Druze-Maronite Conflict During the Lebanese Civil War

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هذا ما قالته الجبهة الللبنانية بعد حادثة اغتيال كمال جنبلاط وحدوث المجزرة الرهيبة التي وقعت بعد ذلك فهي لم توجه الاتهام للطائفة الدرزية بل لفئات حزبية وهذا يدل على منحى الجبهة الوطني وليس الطائفي كما يتهمهاView attachment 18677 البعض​

They meant PSP militia..... who are the majority of the Druze.
As I see it the PSP/Jumblat militia-genocidal mind must change or Druze must shift to a new political leadership...... which is not available at the moment.

 

[The_FPMer]

All what you stated in your post is wonderful and may be true to some extent.......I won't argue that.
I personally have Druze friends from B3akline and they are wonderful people.

However there is still a big size of Druze living in the mid-eval era and at any tensions between Jubmlat and FPM you see them all over social media threatening to massacre Christians and to do this and that........
In the last parliamentary elections didn't you hear Abu Fa3ur and other PSP figures speeches reminding the "in3izalyiin" of civil war and recalling upon "al jaych al sha3by" and throwing threats left and right...... I tell you it was despicable...... all of this because the Christians of Chouf and Aley decided to elect their own deputies outside of Al Beik circle.

When Jumblat called the Maronites as "Jins 3atel" in front of many Druze high rank clerics..... not a single Durzi cleric denounced such a hate stereotype statement...... do you know that a "Jins 3atel" can be a legitimate target to be eradicated when the time is right to do so?

Don't fret, 7ash al-Sha3by narratives are purely for public consumption. Druzes are unable to wage war against anyone because they're dwindling and weak. There's very little job creation in the Druze areas, they're trying to hold on whatever small fragments they still have of the Mountain. Their religious clergy have little creative ideas to stimulate their flock in a 21st century world beyond trying to incentivize higher birth rates and their main politician, akin to a Messiah for them, is old and has heir uninterested in politics all-together.

 

[Saqar18]

sir, i`m from the newer Christian generation and let me tell you something: we do feel safe AND protected among the Druze. why reopen old wounds when we are closer than ever now? both communities were stupid enough to carry massacres against each other instead of being the obvious allies that we naturally are. I think both communities learned from their past mistakes, and that`s why the level of interaction between between Christians and Druze nowadays is unique and not found among other communities. Go to Rashaya to see what I`m talking about, the town is like 85% Druze 15% Christian and it`s like one big family. On Easter, even Druze from Hasbaya come to celebrate with their Christian brothers. it`s beautiful.

The Druze moved on, LF Christians moved on and even FPMers from the South moved on. Its only some out-of-touch FPMers from Kesserwan (who probably don`t even know many Druze) who still resent the Druze, and think think they are evil Muslims who are out there to kill Christians, when 1) they are not even Muslims and 2) the Christian-Druze conflict was one of power and land, not religion.

Let me tell you two stories:

When ISIS came to Sweida, do you know one of the first things the Druze did? They hid and secured the Christian minority. That`s why no Christian was abducted or killed during the attacks. They did that knowing that according to ISIS` islamic extremist ideology the Druze should be completely genocided, because to them they are the most perverted heretics, while Christians as `people of the book` would be `spared` if paid jizya or converted. But they knew that the pure and pious Orthodox Christians of Sweida would never convert even with a gun on their heads, so they chose to ensure Christians` safety before their own, because they knew that as a small minority the Christians could easily be exterminated from Sweida. a Christian from Sweida who told me all of this.

I know the affected personally in this next one. Two young Christian siblings from the mixed Christian-Druze town of Hammana lost their parents in a tragic accident and had no one to take care of them. So a religious Druze family took them in for some time and comforted them until their other relatives were able to take them. The Druze woman, who wears the white Druze veil, check on and visits the Christian kids till today.

Thank you, i didnt know of these stories

 

[The Bidenator]

@Ice Tea (welcome back) @Saqar18

Aounists looking at this lovefest like

 

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جن الشوف
بأسمو ب شوف
سر بأسمو متخفي
قلبو صلب
و بدل الصلب
جربو غتالوه ب خفي
و هيدا الإسرائلي عون
بكرا رح يهرب من هون
ما معود شغلي يكفي.

