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Druze-Maronite Conflict During the Lebanese Civil War

The_FPMer

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Ignored for good. Literal-minded where it suits you. And daft where it suits you.
Prince of Libanais refers to Druze Princes. Sons of Labor to Bani Maaroof, the very Druze name.
The Tsidians are the Druze ancestors and old gnostic school which Druze are from. Druze are not a "sect" and didn't come to existence in the 1100s.

I can't spoon-feed you knowledge and wisdom. My hand hurts and your mouth just blabbers.
You want that to be true for emotional reasons but no true Mason ever claimed that, only Druzes do.

I've read Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma from cover to cover, all 800+ pages of it and not once if I remember correctly he has mentioned the Druze sect. I would be happy to be corrected.

There are links between Masonry and esoteric religions such as the Druzes but everything that you're claiming above is from your own mind and the fiction of the Druzes. Druzes claim that they themselves have supplied cedar to Solomon to build his temple but no one outside of this small group claims that. It is fiction to puff up the Druze sect no more.
 

The_FPMer

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Yeah, apparently Maronites were all busy, so the Crusaders had to get that Phoenician knowledge from the lazy Druze, who are not Phoenician or have anything to do with that degree or tradition, just perpetuated it out of thin air, while just happening to be around the area of Sidon and organized as brethren in a secret Gnostic school. :)

He who stole our mountain would not feign an eye from stealing our history and deforming our past. These 1600s Syrienne were not even in Lebanon to have an impact. And even when they came to Lebanon and claimed to be Lebanese "Sheikhs" and protectors of cedar trees, the freemason grandmasters and founders knew who to visit when they visited Lebanon.
No one stole your mountain, you belong to a small sect that calls you "jouhhal"and therefore the bulk of the Druze population never actually produced much and that is why they got taken over by the Maronites and today have very little sway in the Lebanese politics.

And because of that you have to resort to silly hyperboles like "The lowest rank Durzi living in isolation in some distant mountain valley, has more ethics, morality and culture than your highest popes and pontiffs" and hyper-inflating a role you have played in the past because currently you have no role in the present and the future for you is very bleak.

Similar behavioral patterns occur with Native Americans who keep inflating their theology with bullsh1t like "We are protectors of the Earth" and silly lies like that to cover up that they never had a written language and they were thousands of years behind technologically than the rest of the world and that is why the Europeans were able to conquer them so swiftly.
 
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NAFAR

Legendary Member
Then pull up a proper history book. And tell me where the "armed men" of those "unarmed women and children" went. And what they were doing before 1860 and 1983 happened.

This is a set back after the moral progress you showed in your previous posts; You are again justifying the massacre of unarmed women and children.
You even dropped the 1977 massacres from your sentence, because you couldn't find any reason to justify it.
As I told you before there is no glory in massacring unarmed women and children under any circumstances.... it is a coward despicable horrendous crime.
Once we agree on the above, we can all live in peace......... otherwise, one can always find excuses to commit massacres against unarmed women and children.
 

Myso

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Orange Room Supporter
This is a set back after the moral progress you showed in your previous posts; You are again justifying the massacre of unarmed women and children.
You even dropped the 1977 massacres from your sentence, because you couldn't find any reason to justify it.
As I told you before there is no glory in massacring unarmed women and children under any circumstances.... it is a coward despicable horrendous crime.
Once we agree on the above, we can all live in peace......... otherwise, one can always find excuses to commit massacres against unarmed women and children.

There's no disagreement there. As I pointed out.
By pointing to your "armed men" and I'm simply portraying hypocrisy on your end. Not justifying the massacre of anyone.
 

modesty

Well-Known Member
Jumblatt formally apologizes to Assad
Lebanese Druze leader has accused Syrian president of murder, dictatorship.
After years of alliances with Western-leaning politicians and fierce anti-Syrian rhetoric, Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt has issued a formal apology to Syrian President Bashar Assad for controversial statements slamming the Alawite regime.


Speaking to Al Jazeera on Saturday night, Jumblatt said he had “offended Assad during a moment of anger,” adding that he knew his words must have been intolerable to the Syrian leader. “I used inappropriate language,” he told the news channel. His words were communicated by Al-Nahar.


