Parliamentary elections 2018 Elections: Nabatiyeh-Marjayoun-Bint Jbeil-Hasbayya district

Mighty Goat

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Th lcp despite all still present in the south.. from the assassination,to the political persecutions, to the sermons by some sheikhs in nabatieh and sour shouting ( like dogs ) that no communist should remain in the south , to the collapse of the whole socialist block which was the main supporter of lcp and its milithia , to the lack of all kind of materia resources ..despite all that LCP can still gather a list and present itself against the duo..that in itself a victory..the blood of the communist martyrs in the south didnt go in vain..and the ideas of hussein mroue and mahdi amel still living and illuminating the minds of many ..thats enough make us communist be proud.
LCP has strong presence in the areas adjunct to Nabatieyh especially in the age group between 45-55. They normally voted Amal.

Now that we may see that the lists with possibilities are these lists that offer alternatives to Amal's corruption. So, defects would choose between the Ossairan list with Tayar and certainly Hezbollah, or the Communist list with Hanna Ghrayeb and Hezbollah's. This is taking that HA list will be the winner, but who is the Shi'a player that would take seats from Amal would be decided by the مرشح تفضيلي vote. This is if I am understanding the new electoral law correctly. I guess the decision of the small da'era on the مرشح تفضيلي may exclude candidates from a list even if the list is a winner.

We will see if communism really matters soon enough.
 
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  • gramsci

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    LCP has strong presence in the areas adjunct to Nabatieyh especially in the age group between 45-55. They normally voted Amal.

    Now that we may see that the lists with possibilities are these lists that offer alternatives to Amal's corruption. So, defects would choose between the Ossairan list with Tayar and certainly Hezbollah, or the Communist list with Hanna Ghrayeb and Hezbollah's. This is taking that HA list will be the winner, but who is the Shi'a player that would take seats from Amal would be decided by the مرشح تفضيلي vote. This is if I am understanding the new electoral law correctly. I guess the decision of the small da'era on the مرشح تفضيلي may exclude candidates from a list even if the list is a winner.

    We will see if communism really matters soon enough.
    the lcp party program is not a socialist revolution and communist revolution .... it never was... its a party that battle for the role of state , social justice , secularism ,and against the sectarian system . of course its ideology is based on marxism and leninism ,and lot of elements of socialism are present in its programs , like the pubblic schools , the free health system , the social security system for the aged people , the equilibrated distribution of wealth ,the support of industry and creating jobs for unemployed ... defend the right of working class against the corruption and manipolation... so saying its a matter of ideology is a bit hitting out of the objective .. and people in the south know that well and vote the lcp becuase of that , and because of its history , from the social battls in the re'gie to its military battles against the israeli occupation , to its last battles for the rights of the workers and hanna gharib is a person that can resume all that...
    amal rappresent all what is opposite to that , and also hizbollah never had any political position regarding social issue in the parliament and in the govern ..
     
    gramsci

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    and i forget.. above all its an ATHEIST ideology :) ...i would underline that .
     
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    the lcp party program is not a socialist revolution and communist revolution .... it never was... its a party that battle for the role of state , social justice , secularism ,and against the sectarian system . of course its ideology is based on marxism and leninism ,and lot of elements of socialism are present in its programs , like the pubblic schools , the free health system , the social security system for the aged people , the equilibrated distribution of wealth ,the support of industry and creating jobs for unemployed ... defend the right of working class against the corruption and manipolation... so saying its a matter of ideology is a bit hitting out of the objective .. and people in the south know that well and vote the lcp becuase of that , and because of its history , from the social battls in the re'gie to its military battles against the israeli occupation , to its last battles for the rights of the workers and hanna gharib is a person that can resume all that...
    amal rappresent all what is opposite to that , and also hizbollah never had any political position regarding social issue in the parliament and in the govern ..
    We will soon see if the people of the South are loyal to the LCP and its resistance and martyrs. For once they can truly show their colours and will be able to vote for the list they want with a chance of getting a seat or 2. Less than 20 days left. :)
     
    Mighty Goat

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    I hope at least one or two communists make it in the south and at least one in Bekaa or the North. It should take at least 2-3 seats from the shia duo.
    The Communists would not change much about the regional relations or the domestic relations concerning war and peace. They may make a change domestically in social reform demands. The fact that the duo, these are mostly Amal defects supports Hezbollah armament will not change. The Communists support armament. So, the only change that one may see is an active voice in parliament for labor rights and social justice, an area where Amal failed miserably. This would be demands for economic and social welfare reform, including old age pension and gender equality.

    They may also have an active voice in Parliament to abolish the sectarian system of government and they certainly can mobilize in the street. A communist win should theoretically help in abolishing sectarianism. I wonder how would they do this with the National Pact duo which is composed of Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement,- who are demanding a consociational democracy,- without breaking the Christian-Shi'a duo.
     