You can’t say aoun is pro Israel. History assured us as Lebanese citizens that Michel Aoun is more nationalist than anyone. In 1982 and after including the last clashes with HA PSP and especially Chouheyib and joumblatt were aided by Israelis’ satellite secret information systems.
The son of Marwan Hmadé was a CEO in ISRAEL undercover communication company.
I have lot of friends PSP eating with talking with them everyday as most of LF and ex LF members they prefer Israel. What explain now that Geagea and joumblatt are in the same ditch.
Wal salam

 

[Saqar18]

You can’t say aoun is pro Israel. History assured us as Lebanese citizens that Michel Aoun is more nationalist than anyone. In 1982 and after including the last clashes with HA PSP and especially Chouheyib and joumblatt were aided by Israelis’ satellite secret information systems.
The son of Marwan Hmadé was a CEO in ISRAEL undercover communication company.
I have lot of friends PSP eating with talking with them everyday as most of LF and ex LF members they prefer Israel. What explain now that Geagea and joumblatt are in the same ditch.
Wal salam

Dont psp say "reject israel?"

 

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Oh well i don't think so

they have different principles and different ways of praying too....they don't even do the ramadan

But ofc I am not an expert in this!

They are the Freemasons in Eastern society like the noussayriyine

 

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Dont psp say "reject israel?"

Never say that real rejection . Only for PSP interests, they declare what they don’t mean. When Syria and abou 3ammar was helping them to return Lebanon under durzi imara, only in that time ISrael was an enemy.
I am Christian but durzi in heart and raised up

 

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If you see my posts on this forum, you know that I'm not into smoke and mirrors.

"Killing unarmed civilians" is your profession and specialty. It's not something you can teach others not to do, when your old testament is built on infanticide and genocide. And when your group's history can be summarized in Elie Hobeika, Sabra Shatila, Amine Gemayel and Kfarmata.

The lowest rank Durzi living in isolation in some distant mountain valley, has more ethics, morality and culture than your highest popes and pontiffs. You don't bring coexistence to Lebanon. Keep your ethics and church to yourself.

You are talking about de Châtillon gangs LF and Karaeb.
you are not talking about real Christians who love each other’s and everyone even their enemies . By that the real Christians will have no enemies at all only brothers. And brothers stand back to back and support each others. I have no enemies I have only brothers in life.

 

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One of the highest and most esteemed Scottish freemasonry rites was termed by Grandmaster Albert Pike the "Druze working man". Because a Druze monk doesn't live the lazy life, but also works to secure his livelihood. One of our most prominent Sheikhs in the 80s was a beekeeper and farmer.

Many Druze were mercenaries. But they and their women were farmers too. The nonsense said by Rashid Joumblatt is from his own imagination.

What he said Rachid joumblatt. I have no access to his account and I don’t want. But I like to see what he is telling. Sometimes he is interesting

 

[Saqar18]

What he said Rachid joumblatt. I have no access to his account and I don’t want. But I like to see what he is telling. Sometimes he is interesting

Mysos the sh** man.

 

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C’est une autre façade de la réalité mais aussi Général Emile boustani le chef de lArmée à ce temps a voulu être président de la république. Lorsqu’il a signé l’accord de Caire, Abdel nasser lui A dis : pourquoi tu as signé aussi vite il faut négocié. Les égyptiens aussi n’ont pas voulu donner un pouvoir ultime à Yasser Arafat. Une majeur erreur des maronites et des 3 idiots unis (Chamoun, gemayel, efféminé) Franjieh est un chien suiveur.

 

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انصح بقراءة ما وثقه الكاتب انطوان سعد عن مسؤولية فؤاد الشهاب بموضوع اتفاق القاهرة مستنداً الى مذكرات فؤاد بطرس وسامي الخطيب والرئيس شارل حلو وبعض مراسلات السفارات الاجنبية
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I don’t believe with the writer who is LF. We need neutral one. He praised sfeir and honored him. For me both of them are nothing plausible.