The Druze politician, who heads Lebanon’s Progressive Socialist party, suggested that it was in both countries’ interests to turn over a new leaf. "In the past I would say: 'forgive but don't forget.' Today I say: 'forgive and forget,'" he was quoted as saying.


Jumblatt’s earlier rhetoric was fueled in part by rumors that Syria had perpetrated the murder of his father, Kamal Jumblatt, in 1977, and later former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in 2005. In the past, he had called Assad a dictator and a product of Israeli machinations.


Jumblatt’s position was further compromised by the rift caused in Lebanese society following Hariri’s assassination, when the Hizbullah-backed opposition and US and French-backed coalition clashed over Syria’s continued military presence in the country.Though Syria withdrew from Lebanon in 2005, the leadership in Damascushas cultivated close ties with that in Beirut. Lebanese Prime MinisterRafik Hariri, who was elected in June 2009 and formed a coalition laterthat year, made a historical official visit to Syria in December 2009.


In his Al Jazeera interview, Jumblatt stressed his willingness to visitDamascus were he to receive an invitation from Assad. “I want to tellthe Syrian people that we share the same destiny,” he reportedly said.“We are one people, one land.”
Jumblatt went on to speak of pressing regional issues, among them theIsraeli-Palestinian conflict. “Arabs are divided everywhere” in theface of Israeli and Western “aggression,” he said.


He concluded by saying that he hoped his son would grow up to “see a new, secular Middle East.”
 

modesty

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"وﻻ بد طبعاً من إستذكار الدور الكبير الذي قام به العماد الشهابي إلى جانب القوى الوطنية اللبنانية لمنع تقسيم لبنان من خلال مواجهة إسرائيل وعملائها المحليين وقطع الطريق على المشاريع الفئوية التي استهدفت عروبة لبنان، ووضع إمكانيات الجيش العربي السوري الى جانب الوطنيين اللبنانيين في معركة سوق الغرب اﻷولى، وفي العديد من المحطات المفصلية اﻷخرى
 

The_FPMer

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"وﻻ بد طبعاً من إستذكار الدور الكبير الذي قام به العماد الشهابي إلى جانب القوى الوطنية اللبنانية لمنع تقسيم لبنان من خلال مواجهة إسرائيل وعملائها المحليين وقطع الطريق على المشاريع الفئوية التي استهدفت عروبة لبنان، ووضع إمكانيات الجيش العربي السوري الى جانب الوطنيين اللبنانيين في معركة سوق الغرب اﻷولى، وفي العديد من المحطات المفصلية اﻷخرى
Of course, he saved his bony ass in 83.
 

modesty

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وليد جنبلاط يتحدث عن لقائه مع شمعون بيريز ايام الاجتياح الاسرائيلي سنة ١٩٨٢AB05103C-2523-458C-8B54-0062F876FC6D.jpeg
 

The Bidenator

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Orange Room Supporter
Ignored for good. Literal-minded where it suits you. And daft where it suits you.
Prince of Libanais refers to Druze Princes. Sons of Labor to Bani Maaroof, the very Druze name.
The Tsidians are the Druze ancestors and old gnostic school which Druze are from. Druze are not a "sect" and didn't come to existence in the 1100s.

I can't spoon-feed you knowledge and wisdom. My hand hurts and your mouth just blabbers.

Cry more dude.
 

Myso

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
Cry more dude.


هيدي دمعة عين الفكر
على مخوخ مصداي


Your smart friend searched through a different book by Albert Pike, to try and disprove my citation from another book.
It's the funniest thing that has even happened to me on here.
I haven't seen someone as stupid and pretentious at the same time.
He can't even read book titles.

For all those interested the sources are...

Liturgy of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry: For the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States
Book by Albert Pike.


It's also referenced by Grandmaster Timothy Hogan in his book Entering the Chain of Union:

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But "came to be so prominent in Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" means something to us but something else to your smart friend.

I'm so very glad that he's the first person on here I ignore.
 

