Egypt: people's revolution or military coup?

Abou Sandal

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وزير الخارجية التركية الاخواني أحمد داوود أوغلو

الإطاحة بالرئيس مرسي إنقلاب عسكري غير مقبول​

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sarhay

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وزير الخارجية التركية الاخواني أحمد داوود أوغلو

الإطاحة بالرئيس مرسي إنقلاب عسكري غير مقبول​

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The should worry about the momentum of what happen in Egypt might do to their popularity? If they are not pragmatic enough their opposition will be emboldened in their demands and could mean serious trouble for Islamists reign in Turkey.
 

sarhay

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Gulf countries split on Morsi’s removal

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The ousting of Mohamed Morsi as Egypt’s president has provoked glee in some Gulf capitals but silence from Qatar, highlighting profound divisions across the Arabian Peninsula over the ex-leader’s Muslim Brotherhood movement.

The Gulf regional giant Saudi Arabia and its neighbour the United Arab Emirates welcomed Mr Morsi’s fall, echoing their increasing hostility to the Brotherhood as its power has grown across the Middle East over the past two and half years of uprisings.

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Qatar’s contrasting reticence underscores the blow Mr Morsi’s removal by the Egyptian army has dealt to Doha’s policy of funnelling billions of dollars of aid to Cairo as part of a broader policy of supporting Islamists around the region.



The UAE, which is normally cautious about appearing to interfere in other countries’ political controversies, quickly issued a statement welcoming the Egyptian military’s action against Mr Morsi. Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan, foreign minister, expressed confidence that the “great people of Egypt” would be “able to cross these difficult moments that Egypt is going through”, according to Wam, the state news agency in Abu Dhabi.

“Sheikh Abdullah said that the great Egyptian army was able to prove again that they are the fence of Egypt and that they are the protector and strong shield that guarantee Egypt will remain a state of institutions and law,” Wam added.

In Riyadh, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah sent congratulations to Adli Mansour, the Egyptian army’s choice as interim head of state, according to the official Saudi press agency. The statement also praised the military for leading Egypt out of a “tunnel that only God knows its dimensions and repercussions”.

Both Gulf governments’ comments reflect a deep antipathy to the Muslim Brotherhood and a fear that its growing regional sway and international reach could threaten the autocratic monarchies of the Arabian peninsula. The UAE’s supreme court this week handed down long jail terms to 69 people it claimed were part of a foreign-back Islamist plot to overthrow the government, after a trial that was condemned by international human rights groups and criticised even by Abu Dhabi’s close ally London.

In contrast to the delight in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi, Mr Morsi’s fall is bad news for Doha, which has poured $8bn of financial support into Egypt. Qatar has increasingly recognised that it has been blamed by opponents of the former president for some of the country’s problems.

The differing Gulf views are part of a wider and yet more complex battle in the region over Islamism in general. While Saudi Arabia’s distaste for the Brotherhood has not stopped it joining Qatar in arming a Syrian opposition movement that has an increasingly strong Islamist element, the UAE has stood back from the politics of Syria and instead focused its money on delivering aid to refugees.


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صرح مصدر مسؤول بوزارة الخارجية القطرية بأن دولة قطر ستظل سنداً وداعماً لجمهورية مصر العربية الشقيقة لتبقى قائداً ورائداً في العالم العربي
والاسلامي.

وأكد المصدر في تصريح لوكالة الانباء القطرية أن سياسة دولة قطر كانت دائماً مع إرادة الشعب المصري الشقيق وخياراته بما يحقق تطلعاته نحو الديمقراطية والعدالة الاجتماعية ، وقد تجلى ذلك واضحاً في موقفها في ثورة 25 يناير 2011، ودعم مصر في المراحل الصعبة التي تلتها. وستظل قطر تحترم إرادة جمهورية مصر العربية والشعب المصري بكل مكوناته.

