill them all. It sounds trivial you focus on Israeli flyovers when you compare it to this.
 
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  • Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    Then you use your eyes to see the road and surroundings. Why do you expect Israel to fight a war without keeping an eye on its enemies, studying and learning about their every move. These enemies wish to exterminate the Jewish people. Nasrallah in 2002 publicly wished all the Jews would gather in Israel to make it easier for him to kill them all. It sounds trivial you focus on Israeli flyovers when you compare it to this.
    Most flyovers are for psychological warfare and are pretty useless by now. That is why it is trivial.

    Access to satelite imagery and the mossad agents/collaborators galore is where all the data comes from . The flights and breaking the sound barrier at low altitudes is not that valuable.
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    Well it is not about Shebaa the international body asked lebanon amd syria to draw the whole borders which is easy to say but harder to do and that was the occasion they said Shebaa is lebanese but we cant be bothered to redraw with all the intertwined villages.
    Lebanon says its lebanese, Syria says its lebanese ...but israel says its Syrian.. that is why it has the right to stay there...makes no sense.
    Well if you can't be bothered to draw your own borders, Israel can't be bothered to withdraw from Syrian territory.

    wtf is a HaberriHa ...
    It is the proper way to refer to the relationship of Hizbullah and Berri. A single entity. Berri is empowered by Hizbullah. Singling out Berri implies he is a lone entity.
     
    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    Well if you can't be bothered to draw your own borders, Israel can't be bothered to withdraw from Syrian territory.



    It is the proper way to refer to the relationship of Hizbullah and Berri. A single entity. Berri is empowered by Hizbullah. Singling out Berri implies he is a lone entity.
    Syria* can't be bothered.
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    Syria* can't be bothered.
    So your beef is practically with Syria. Israel is not compelled to negotiate in good faith with shitty neighbors like these so you can understand why they do not trust the word of the Syrians and Lebanese. Ask yourself why Hizbullah, which has considerable influence over the Syrian regime, has not asked its ally to draw the borders and bolster Lebanon's diplomatic case for sovereignty over Shebaa Farms.
     
    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    So your beef is practically with Syria. Israel is not compelled to negotiate in good faith with shitty neighbors like these so you can understand why they do not trust the word of the Syrians and Lebanese. Ask yourself why Hizbullah, which has considerable influence over the Syrian regime, has not asked its ally to draw the borders and bolster Lebanon's diplomatic case for sovereignty over Shebaa Farms.
    Because i already said it in this thread:

    I see it more as a "raison d'être" for the right wing side of israel that reeps the benefits of a big scary bad guy. Israel needs HA to be scary as much as HA needs Israel to be scary.

    That is the status quo of the political system that currently exists.
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    i voted "Undecided " about peace agrement because .

    given that i spport that the radical left in Lebanon , palestine , syria , Jordan and Egypt retake is political weight in those respective countries and dictate the political agenda based on the support of the workers class .. the same i support regarding the radical left _anti sionist jews within the israeli community , i can cite here the israeli communist party Maki , and the Matzpen movement and The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) which create a joint comitee with the leftist palestinians of FPLP and FDLP in a democratic transition process based on the unity of the working class to create a one state solution called palestine : democratic , multi ethnic ,secular and socialist . with its first decision to allow the palestinian diaspora to go back ..

    that was the historical position of the radical left : yesterday , today and tommorrow ...for a peaceful and democratic transition and solution of the conflict ..

    if you opt to the extreme options : from one side (peace with sionist israel) and ( total war option) both have uncertain result..
    In the middle east, religion trumps economic ideology. Always. How long have you been following Lebanese politics? How have you not understood this yet?

    You should hear what Muslims say about Jews. Even your "anti-Zionist Jews" (you're over exaggerating their size btw) will not abandon their Jewish brothers. When it comes down to it, even the Haredim will carry weapons and fight to protect their communities.
     