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Saqar18

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هيدي دمعة عين الفكر
على مخوخ مصداي


Your smart friend searched through a different book by Albert Pike, to try and disprove my citation from another book.
It's the funniest thing that has even happened to me on here.
I haven't seen someone as stupid and pretentious at the same time.
He can't even read book titles.

For all those interested the sources are...

Liturgy of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry: For the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States
Book by Albert Pike.


It's also referenced by Grandmaster Timothy Hogan in his book Entering the Chain of Union:

View attachment 18625

But "came to be so prominent in Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" means something to us but something else to your smart friend.

I'm so very glad that he's the first person on here I ignore.
I have a question.

So these interactions, that the templars and the druze had. I have my opinon on what it means in todays terms.
For example.
By the sources above. We can see there are influences from the emirate of lebanon at the time of the templars. ( at this time, the religion was shut from outsiders if im not wrong).
To see them hold on to this degree, and celebrate (or be clear about it)who has influenced them during their begginings, is interesting. They seem to "show it off" in a way. Its pretty cool

Myso what can they learn thats so deep from a religion thats secretive?

You can only get so much info right? Or is it more lifestyle the masons noticed about the druze that they decides to implement?
 

The_FPMer

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هيدي دمعة عين الفكر
على مخوخ مصداي


Your smart friend searched through a different book by Albert Pike, to try and disprove my citation from another book.
It's the funniest thing that has even happened to me on here.
I haven't seen someone as stupid and pretentious at the same time.
He can't even read book titles.

For all those interested the sources are...

Liturgy of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry: For the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States
Book by Albert Pike.


It's also referenced by Grandmaster Timothy Hogan in his book Entering the Chain of Union:

View attachment 18625

But "came to be so prominent in Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" means something to us but something else to your smart friend.

I'm so very glad that he's the first person on here I ignore.
Lies and delusions as usual. I responded to your quote by saying that Pike is merely saying that the Druzes perpetuated the colleges nothing more.

-You said that Pike refers to the rite as the "Druze working man" but never provided a source.
-You said that Prince of Libanus refers to the Druze Princes but never provided a source.
-You said that the Druzes are descendants of the Tsidians but never provided a source.

Only a small sentence which you extrapolated into a hyperbole.

I then added Morals and Dogma to my answer to prove to you that you're searching for answers that are not there in Pike's mind because not once he has mentioned the Druzes in his magnum opus.

You use the same tactics when hard pressed to show proof about your beliefs. Either snubbing of personal attacks.

I asked you about history and you jumped to Freemasonry to prove something that everyone knows, Druzes where not productive and where taken over.
 

Myso

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
I have a question.

So these interactions, that the templars and the druze had. I have my opinon on what it means in todays terms.
For example.
By the sources above. We can see there are influences from the emirate of lebanon at the time of the templars. ( at this time, the religion was shut from outsiders if im not wrong).
To see them hold on to this degree, and celebrate (or be clear about it)who has influenced them during their begginings, is interesting. They seem to "show it off" in a way. Its pretty cool

Myso what can they learn thats so deep from a religion thats secretive?

You can only get so much info right? Or is it more lifestyle the masons noticed about the druze that they decides to implement?

No, brother. Some were initiated in our faith, back then it was still open.
Others were not initiated but welcomed in.

Any Freemason or Christian or Muslim that exhibits hermetic knowledge and wisdom is welcomed to attend our meetings. For we are NOT prohibited from sharing our secrets with the worthy. There are contemporary Christians today that know a lot about the Druze, and can even add knowledge and wisdom to our circles. I can name Prof. Richard Khoury in Lebanon. I also consider Philip Hitti to be very knowledgeable of the Druze, but our friend above butchered his book by quoting it out of context, misrepresenting what he actually thinks and states about the Druze. But then he's more into posting screenshots than answering questions or even asking them.
 

Saqar18

New Member
No, brother. Some were initiated in our faith, back then it was still open.
Others were not initiated but welcomed in.

