Does the FPM as a Party Want Peace with Israehell

Peace agreement with Israel?

  • I am an FPMer and I am undecided on peace agreement with Israel

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Indie

Indie

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Who said anything about me threatening them.

I just think it's naive from your part that even without HA Israel will cease to stop violating Lebanese airspace.

I don't trust them, why is it so hard for you to understand? would you still trust Bashar Al Assad if he came out today and said sorry about all the things he and his father have done in Lebanon and wants to make amends? no you wouldn't and I can understand why you wouldn't trust them.
I'm not asking you to trust Israel. But if people truly want to give peace a chance, the least that they can do is to stop threatening to destroy Israel.

Trust between the countries can be built with time. But that process can't even start as long as one entity is threatening the existence of the other.
 
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  • HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid

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    You can run your country however you like, but so far it seems you've decided to run your country in a way that allows terrorist organizations under foreign control to use your territory as base of operations for attacks, incursions, and genocidal rhetoric against Israel.
    I insist, you really don't have to prove my point for me, but thank you.
     
    L'arbalette

    L'arbalette

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    So I guess we have our answers. 80% want peace with Israel and that ratio doesn't depend on whether people are FPM or not.

    Do we need to keep wasting everyone's time on this question and on fantasy views of Lebanon's history? Peace will not happen any time soon because 1) Israel couldn't care less about this. They have the upperhand. They are prospering and we're drowning in our $hitt (also called Istoz). All they have to do is wait another year or two and we'll start eating eachother and 2) Our criminal warlords (starting with the Istoz) are very happy with the current set up, using the Southern neighbor as a bo3 bo3 and an excuse to keep milking the state and forbidding the establishment of a strong central government and rule of law.
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    I insist, you really don't have to prove my point for me, but thank you.
    I didn't make your point, your comprehension is off the mark here.

    You want to run your country in a way that negatively impacts and thus concerns Israel, but you want Israel to do nothing about it. That's your point.

    If you're not impacting Israel, Israel does not care about you. Not a single one of you produced a convincing answer as to why Israel cares enough to annex Lebanon. And I reckon none of you can produce such an answer. Your very successful country is unattractive.
     
    AtheistForJesus

    AtheistForJesus

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    So I guess we have our answers. 80% want peace with Israel and that ratio doesn't depend on whether people are FPM or not.

    Do we need to keep wasting everyone's time on this question and on fantasy views of Lebanon's history? Peace will not happen any time soon because 1) Israel couldn't care less about this. They have the upperhand. They are prospering and we're drowning in our $hitt (also called Istoz). All they have to do is wait another year or two and we'll start eating eachother and 2) Our criminal warlords (starting with the Istoz) are very happy with the current set up, using the Southern neighbor as a bo3 bo3 and an excuse to keep milking the state and forbidding the establishment of a strong central government and rule of law.
    When you say "our criminal warlords" are you also referring to Nasrallah?
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    It’s a choice between Jews partnered with Christian Zionists; or commie leftists allied with Shiite theologians...

    I’ll pass.
     
    fidelio

    fidelio

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    I'm asking because some people are naive to think Israehell is killing itself to have peace with us. Israehell only cares about making sure there is no powerful presence in Lebanon that can stand up to her in case it feels bored and wants to drop some bombs on Lebanon, as it is used to do in Palestine and in Lebanon, in the not too distant past. And some others have treachery running in their veins and believe all the conditions are right and we are the ones who dont want peace.
    Your thread premise and question are as ridiculous as your post here. Doesn't add value to any real issue in the world.
     
    My Moria Moon

    My Moria Moon

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    I think this thread is necessary due to the views of many FPMers on this forum, and also, due to the fact that this forum, which at a time used to be officially an FPM platform, plays host to Zionist Hasbara trolls, who often times spread Zionist propaganda and anti Lebanese narratives, and they have been given space under the umbrella of freedom of speech. Therefore, I want FPMers to express themselves freely, especially that they can do so incognito. Does the FPM and do FPMers want peace agreement between Lebanon and Israehell?

    If you support peace agreement with Israehell, why or why not?

    Is there a consensus on this within the FPM as a party?

    What is the official stance of the FPM and where does the MoU with Hezballah come into play?

    Do you think Israehell will agree to anything not inclusive of Tawteen or naturalisation of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon?

    What of disputed borders, both sea and land and Israehell's drive to steal our oil and gas wealth in the sea by encroaching? How would that be solved?

    What of remaining occupied lands like the Shebaa farms, the Kfar Shooba hills, Ghajar and the seven villages?

    What of violations of our airspace and land?

    What are the guarantees Israehell wont invade us in future?
    Unless you do indeed plan for a lifetime in perpetual war mood, occasionally swinging between panic anxiety attacks and euphoric illusions of victory, fear of dying by a dropped bomb and excitement over downing an enemy helicopter, you too would also want peace with Israel.