    Nevermore

    Nevermore

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    Israel is not a hegemon in Jordan and Egypt. Nor anywhere else in the middle east. They seem to only get involved militarily against those who made themselves enemies of Israel. This is the complete opposite of the picture you and others try to paint of this regional power involving itself in the business of its neighbors and seeking to either subjugate them or annex them.
    Getting involved in each others' business is a natural fact of geopolitics. It doesn't have to control countries or significantly expand its territory to be a hegemon, just have friendly or compliant neighbors and the strongest military capabilities in the region. 'Enemies' is loaded terminology meant to justify indiscriminate violence. They get involved militarily when there's a national security interest, but Israel seems to expect those 'enemies' to take it lying down. It just so happens that a group of Lebanese had the ability to not take it lying down.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Your thread premise and question are as ridiculous as your post here. Doesn't add value to any real issue in the world.
    It is a ridiculous question and you've been ranting endlessly. Kif law kan jaddeh.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    In the middle east, religion trumps economic ideology. Always. How long have you been following Lebanese politics? How have you not understood this yet?

    You should hear what Muslims say about Jews. Even your "anti-Zionist Jews" (you're over exaggerating their size btw) will not abandon their Jewish brothers. When it comes down to it, even the Haredim will carry weapons and fight to protect their communities.
    if zionism is not acceptable ,..that absolutely desn't mean that political islam is acceptable .. " par condicio "
    some Haredim (satmar , naturei karta ...)have a religious justification for their anti zionism which is revealed by the book of the Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum .

    from a marxist point of view , the zionist project and the endorsement of Belfour to it is a colonial project and opposing is is legittimate as an anti colonialist policy followed by the USSR and the international communists..
    the policy of USSR encouraged the marxist jew through the foundation of a socialist israel -palestine that it can comprise both arabs and jews in a socialist alliance against the British colonialism .. during the 40'-50's
    and this political line is still present .. no matter how people it can convince .. that doesn't deny that its a realistic and peaceful approach to settle the whole issue instead of the armageddon vision of the permanent war theorized by the sionist from a part and the political islam from another part ..

    the Baath regime on the 80's thought that the collapse of soviet union the communism are over and they switched to an opportunist politics by endorsing the shia alliance with iran and which its first victims were the lebanese comunists .. while sending their soldiers to invade iraq on 1991 alongside the americans and permitting the hezbollah to get involved in bosnia war alongside al qaeda and NATO ..against the serbs , the historical allies of Russia ..

    now after 40 year some conclusions should be made ..

    do you think Russia will be watching in case israel get existantally threatened ?
    assuming that american wont ..
    will china accept it?
    will USA and the West ? mainly EU which is in direct threat ^?

    Khomeini and his shia followers like to burp from a wide A** as do the proverb in lebanon say hahaha .. leave him enjoy his moment of glory ..
     
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    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Unless you do indeed plan for a lifetime in perpetual war mood, occasionally swinging between panic anxiety attacks and euphoric illusions of victory, fear of dying by a dropped bomb and excitement over downing an enemy helicopter, you too would also want peace with Israel.

    The more correct question you should have asked is what's the cost and how much every one is willing to pay for it, including you.
    After all, the cause you carry in your avatar did cost us Lebanese way more than any self-screwing idiot deserves as a punishment for being so self screwing idiot.
    You can strip naked and raise your hand and wave a white piece of cloth and relocate to Zionistan. We can provide you safe passage till you cross the fence. So you show us the price you are willing to pay. We are not willing to surrender, be humiliated or offer our country in return for a so called "peace" with Israehell. We all love peace and detest war and destruction. But you shouldn't forget this is a mercilessly enemy that over time has only proved to understand the language of power and force. It only respects itself when it knows that for every bomb dropped on Lebanese territory another will land in their occupied territories. This thread if it has succeeded in anything proves we have people we regard as friends who still have a sheresh sohyooneh w bi 7enno 3al israe2ileh. Signing MoU and cheering for resistance are just means to cover the fact you can no longer impose your terms and conditions on the country as Aoun tried to do in the civil war era before his defeat and fleeing away. When you are pricked just a little and you feel little economic pressure or anger, you reveal your true selves. One word: unreliable.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    "Especially that they can do so incognito"?

    So, what, if you knew who they are you'd send Shiite thugs to beat and terrorize them? Don't hold it in, say what's in your heart. After all, you opened this thread to make FPMers speak what's in theirs.