Any Freemason or Christian or Muslim that exhibits hermetic knowledge and wisdom is welcomed to attend our meetings. For we are NOT prohibited from sharing our secrets with the worthy. There are contemporary Christians today that know a lot about the Druze, and can even add knowledge and wisdom to our circles. I can name Prof. Richard Khoury in Lebanon. I also consider Philip Hitti to be very knowledgeable of the Druze, but our friend above butchered his book by quoting it out of context, misrepresenting what he actually thinks and states about the Druze. But then he's more into posting screenshots than answering questions or even asking them.
This is why you say there are white european druze. I see.

Thank you for sharing. Well, since you're the source of teaching here, since you are druze, i just stayed focus on what you were saying.
 

modesty

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No, brother. Some were initiated in our faith, back then it was still open.
Others were not initiated but welcomed in.

Any Freemason or Christian or Muslim that exhibits hermetic knowledge and wisdom is welcomed to attend our meetings. For we are NOT prohibited from sharing our secrets with the worthy. There are contemporary Christians today that know a lot about the Druze, and can even add knowledge and wisdom to our circles. I can name Prof. Richard Khoury in Lebanon. I also consider Philip Hitti to be very knowledgeable of the Druze, but our friend above butchered his book by quoting it out of context, misrepresenting what he actually thinks and states about the Druze. But then he's more into posting screenshots than answering questions or even asking them.

مرة اخرى يتبين انك غير ملم بحقيقة ما كتب الدكتور حتي عن الدروز في كتابه الشهير " تاريخ لبنان"، لأني نقلت كل ما كتبه عن هذا الموضوع في هذا الكتاب من الصفحة ٣١٤ حتى ٣٢٢ ولم اخفي شيء والواضح انه كلام إيجابي، اما فيما خص باقي ما نشرت من وثائق مصورة فاعتقد ان الموضوع المطروح هو الصراع بين الدروز والمسيحيين وليس الدعاية الدينية، كما انه لم يردني اي سؤال جدي حتى اجاوب عليه.
 

Saqar18

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مرة اخرى يتبين انك غير ملم بحقيقة ما كتب الدكتور حتي عن الدروز في كتابه الشهير " تاريخ لبنان"، لأني نقلت كل ما كتبه عن هذا الموضوع في هذا الكتاب من الصفحة ٣١٤ حتى ٣٢٢ ولم اخفي شيء والواضح انه كلام إيجابي، اما فيما خص باقي ما نشرت من وثائق مصورة فاعتقد ان الموضوع المطروح هو الصراع بين الدروز والمسيحيين وليس الدعاية الدينية، كما انه لم يردني اي سؤال جدي حتى اجاوب عليه.
Cant read arabic 👎
 

Ice Tea

Active Member
Agree, but the musala7a must happen on the base level which didn't happen yet.
LF and PSP may at any time become opponents in politics.
However the musal7a should be on solid ground.
Druze must publicly admit that the massacres committed against Christian unarmed civilians in 1976 after Jumblat assassination and in 1983 after the LF military defeat was horrible despicable coward crimes that must never happen in the future.
Druze must teach their children to never repeat such crimes and massacres against unarmed civilians under any circumstances.
Druze must teach their children that killing unarmed civilians is an unforgiving act that will hunt them up to the grave and will also have consequences in the after life (like being in hell forever).
Only then when the new Druze generation is brought up on the above ethics and values, the Christians will feel save to peacefully coexist with their Druze neighbours.


sir, i`m from the newer Christian generation and let me tell you something: we do feel safe AND protected among the Druze. why reopen old wounds when we are closer than ever now? both communities were stupid enough to carry massacres against each other instead of being the obvious allies that we naturally are. I think both communities learned from their past mistakes, and that`s why the level of interaction between between Christians and Druze nowadays is unique and not found among other communities. Go to Rashaya to see what I`m talking about, the town is like 85% Druze 15% Christian and it`s like one big family. On Easter, even Druze from Hasbaya come to celebrate with their Christian brothers. it`s beautiful.

The Druze moved on, LF Christians moved on and even FPMers from the South moved on. Its only some out-of-touch FPMers from Kesserwan (who probably don`t even know many Druze) who still resent the Druze, and think think they are evil Muslims who are out there to kill Christians, when 1) they are not even Muslims and 2) the Christian-Druze conflict was one of power and land, not religion.