    The more correct question you should have asked is what's the cost and how much every one is willing to pay for it, including you.
    After all, the cause you carry in your avatar did cost us Lebanese way more than any self-screwing idiot deserves as a punishment for being so self screwing idiot.
     
    HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid

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    I didn't make your point, your comprehension is off the mark here.

    You want to run your country in a way that negatively impacts and thus concerns Israel, but you want Israel to do nothing about it. That's your point.

    If you're not impacting Israel, Israel does not care about you. Not a single one of you produced a convincing answer as to why Israel cares enough to annex Lebanon. And I reckon none of you can produce such an answer. Your very successful country is unattractive.
    I don't know if you're being earnest or really are just this disingenuous.

    Dictating how the Lebanese run their country because your paranoid state (for good reason because ethno-nationalist projects are untenable) wants to ensure its military superiority by creating a convenient narrative of Lebanon's defenses that reinforces your uber-militarization is exactly the point. I don't know what convenient excuse Israel would create if HA's arms didn't exist but I'm sure it'll find one. Maybe the sun shining off of Samir Geagea's and Walid Jumblatt's bald heads is reflecting too brightly and affecting its missile defenses, etc.

    Again, your latter point is a red herring. No one is convinced of Israel's scrappy little democracy just tryna get by status just because you tell us how terrible Lebanon is and how you would never want it. That was never the question, it was always that you want vassal states on your borders. You're not being clever or cute with this distraction.
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    I don't know if you're being earnest or really are just this disingenuous.

    Dictating how the Lebanese run their country because your paranoid state (for good reason because ethno-nationalist projects are untenable) wants to ensure its military superiority by creating a convenient narrative of Lebanon's defenses that reinforces your uber-militarization is exactly the point. I don't know what convenient excuse Israel would create if HA's arms didn't exist but I'm sure it'll find one. Maybe the sun shining off of Samir Geagea's and Walid Jumblatt's bald heads is reflecting too brightly and affecting its missile defenses, etc.

    Again, your latter point is a red herring. No one is convinced of Israel's scrappy little democracy just tryna get by status just because you tell us how terrible Lebanon is and how you would never want it. That was never the question, it was always that you want vassal states on your borders. You're not being clever or cute with this distraction.
    Jews will never again be cattle herded to slaughter. That has nothing to do with paranoia. Over a billion people on this planet consider us apes and pigs and wish us dead.

    If you think that means Israel is dictating how you run your country, tough luck.

    What is it you're arguing about, anyways? The right for your country to host terrorist organizations to attack Israel? If you're happy being a failed state to spite Israel and what you consider its "dictating of how you run your country" then who am I to shit on your parade.

    Lastly, let me remind you that Lebanon's passport is worth as much as that of North Korea. No one really cares if you're convinced that Israel is a democracy or not 😂. Fact of the matter is, Israel is the democracy Lebanon wishes it could be.

    By the way, seriously? Israel wants vassal states? Who's paranoid now?
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    I think this thread is necessary due to the views of many FPMers on this forum, and also, due to the fact that this forum, which at a time used to be officially an FPM platform, plays host to Zionist Hasbara trolls, who often times spread Zionist propaganda and anti Lebanese narratives, and they have been given space under the umbrella of freedom of speech. Therefore, I want FPMers to express themselves freely, especially that they can do so incognito. Does the FPM and do FPMers want peace agreement between Lebanon and Israehell?

    If you support peace agreement with Israehell, why or why not?

    Is there a consensus on this within the FPM as a party?

    What is the official stance of the FPM and where does the MoU with Hezballah come into play?

    Do you think Israehell will agree to anything not inclusive of Tawteen or naturalisation of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon?

    What of disputed borders, both sea and land and Israehell's drive to steal our oil and gas wealth in the sea by encroaching? How would that be solved?

    What of remaining occupied lands like the Shebaa farms, the Kfar Shooba hills, Ghajar and the seven villages?

    What of violations of our airspace and land?

    What are the guarantees Israehell wont invade us in future?
    "Especially that they can do so incognito"?

    So, what, if you knew who they are you'd send Shiite thugs to beat and terrorize them? Don't hold it in, say what's in your heart. After all, you opened this thread to make FPMers speak what's in theirs.

    Ladies and gentlemen, meet your overlords. @Iron Maiden don't worry, you're safe buddy.
     
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    SAVO

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    i voted "Undecided " about peace agrement because .

    given that i spport that the radical left in Lebanon , palestine , syria , Jordan and Egypt retake is political weight in those respective countries and dictate the political agenda based on the support of the workers class .. the same i support regarding the radical left _anti sionist jews within the israeli community , i can cite here the israeli communist party Maki , and the Matzpen movement and The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) which create a joint comitee with the leftist palestinians of FPLP and FDLP in a democratic transition process based on the unity of the working class to create a one state solution called palestine : democratic , multi ethnic ,secular and socialist . with its first decision to allow the palestinian diaspora to go back ..

    that was the historical position of the radical left : yesterday , today and tommorrow ...for a peaceful and democratic transition and solution of the conflict ..

    if you opt to the extreme options : from one side (peace with sionist israel) and ( total war option) both have uncertain result..
     