    Ladies and gentlemen, meet your overlords. @Iron Maiden don't worry, you're safe buddy.
    Shu khas thugs? Many people dont like speaking on sensitive issues in public. I for one dont like talking politics in public. I dont see the need to engage in heated debate with people who may have views contrary to mine.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    So your beef is practically with Syria. Israel is not compelled to negotiate in good faith with shitty neighbors like these so you can understand why they do not trust the word of the Syrians and Lebanese. Ask yourself why Hizbullah, which has considerable influence over the Syrian regime, has not asked its ally to draw the borders and bolster Lebanon's diplomatic case for sovereignty over Shebaa Farms.
    This is really funny.

    There is a room space in between my house and my neighbor's that is mine. A third party comes in and takes control of that room. And his excuse when I asked him to leave? That I should tell my neighbor to prove the space is mine while he is the one in control of it. He accepts it doesnt belong to him, but he is so kind to me that he gives the impression he is only trespassing because he believes the space belongs to the neighbor and not to me. Does that really mean anything? An entity built on occupation and theft cant be honest here and you dare call others shitty. Shameless!!! For heaven's sake, you agree you are the thief here. But your contention is that you didnt steal from me but you stole from the other neighbor. If a thief makes such an argument in court, what do you think would happen to him? :lol:

    Syria cant draw any border while Israehell is occupying it militarily. But Syria has admitted the land is Lebanese. When Lebanon filed a claim at the UN in 2000 after Israehell fled from most of Lebanom, and Lebanon told the UN we still have occupied territory under Israehelli occupation, Lebanon was ruled by Syria and there was a Syrian militaty peacekeeping presence in Lebanon. If Syria thinks Shebaa belongs to Syria, Lebanon, then under Syrian tutelage qont have dared to claim it. Why not hand over what you have stolen and we will sort ourselves out with the Syrians?
     
    fidelio

    fidelio

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    It is a ridiculous question and you've been ranting endlessly. Kif law kan jaddeh.
    Maybe you missed the fact that my contribution was aimed at pointing out how ridiculous your opening post is.
    I was doing you a favor actually, but come to think about it now, maybe the ridicule you are getting is quite entertaining.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    @Big Brother

    WATCH BETWEEN 3 MINUTE TO 5 MINUTE; VERY RELEVANT TO THIS THREAD:

     
    My Moria Moon

    My Moria Moon

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    You can strip naked and raise your hand and wave a white piece of cloth and relocate to Zionistan. We can provide you safe passage till you cross the fence. So you show us the price you are willing to pay. We are not willing to surrender, be humiliated or offer our country in return for a so called "peace" with Israehell. We all love peace and detest war and destruction. But you shouldn't forget this is a mercilessly enemy that over time has only proved to understand the language of power and force. It only respects itself when it knows that for every bomb dropped on Lebanese territory another will land in their occupied territories. This thread if it has succeeded in anything proves we have people we regard as friends who still have a sheresh sohyooneh w bi 7enno 3al israe2ileh. Signing MoU and cheering for resistance are just means to cover the fact you can no longer impose your terms and conditions on the country as Aoun tried to do in the civil war era before his defeat and fleeing away. When you are pricked just a little and you feel little economic pressure or anger, you reveal your true selves. One word: unreliable.
    A rusty bullet bouncing in an empty can, that's how your yellow rhetoric from early seventies rattles in my ears. You don't even have a clue to what you reply to. While "Israehellies" live on ever happily, with their shekel still able to buy them cheap falafel, with their F-16's still roaming your skies while you gaze at them with open mouth, your leaders, from Berri el jerben to Nasr el Faqihstan, have sold you the illusion that mongering missiles and weapons to liberate Palestine, if not next week so by early summer 2126, comes before bread, hummus and a decent living.

    When you label people you just asked their opinion about peace with Israel as traitors and sahyouniye, do not whine when they do not congratulate you for your astronomical dumbness.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    A rusty bullet bouncing in an empty can, that's how your yellow rhetoric from early seventies rattles in my ears. You don't even have a clue to what you reply to. While "Israehellies" live on ever happily, with their shekel still able to buy them cheap falafel, with their F-16's still roaming your skies while you gaze at them with open mouth, your leaders, from Berri el jerben to Nasr el Faqihstan, have sold you the illusion that mongering missiles and weapons to liberate Palestine, if not next week so by early summer 2126, comes before bread, hummus and a decent living.