 

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Émile boustani wasn’t chehabi. He was the friend of chehab in the same promotion as him. He wanted to do the same like Fouad shehab to be army chief and president after.
el khinté Charles helou after 1967 was no more chahabi. Charles helou is one of the phalanges founders with Perré Gemayel and Maurice Gemayel. Charles helou was more with the three idiots Union.

 

[Ice Tea]

You are talking about de Châtillon gangs LF and Karaeb.
you are not talking about real Christians who love each other’s and everyone even their enemies . By that the real Christians will have no enemies at all only brothers. And brothers stand back to back and support each others. I have no enemies I have only brothers in life.

Actually, the last time Christians were politically all united was under LF/Kataeb during the war. Just because some seniors did a few bad things and even hurt other Christians that doesn't erase the fact that these are the parties that represent Christians' best interests.

 

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First, clear your hands from the blood of the children and women of Palestinians, Lebanese Muslims, Druze, Bosnians, Jews, Ethiopians and all other cultures your Christian "religion by the sword" mentality of genocide has impacted. Heck, even the Catharians that wore your cross and prayed at your churches.

Then pull up a proper history book. And tell me where the "armed men" of those "unarmed women and children" went. And what they were doing before 1860 and 1983 happened.

You are delusional to claim that a small minority, like the Druze, in 1860 and 1983, was the one doing the persecution, and not the big majority trying to wipe it out with heavily-armed genocidist right-wing Militia.

My friends we all Christians and Druze bloody assassins and full stop.
can we change this is the great question and dilemma

 

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You want that to be true for emotional reasons but no true Mason ever claimed that, only Druzes do.

I've read Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma from cover to cover, all 800+ pages of it and not once if I remember correctly he has mentioned the Druze sect. I would be happy to be corrected.

There are links between Masonry and esoteric religions such as the Druzes but everything that you're claiming above is from your own mind and the fiction of the Druzes. Druzes claim that they themselves have supplied cedar to Solomon to build his temple but no one outside of this small group claims that. It is fiction to puff up the Druze sect no more.

I have several freemasonry books. The Druze were mentioned a lot especially Hamza el farazy. But I give no more informations and will not tell you where go and seek the truth

 

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I have a question.

So these interactions, that the templars and the druze had. I have my opinon on what it means in todays terms.
For example.
By the sources above. We can see there are influences from the emirate of lebanon at the time of the templars. ( at this time, the religion was shut from outsiders if im not wrong).
To see them hold on to this degree, and celebrate (or be clear about it)who has influenced them during their begginings, is interesting. They seem to "show it off" in a way. Its pretty cool

Myso what can they learn thats so deep from a religion thats secretive?

You can only get so much info right? Or is it more lifestyle the masons noticed about the druze that they decides to implement?

That’s what explain the birth of Lebanon as a nation under Druze imara. Go and seek Fakher el dine in 1613 till 1618 was exiled in Toscane. Meanwhile his son Ali was reigning in mount Lebanon.
Toscane was the route to Jerusalem for the Templars.
All Fakher el d’une sons were Executed or killed by ottomans. Go and Read only two were on knees for bab el 3ali.
That’s why something in history happened and someone has been infiltrated in Druze community after Fakher el dine reign to separate maronites and Druze. Seek in your books.

 

[Myso]

What he said Rachid joumblatt. I have no access to his account and I don’t want. But I like to see what he is telling. Sometimes he is interesting

He claims Druze were only mercenaries. And didn't do any agricultural work.
Which anyone with two brain cells can disprove by just passing through Wadi El Taym. Literally, a valley of agriculture.

The Joumblatts make up history as they go. They have no respect for truth.

 

[modesty]

I don’t believe with the writer who is LF. We need neutral one. He praised sfeir and honored him. For me both of them are nothing plausible.

يا ريتك تقرأ الكتاب قبل ما تحكي فالكاتب انطوان صفير يستشهد بمذكرات فؤاد بطرس وسامي الخطيب وهم من اكبر الشهابيين والرئيس شارل حلو وبعض مراسلات السفارات الاجنبية بينما انت لم تقدم اي اثبات مضاد الا اتهامه بانه قوات ​