وأشاد المصدر بالدور الذي تضطلع به القوات المسلحة المصرية في الدفاع عن مصر وأمنها القومي ، مؤكداً على ضرورة تعزيز اللحمة الوطنية بين جميع أبناء الشعب المصري الشقيق وتغليب مصالحه وإرادته وفقاً لثوابت ثورة 25 يناير المجيدة ومكتسباتها، ومن أجل تحقيق أهدافها.
وأكدت دولة قطر على استمرار علاقاتها الأخوية المتميزة مع جمهورية مصر العربية والعمل على تنميتها وتطويرها بما يخدم مصالح البلدين الشقيقين وشعبيهما. حفظ الله مصر وشعبها من كل مكروه.
Update- Bahrain and Kuwait rulers just send their support to the Egyptian transitional governing body.
 

Robin Hood

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You know, during last presidential elections, the non-Islamists did a huge mistake. They should have united behind a unique candidate, and a good one, having Shafik vs Mursi during the second round was a disgrace, this guy is the PM of a president the people got rid off.
 

Joe tayyar

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Great article summing up what happened the past year and why you shouldn't mess with Egypt.

It's the Egyptian Identity, Stupid

Observers are shocked. They do not understand as they watch millions of Egyptians marching in protest, in every major city in Egypt, against President Mohammed Morsi. In Cairo alone, some estimated the number of protesters to be 5 to 7 million. That is roughly a quarter to a third of the capital’s population. The crowds on June 30 may have been part of the largest political protest in history.

Political analysts are baffled. Egyptians put up with the fraudulently elected Mubarak for 30 years, but now seek the departure of the democratically elected Morsi after only one year? Did they expect the man to have a magic wand that would allow him to solve all of Egypt's economic problems with a single stroke?

It's not the economy, stupid. It is not just about the fuel shortages, power outages, deteriorating economy or soaring prices. Western media rarely, if ever, mention the Muslim Brotherhood's assault on Egyptian identity, culture and way of life as a core cause of protests. Could something so intangible motivate such massive demonstrations?

The reality is that culture is much more tangible than one may think at first glance. Restrictive cultural policies affect education, art, newspapers, television programs, books, academia, laws, dress, food and beverages, sports, management of antiquities and cultural heritage, tourism and public holidays. These are tangible things that impact people’s daily lives. When experiencing an abrupt change in aspects related to their self-image or the way their children are being brought up, people may panic and react quite strongly. Egypt might be experiencing one of these instances more than anything else.

Attempts by the Muslim Brotherhood to convert Egyptians to their conservative values did not start just last year. Funded for several decades by generous donations from Wahhabi sheikhs, the Salafis and Muslim Brothers slowly began to infiltrate Egyptian society and gradually succeeded in making Egypt visibly different, first by calling for small things, like asking women to wear the hijab and putting their preachers in control of key mosques, and then by expanding to launch a network of charities with a political agenda — preparing Egyptian society for Islamist rule.

The Muslim Brothers was banned before the 1952 revolution because of their involvement in political assassinations and after the revolution were prosecuted by the regime of Gamal Abdel Nasser after an attempt on his life. Nasser's successor, Anwar Sadat, decided to allow Islamist organizations to regroup to counterbalance socialist and Nasserist political streams in the 1970s. Sadat was assassinated in 1981 at the hands of Islamist extremists. Near the end of Mubarak’s rule, he offered large concessions to the Brothers to create a bipolar political system in which the only alternative to his ruling National Democratic Party would be the Muslim Brotherhood. After the 2011 revolution, the Brothers decided that this was their time. They had to seize the moment before it was gone.

Morsi was elected president of an ancient nation with an established way of life — in fact, one that Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Brotherhood, detested and considered immoral. Sixty-five years after Banna's death, Morsi, obedient member and leader of the Brotherhood, runs for the presidency of Egypt. As soon as he assumes office, he gets busy appointing his “Brothers” to key government positions as part of the so-called Tamkeen plan, a plot to control Egypt that is said to have been drafted by Khairat al-Shater himself.

The plan, which the opposition refers to as Akhwwana, or Brotherhoodization, requires that only officials loyal to the Brotherhood ideology be appointed to key government posts, among them the portofolios for education, media, religious affairs, social affairs and culture. The reason is simple: If Egyptians are taught to think like the Brothers, it will ensure a lengthy reign for the organization, which could then win elections before they were even held.

Of course Egyptians are angry over prices, fuel shortages and electricity outages, and these problems have amplified the cause of rebellion. But Egypt is a nation that has patiently coped with shortages for decades. What has made people especially angry now is the sense of losing Egypt’s distinctive way of life.