    When you label people you just asked their opinion about peace with Israel as traitors and sahyouniye, do not whine when they do not congratulate you for your astronomical dumbness.
    "One of Forbes' conclusions is that the Israeli shekel is among the most overvalued currencies in the region. Food prices in Israel have increased more than in any other developed country since 2005 and are currently 19 percent higher than other Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries – and 25 percent higher than Europe.

    "The Bank of Israel is attempting to fight the strength of the shekel, which appreciated 9 percent against the dollar last year," Forbes says. "The Kedmi Committee (colloquially referred to as the “food committee,”) formed after massive protests in 2011, blamed lack of competition for price hikes in food and consumer goods." According to the Falafel Index, a $4.62 falafel sandwich in Tel Aviv-Yafo is no exception, even when accounting for income per head."


    My comment:

    I can get you a huge sandwich of falafel for half a USD (2,000 Lira) in Dahiyeh and more than likely, of better taste than the ones sold in Tel Aviv, and with more flavor and ingredients. Maybe the Israehellis want to steal our falafel as well.

    Even your claims are false and the examples you make are out of touch with reality. Even though you tried sounding poetic in a lame way. So what is the solution you have to the problems you think we have?

    I said it on this forum. That after all the sanctions, the Shia would be the least affected. They will affect us but to limited extent and not as hard as it would affect others. Those rogues that have been labelling govts with sectarian quotas containing only two Hezballah ministers as "Hezbollah govts" will find their own people suffering the most from sanctions they have instigated the Americans to impose. They were playing partisan politics to shoot themselves on the foot.
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    I'm not asking you to trust Israel. But if people truly want to give peace a chance, the least that they can do is to stop threatening to destroy Israel.

    Trust between the countries can be built with time. But that process can't even start as long as one entity is threatening the existence of the other.
    This is a two way street, not one way.

    You are assuming that there is only one aggressor, and that aggressor is coming from Lebanon, which is false. What will stop Israel from occupying land south of the Litani river?
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    Jews will never again be cattle herded to slaughter. That has nothing to do with paranoia. Over a billion people on this planet consider us apes and pigs and wish us dead.

    If you think that means Israel is dictating how you run your country, tough luck.

    What is it you're arguing about, anyways? The right for your country to host terrorist organizations to attack Israel? If you're happy being a failed state to spite Israel and what you consider its "dictating of how you run your country" then who am I to shit on your parade.

    Lastly, let me remind you that Lebanon's passport is worth as much as that of North Korea. No one really cares if you're convinced that Israel is a democracy or not 😂. Fact of the matter is, Israel is the democracy Lebanon wishes it could be.

    By the way, seriously? Israel wants vassal states? Who's paranoid now?
    "over a billion people" roo2 ba2a, what is this nonsense, you are sounding like Gad Saad now.

    comparing states is irrelevant. Israel is a democracy bla bla bla, who gives a sh*t. Fact of the matter is that the 15 year occupation has led to these sequences of events and for HA to be toying with Israel. If Israel respected the wishes of Bachir Gmeyel in 82 and respected Lebanese sovereignty by withdrawing from the South after the PLO withdrew from Lebanon, none of this sh*t would have happened and some ordinary Shias would have not turned to fanaticism because there would be no reason to.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Jews will never again be cattle herded to slaughter. That has nothing to do with paranoia. Over a billion people on this planet consider us apes and pigs and wish us dead.
    The above about being regarded as apes and pigs is a very convenient lie someone extremist like Netanyahu could repeat and believe he is saying the truth. How come Jews have lived peacefully and more respected in Muslim lands and countries before Israehell was created as paid back for Muslim tolerance and respect for Jews because Jews were slaughtered in Europe by Christians and far right Nationalists. You are sounding as if Muslims have always been running from one corner to another searching for Jews to massacre. The Quran verse that speaks figuratively about pigs and apes refers to particular group of persons. If you now want to generalise it as applicable to all Jews and at all times and places, like some extremist Muslim preachers (the Muslim netanyahus) do and forget that for centuries Muslims had coexisted with Jews, at a time Europe was killing Jews, then you're an ungrateful extremist.
     
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