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    Nevermore

    Nevermore

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    What is it you're arguing about, anyways? The right for your country to host terrorist organizations to attack Israel? If you're happy being a failed state to spite Israel and what you consider its "dictating of how you run your country" then who am I to shit on your parade.

    By the way, seriously? Israel wants vassal states? Who's paranoid now?
    The reasonable thing for Israel to do is to seek regional hegemony to secure its borders and ensure its continued survival. That includes subjugating the states around it. Syria's weak, Jordan and Egypt are no longer hostile - actually, they're very friendly. The only entity presenting a challenge to hegemony is Hizbullah. Without Hizbullah, Lebanon is ineffective at stopping Israeli hegemony, and, thus, securing its own borders without full capitulation. If you have Lebanon's interest at heart, you'd understand as much.
     
    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    Shebaa Farms is Syrian according to international law
    Do your homework.
    Shebaa status is more complex to boil it down for u. The international law end result was we do not know its confusing so try to work it out with syria. Whatever you guys decide is fine with us.
    Syria claimed it is lebanese several times publicly but refused to officially draw borders (d!ck move)

    We are blessed with shit neighbors, a shittier population but i am glad we at least have berri
     
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    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    I didn't make your point, your comprehension is off the mark here.

    You want to run your country in a way that negatively impacts and thus concerns Israel, but you want Israel to do nothing about it. That's your point.

    If you're not impacting Israel, Israel does not care about you. Not a single one of you produced a convincing answer as to why Israel cares enough to annex Lebanon. And I reckon none of you can produce such an answer. Your very successful country is unattractive.
    Israel is running its country in a way that is negative to lebanon...
    yaay i get a say in the Israeli elections now!! (ye talking abt the refugees and the threats of bombing lebanon back to the middle ages)
    Where do i vote for the israeli elections?

    Right to protect itself within its borders 3a rase...right to breach borders that is utter BS.
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    The reasonable thing for Israel to do is to seek regional hegemony to secure its borders and ensure its continued survival. That includes subjugating the states around it. Syria's weak, Jordan and Egypt are no longer hostile - actually, they're very friendly. The only entity presenting a challenge to hegemony is Hizbullah. Without Hizbullah, Lebanon is ineffective at stopping Israeli hegemony, and, thus, securing its own borders without full capitulation. If you have Lebanon's interest at heart, you'd understand as much.
    Israel is not a hegemon in Jordan and Egypt. Nor anywhere else in the middle east. They seem to only get involved militarily against those who made themselves enemies of Israel. This is the complete opposite of the picture you and others try to paint of this regional power involving itself in the business of its neighbors and seeking to either subjugate them or annex them.
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    Do your homework.
    Shebaa status is more complex to boil it down for u. The international law end result was we do not know its confusing so try to work it out with syria. Whatever you guys decide is fine with us.
    Syria claimed it is lebanese several times publicly but refused to officially draw borders (d!ck move)

    We are blessed with shit neighbors, a shittier population but i am glad we at least have berri
    What's confusing about it? You said it. Syria refuses to draw Shebaa Farms borders within Lebanese borders and thus we are left with what the old maps say and they say it's within Syrian borders. As far as Israel is concerned, that area is part of the Golan Heights.

    You are being disingenuous when you fail to write HABerriHA... first with yourself and second with the rest of us.
     
    Big Brother

    Big Brother

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    Israel is running its country in a way that is negative to lebanon...
    yaay i get a say in the Israeli elections now!! (ye talking abt the refugees and the threats of bombing lebanon back to the middle ages)
    Where do i vote for the israeli elections?

    Right to protect itself within its borders 3a rase...right to breach borders that is utter BS.
    Do you drive with blindfolds?
     
    Mrsrx

    Mrsrx

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    What's confusing about it? You said it. Syria refuses to draw Shebaa Farms borders within Lebanese borders and thus we are left with what the old maps say and they say it's within Syrian borders. As far as Israel is concerned, that area is part of the Golan Heights.

    You are being disingenuous when you fail to write HABerriHA... first with yourself and second with the rest of us.
    Well it is not about Shebaa the international body asked lebanon amd syria to draw the whole borders which is easy to say but harder to do and that was the occasion they said Shebaa is lebanese but we cant be bothered to redraw with all the intertwined villages.
    Lebanon says its lebanese, Syria says its lebanese ...but israel says its Syrian.. that is why it has the right to stay there...makes no sense.

    wtf is a HaberriHa ...
     
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