For starters, the constitution passed by an Islamist majority codified ultra-conservative restrictions on freedom of faith and expression, using terms that in effect could penalize people who do not allegedly comply with “social values,” meaning, more or less, whatever values the government and its allies deem fit. Education experts warned that newly appointed Brothers at the Ministry of Education were changing curricula to conform to the Muslim Brotherhood's conservative ideology. The Brothers also removed chapters from history books describing their organization’s violent past. When Minister of Culture Alaa Abdel Aziz fired a number of high-profile officials and was rumored to be considering a ban on ballet, artists and performers staged a sit-in and held several ballet performances in the street, including “Zorba the Greek.”

Emotions and feelings play an important role in how people make decisions, which are not just based on rational calculations. Rather, feelings and emotions use complex calculations that occur at the level of deeply rooted instincts for survival. Many emotional factors have contributed to making Egyptians sense a threat to the survival of Egypt as a nation.

Many Egyptians feel that Morsi is more of an obedient member to the Muslim Brotherhood than he is a president whose loyalty to his country and its people comes first. Morsi stopped military campaigns designed to cleanse the Sinai of al-Qaeda elements and other jihadist militants. At pro-Morsi demonstrations, al-Qaeda flags rather than Egyptian one are waved; chants for Osama Bin Laden can be heard. Egyptians have now seen terrorists, arguably former terrorists, rise to the highest seats of power and then appear on television and threaten them with blood and wrath if they protest to challenge Morsi’s legitimacy.

Five Egyptian Shiites were killed in Giza a few days after Morsi gathered his Islamist “clan” in a stadium on June 15 and Egyptians watched with horror as former terrorists delivered speeches full of hate toward Shiites and issued a declaration of jihad and war against Syria. Morsi’s divisive constitution and policies have made too many people feel that he does not care about the unity of the Egyptian people or the integrity of the state. His handling of the Renaissance Dam crisis vis-à-vis Ethiopia was pathetic. The Nile is not just a pretty river where pretty scenic photos can be taken. The Nile is the lifeblood of Egypt.

The ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood does not acknowledge the concept of the nation-state and calls instead for a monolithic Islamic nation that ignores national borders. Hence Egyptians have reacted with feelings of fear brought on by a credible threat to their survival as a nation and as a state. So perhaps for the first time in history, a revolution erupts because people want to defend their culture and way of life. If the January 25 revolution was about freedom, justice and dignity, the protests of June 30 were about Egyptians salvaging their Egyptian identity.


http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/egyptian-identity-stupid.html#ixzz2XxkjmChc
 

Hyperbole

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اسوشيتيد برس عن مصدر مصري: اعتقال المرشد العام للاخوان المسلمين محمد بديع
 

Lebanese Pride

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This is a sad day in Egyptian history (not that I care) and the Egyptian army just caused their country to fall into the abyss and made the majority chunk of the population (Mursi followers) feel like they are second class citizens.

Egyptian military must be taking lessons from HA on how to overthrow democratically elected leaders.
 

Robin Hood

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من هو عدلي منصور؟... ثاني رئيس موقت وأول رئيس مسيحي

أنشد عدلي منصور في جلسة إعلانه رئيساً موقتاً لجمهورية مصر العربية "بلادي بلادي بلادي، لك حبي وفؤادي". وقبل أيام عيّن الرئيس المخلوع محمد مرسي، عدلي منصور، رئيساً للمحكمة الدستورية العليا، إلا أنّ العشب أراد الإطاحة بمرسي، والجيش المصري تلقف الطلب، فتم الأمر.

وبدأ منصور مسيرته بتحية الى كل القوى السياسية ودعاها إلى الاجتماع لبناء الوطن، كما وجه تحية الى الإعلام والجيش والقضاء، وأقسم على حماية الناس. وهو الآتي أساساً من مناخ القضاء والعدل، أمضى أكثر من أربعين عاماً في المحاكم المدنية والجنائية، وأكثر من عشرين عاماً في عضوية المحكمة الدستورية العليا .

ويعتبر عدلي منصور، ثاني رئيس موقت في مصر، وأول رئيس مسيحي ما يجعل الأحزاب الإسلامية الداعمة لمرسي أكثر شراسة وعداءً للتغير الحاصل في مصر، عدلي منصور، رجل غامض أتٍ من خلف القضاء، سيكشف أسراره بنفسه في هذه المرحلة الانتقالية.