Let me tell you two stories:

When ISIS came to Sweida, do you know one of the first things the Druze did? They hid and secured the Christian minority. That`s why no Christian was abducted or killed during the attacks. They did that knowing that according to ISIS` islamic extremist ideology the Druze should be completely genocided, because to them they are the most perverted heretics, while Christians as `people of the book` would be `spared` if paid jizya or converted. But they knew that the pure and pious Orthodox Christians of Sweida would never convert even with a gun on their heads, so they chose to ensure Christians` safety before their own, because they knew that as a small minority the Christians could easily be exterminated from Sweida. a Christian from Sweida who told me all of this.

I know the affected personally in this next one. Two young Christian siblings from the mixed Christian-Druze town of Hammana lost their parents in a tragic accident and had no one to take care of them. So a religious Druze family took them in for some time and comforted them until their other relatives were able to take them. The Druze woman, who wears the white Druze veil, check on and visits the Christian kids till today.
 

NAFAR

Legendary Member
sir, i`m from the newer Christian generation and let me tell you something: we do feel safe AND protected among the Druze. why reopen old wounds when we are closer than ever now? both communities were stupid enough to carry massacres against each other instead of being the obvious allies that we naturally are. I think both communities learned from their past mistakes, and that`s why the level of interaction between between Christians and Druze nowadays is unique and not found among other communities. Go to Rashaya to see what I`m talking about, the town is like 85% Druze 15% Christian and it`s like one big family. On Easter, even Druze from Hasbaya come to celebrate with their Christian brothers. it`s beautiful.

The Druze moved on, LF Christians moved on and even FPMers from the South moved on. Its only some out-of-touch FPMers from Kesserwan (who probably don`t even know many Druze) who still resent the Druze, and think think they are evil Muslims who are out there to kill Christians, when 1) they are not even Muslims and 2) the Christian-Druze conflict was one of power and land, not religion.

Let me tell you two stories:

When ISIS came to Sweida, do you know one of the first things the Druze did? They hid and secured the Christian minority. That`s why no Christian was abducted or killed during the attacks. They did that knowing that according to ISIS` islamic extremist ideology the Druze should be completely genocided, because to them they are the most perverted heretics, while Christians as `people of the book` would be `spared` if paid jizya or converted. But they knew that the pure and pious Orthodox Christians of Sweida would never convert even with a gun on their heads, so they chose to ensure Christians` safety before their own, because they knew that as a small minority the Christians could easily be exterminated from Sweida. a Christian from Sweida who told me all of this.

I know the affected personally in this next one. Two young Christian siblings from the mixed Christian-Druze town of Hammana lost their parents in a tragic accident and had no one to take care of them. So a religious Druze family took them in for some time and comforted them until their other relatives were able to take them. The Druze woman, who wears the white Druze veil, check on and visits the Christian kids till today.

All what you stated in your post is wonderful and may be true to some extent.......I won't argue that.
I personally have Druze friends from B3akline and they are wonderful people.

However there is still a big size of Druze living in the mid-eval era and at any tensions between Jubmlat and FPM you see them all over social media threatening to massacre Christians and to do this and that........
In the last parliamentary elections didn't you hear Abu Fa3ur and other PSP figures speeches reminding the "in3izalyiin" of civil war and recalling upon "al jaych al sha3by" and throwing threats left and right...... I tell you it was despicable...... all of this because the Christians of Chouf and Aley decided to elect their own deputies outside of Al Beik circle.

When Jumblat called the Maronites as "Jins 3atel" in front of many Druze high rank clerics..... not a single Durzi cleric denounced such a hate stereotype statement...... do you know that a "Jins 3atel" can be a legitimate target to be eradicated when the time is right to do so?
 

modesty

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هذا ما قالته الجبهة الللبنانية بعد حادثة اغتيال كمال جنبلاط وحدوث المجزرة الرهيبة التي وقعت بعد ذلك فهي لم توجه الاتهام للطائفة الدرزية بل لفئات حزبية وهذا يدل على منحى الجبهة الوطني وليس الطائفي كما يتهمها778C415F-B60B-477E-A7BF-C09A6960F940.jpeg البعض
 
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