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    بعد البيان المدمّر لعزّة النفس من مرياع بلدية رميش، وبعد التدخّل المباشر من نبيه بري واستعمالو اسلحة محرّمة دوليا لحرف المغتربين عن المسار لي مبيّن بدّن يسلكوه خلال الانتخابات، وبعد التهويل والتهديد والإرهاب الفكري لي عم يمارسوه مياومي نبيه بري، المسيحيين والشيعة سوا، ويللي عم بيذكروا سكان القرى المسيحية انن ما ينقبروا ينسوا بير الماي لي حفرلن ياه مجلس الجنوب من مصرياتن، او القناية لي عم تسقي شتلات التبغ بجلالي رميش وعين ابل وكم ضيعة هونيك، او كميون الزفت لي متل اخلاقن، او العلّيقة لي تحت بيتن وبعدن عم يقدروا يحوشوها،او جبّ الخبيزة لي بعدن عم يجمّوه ويغلوه ويشربوا ميتو بالكوانين، ويطردوا السقعة والريح من بطونن المليانة من خير السلطان، هودي كلّن مش لازم ينسوه السكان المحليين هونيك قبل ما يروحوا ينقبروا ينتخبوا مرشح التيار او حتى مرشح القوات.
    الاستيذ ومياومينو بيقدروا يضغطوا عالسكان هونيك ويمسكوهن ع الايد لي بتوجعن، بس ما بيقدروا يضغطوا عالناس المحرّرة لي ساكنة ببيروت والمناطق، او لي هاجرت ع بلاد الله الواسعة. من هون بنفهم ليش نبيه بري ووليد جنبلاط نزلوا بتقلن ليمنعوا اقرار الميغا سنتر بلبنان، وتهشيل المهاجرين ومنعن من التصويت بالخارج.
    وبعد في كم قريع بيجي بيقلّك بس جبران باسيل مش طويل ونومو قليل.




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    بعد البيان المدمّر لعزّة النفس من مرياع بلدية رميش، وبعد التدخّل المباشر من نبيه بري واستعمالو اسلحة محرّمة دوليا لحرف المغتربين عن المسار لي مبيّن بدّن يسلكوه خلال الانتخابات، وبعد التهويل والتهديد والإرهاب الفكري لي عم يمارسوه مياومي نبيه بري، المسيحيين والشيعة سوا، ويللي عم بيذكروا سكان القرى المسيحية انن ما ينقبروا ينسوا بير الماي لي حفرلن ياه مجلس الجنوب من مصرياتن، او القناية لي عم تسقي شتلات التبغ بجلالي رميش وعين ابل وكم ضيعة هونيك، او كميون الزفت لي متل اخلاقن، او العلّيقة لي تحت بيتن وبعدن عم يقدروا يحوشوها،او جبّ الخبيزة لي بعدن عم يجمّوه ويغلوه ويشربوا ميتو بالكوانين، ويطردوا السقعة والريح من بطونن المليانة من خير السلطان، هودي كلّن مش لازم ينسوه السكان المحليين هونيك قبل ما يروحوا ينقبروا ينتخبوا مرشح التيار او حتى مرشح القوات.
    الاستيذ ومياومينو بيقدروا يضغطوا عالسكان هونيك ويمسكوهن ع الايد لي بتوجعن، بس ما بيقدروا يضغطوا عالناس المحرّرة لي ساكنة ببيروت والمناطق، او لي هاجرت ع بلاد الله الواسعة. من هون بنفهم ليش نبيه بري ووليد جنبلاط نزلوا بتقلن ليمنعوا اقرار الميغا سنتر بلبنان، وتهشيل المهاجرين ومنعن من التصويت بالخارج.
    وبعد في كم قريع بيجي بيقلّك بس جبران باسيل مش طويل ونومو قليل.




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    جبران باسيل قصير بس زبرو أطول من بري و جنبلاط سوا
     
    gramsci

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    The Communists would not change much about the regional relations or the domestic relations concerning war and peace. They may make a change domestically in social reform demands. The fact that the duo, these are mostly Amal defects supports Hezbollah armament will not change. The Communists support armament. So, the only change that one may see is an active voice in parliament for labor rights and social justice, an area where Amal failed miserably. This would be demands for economic and social welfare reform, including old age pension and gender equality.