A Kafer is ruling Egypt now!

This is unacceptable! Only a Shia should rule Egypt! Egypt was the centre of the Fatimid empire, and it should return to it's normal identity.
 

Hyperbole

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To those calling this a sad day for Egypt, try asking a Copt, a Shi'ite, or a Moderate-to-Liberal Sunni in Egypt. Specifically the first 2 were being driven out en masse. Copts have been flooding out of Egypt and into the U.S., Canada, and Georgia to escape from Morsi's oppression and his blind-eye towards religious violence. That's not democracy. That's theocracy. Good riddance.

Reading posts from certain fascists on this forum and elsewhere is enough to make a person sick. They're willing to see minorities being prosecuted just because their masters say it's OK. Democracy is a huge responsibility, and it has to come with civil education, equal rights, and freedom of expression. Yesterday we saw both Sheikh el Azhar and the Coptic Pope join hands in giving Egypt a second chance, under the Egyptian flag, and not the MB flag. Hopefully Egyptians will choose better next time.

In other words, shove off with your "doctor" and his failed views.
 

Joe tayyar

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elias-aj

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Well, democracy is not only about the right to vote nor only about political rights.

I understood that at least a large number of Egyptian people demonstrating against Moubarak, were asking for freedoms and dignity first, which meant a popular call for the Egyptian political system to abide by the principles and freedoms stated in the declaration of human rights. And most importantly, that the Egyptian Government enforces these principles and freedoms.

Apparently, Morsi was indeed legally elected but the different policies he enforced or tried to, were in contradiction with the aspirations of the Egyptian people. So in this case, there's nothing to be sad about. One could pray though for the situation to remain under control, which is another issue in our region...

I'm convinced that the edification of a liberal democracy can't start unless the concerned society begins the journey by enforcing the principle of "live and let live", where the people are free from an invasive State trying to control people's habits and ways of life. I'm not saying that a society doesn't need factors of socialization - schools, mosque/church, families, etc. - or points of reference but that diversity and different ways of life have to be accepted so long as public order is not threatened. Clearly, the MB policies were focused on imposing a certain way of life and, as a consequence, were directly violating the spirit of the Egyptian revolution.

Given the huge popular vote that both the MB and the Salafists got during last elections, I wouldn't have thought for a moment that such an important revolution could happen though...
 

Hyperbole

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الملياردير نجيب ساويرس: سنكون في طليعة المستثمرين الذين سيعودون الى مصر

اعلن رجل الاعمال المصري نجيب ساويرس ان العالم بأجمعه لا يمكن ان يستثمر في بلد ارادته مسلوبة كما كان الحال في مصر خلال الفترة السابقة. واشار الى ان الارتفاعات التي سجلتها البورصة يوم الخميس هي انعكاس للواقع الجديد، حيث ان الجميع أصبح يعرف ان مصر استردت حريتها.

وتوقع ساويرس مستقبلا مشرقا لمصر في ظل دعم الدول العربية، واضاف ان المصريين الذين سيعيدون اموالهم من الخارج لاستثمارها في الداخل هم الذين سيقودون خارطة الطريق الاقتصادية ، ما سيشجع على عودة رؤوس الاموال والاستثمارات الى البلاد.

وأكد الملياردير المصري انه سيكون في طليعة المستثمرين الذين سيعودون الى بلدهم للاستثمار فيها، وقال انه سيعمل مع الآخرين على دعوة جميع المستمرين العرب للعودة والاستثمار في مصر وحل المشاكل التي حصلت خلال فترة حكم الرئيس محمد مرسي.

 

Abotareq93

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This is unacceptable! Only a Shia should rule Egypt! Egypt was the centre of the Fatimid empire, and it should return to it's normal identity.

I am not sure about this news; the guy's name is 3adli Mahmoud Mansour unless جدو ندر بيو لمار محمود
 

Abotareq93

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بعد اقالة الرئيس مرسي الاسلاميون يهاجمون الاقباط في بعض المناطق ومحاولات لاقتحام كنائس

بدء انتقام الإسلاميين.. وأقباط الصعيد يستغيثون

قام إسلاميون بالهجوم في محافظة المنيا على الاقباط بمركز دير مواس حيث تم حرق منزل كاهن كنيسة مارجرجس للكاثوليك بقرية دلجا بمنشية غطاس وقام عدد من التجمهرات بعمل مسيرات تهتف ضد الاقباط وقذف منازلهم بالطوب.

وتم أيضاً تنظيم مسيرات عدائية ضد الاقباط بقرية البدرمان واكد الاهالى ان الاقباط اصبحوا مستهدفين من انصار الرئيس السابق مرسى بعد بيان المجلس العسكرى.ويستغيث الاقباط بالحاكم العسكرى ووزارة الداخلية لسرعة ارسال تعزيزات امنية لحمايتهم من انتقام الاسلاميين.

سلسلة انتقام الإسلاميين... المنيا تشتعل والأمن يتحرك

وجهت مديرية أمن المنيا قوة مكبرة لقرية دلجا التابعة لمركز ديرمواس أقصي جنوب المنيا بعد تلقيها استغاثات من مطرانية المنيا للأقباط الكاثوليك بمهاجمة إسلاميين لاستراحة كنسية ومحاصرة كاهن

وقالت المطرانية في استغاثتها أن العشرات من الإسلاميين المؤيدين للرئيس السابق حاصروا مبني كنسي تابع لكنيسة مار جرجس بقرية "دلجا" التابعة لمركز ديرمواس أقصي جنوب المنيا وأحرقوه بعد نهب محتوياته وتمكن الجيران من انتشال راعي الكنيسة وتهريبه عبر أسطح المباني إلا أنه مازال محاصر في بيت أحد الجيران

وقال عدد من الأهالي أن العشرات من المتشددين جالوا في القرية بعد إلقاء وزير الدفاع لبيان الجيش وقاموا بقرع أبواب كنيسة أخري بعنف ولم يتمكنوا من اقتحام أبوابها الحديدية فتوجهوا لاستراحة كنيسة مارجرجس التي يقيم بها القمص أيوب راعي كنيسة مارجرجس للأقباط الكاثوليك

وقالت مصادر كنسية أن الأب أيوب يوسف راعي الكنيسة فوجئ بأصوات قرع عنيف خارج الاستراحة الكنسية التي يقيم فيها وتجاور الكنيسة وقام المهاجمون باقتحام الاستراحة ونهب محتوياتها ثم أشعلوا بها النيران وفشلت محاولات بعض العقلاء من المسلمين في السيطرة عليهم
وقال عدد من الأهالي الأقباط أن المتشددون قاموا بقرع أبواب منازل الأقباط ومحالهم بعنف أثار الهلع ...

استغاثات لقوات الشرطة والجيش

قامت مجموعات من الإسلاميين من أنصار الدكتور مرسي بمهاجمة كنيسة السيدة العذراء بمرسى مطروح ورشقها بالحجارة. ولكن فشلت محاولتهم لإقتحام الكنيسة حين قامت الشرطة بالتصدي لهم وتبادلا إطلاق النيران. فاتجه الإسلاميين إلى الشوارع الجانبية وقاموا بتكسير بعض متاجر الأقباط وتدميرها، وحاولوا إشعال النيران في ثلاثة من المتاجر وأيضاً نجحوا في تكسير واجهة أحد الفنادق التي يملكها قبطي. وكانوا يرددون هتافات عدائية ضد الأقباط ويهتفون "اسلامية.. اسلامية"

وحتى الأن مازالت هناك اشتباكات وكر وفر بين الإسلاميين وقوات الشرطة.

وتدخلت قوات الجيش في محاولة لإحتواء الأوضاع بالمدينة، وسط حالة من الفزع وسط الأهالي من تبادل اطلاق النيران وشدتها بين الإسلاميين والشرطة والجيش.

ومن جانب آخر مازالت عمليات النهب بمتاجر الأقباط بالمنيا مستمرة في ظل الغياب التام لقوات الأمن حيث تم مهاجمة المحلات بشارعي "خصيب" و "المحافظة" وكذلك قرية "أرض السلطان". وبذلك تستغيث محافظة المنيا بقوات الأمن حتى تسيطر على الموقف.


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