    They may also have an active voice in Parliament to abolish the sectarian system of government and they certainly can mobilize in the street. A communist win should theoretically help in abolishing sectarianism. I wonder how would they do this with the National Pact duo which is composed of Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement,- who are demanding a consociational democracy,- without breaking the Christian-Shi'a duo.
    the LCP have a complete strategy to achieve its objective , including ablishing sectarianism ..mind u that taef accord lead programatically to abolish sectarianism .all what it need a push in the parliament to make the accord be fulfilled ..lebanon now is in a transitional phase , and no player in lebanon is able to o this push except communist ..so in case some get elected they will have a lot to do about this issue ..but i tell u this need a long process and wont happen in a day or week ..
    aoun and fpm said many time that his long term objective is this .. but it need the right conditions to push forward ...muslims sill very far from this due to their backward leadership.. and the only secular parties are able to put them in a condition to make this step ..it is a delicate process and it need lot of time ..since their sectarian bourgeois parties proved to lack the ability and very corrupted morally and materially to do so..but the condition of workers from all sects are the same and on this LCP works ,.unity of workers class .
    what u said is mostly true..
    regarding hizbollah arm , the lcp never expressed about it officially , and since i am not a militant in lcp i cannot talk in their name , but i can tell u the position of the communist international in which the LCP make a part.
    the issue of hezbollah arm is related to the conflict in palestine .. untill the settlment of the main palestinian issue ( land, refugees etc ) communist support the right of people of the south to defen themselves , given the israel historical agressivity toward its people ,. mind u that way before the hizbollah , the resistance in the south was formed by the communist , and hezbollah came to continue a work started by communists ...
    now regarding hizbollah as a party , communist oppose their ideology...communism have nothin to share with khomeinism , so politically we are on the opposite sides . from social to economic to political matters .
     
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    gramsci

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    regarding amal .. i have lot of doubts about the founder moussa el sader agenda , and why he was kinapped , and their role during the war doing the dirty jobs for syrians ..and after 2005 their only legacy is with berry head of parliament..once the guy is eliminated amal will vanish...

    for the communist, amal are responsable for killing lot of communists . some were shot in the back when they were on attack against israelies , some were killed with cold blood in nabatieh and sour .. and all names are well documented and known ...!
     
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    Mighty Goat

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    the LCP have a complete strategy to achieve its objective , including ablishing sectarianism ..mind u that taef accord lead programatically to abolish sectarianism .all what it need a push in the parliament to make the accord be fulfilled ..lebanon now is in a transitional phase , and no player in lebanon is able to o this push except communist ..so in case some get elected they will have a lot to do about this issue ..but i tell u this need a long process and wont happen in a day or week ..
    aoun and fpm said many time that his long term objective is this .. but it need the right conditions to push forward ...muslims sill very far from this due to their backward leadership.. and the only secular parties are able to put them in a condition to make this step ..it is a delicate process and it need lot of time ..since their sectarian bourgeois parties proved to lack the ability and very corrupted morally and materially to do so..but the condition of workers from all sects are the same and on this LCP works ,.unity of workers class .
    what u said is mostly true..
    regarding hizbollah arm , the lcp never expressed about it officially , and since i am not a militant in lcp i cannot talk in their name , but i can tell u the position of the communist international in which the LCP make a part.
    the issue of hezbollah arm is related to the conflict in palestine .. untill the settlment of the main palestinian issue ( land, refugees etc ) communist support the right of people of the south to defen themselves , given the israel historical agressivity toward its people ,. mind u that way before the hizbollah , the resistance in the south was formed by the communist , and hezbollah came to continue a work started by communists ...
    now regarding hizbollah as a party , communist oppose their ideology...communism have nothin to share with khomeinism , so politically we are on the opposite sides . from social to economic to political matters .
    I am not alluding to the armament issue because I think that arms should be controlled. But arms make the vote. What I am saying is that the necessity of the armament is something LCP believes in so they do support armament. I am certain they do. The issue in here is not the armament itself. The issue is that these who possess the arms are also supporters of the National Pact. Consequently, the issue of abolishing sectarianism would become more complex. This is taking that armament is now tied to sectarianism in general and the National Pact in particular.

    I think all Lebanese leadership is backward, backwardness does not have a sect. The fact that they support an unrepresentative sectarian system of government is a backwards concept, whether the leader is Geagea, Gmayel, Bassil, Nasrallah, Hariri or Berri.
     
    gramsci

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    I am not alluding to the armament issue because I think that arms should be controlled. But arms make the vote. What I am saying is that the necessity of the armament is something LCP believes in so they do support armament. I am certain they do. The issue in here is not the armament itself. The issue is that these who possess the arms are also supporters of the National Pact. Consequently, the issue of abolishing sectarianism would become more complex. This is taking that armament is now tied to sectarianism in general and the National Pact in particular.

    I think all Lebanese leadership is backward, backwardness does not have a sect. The fact that they support an unrepresentative sectarian system of government is a backwards concept, whether the leader is Geagea, Gmayel, Bassil, Nasrallah, Hariri or Berri.

    well its an election process..if LCP get elected they will push their own agenda .regarding ALL ISSUES ..as i explained the position regarding couple of issues ...if lcp doesnt get elected. the winner of the election will push its.. its a matter of choices and people are responsible for their votes..remind u that the armament is not an eternal issue and ultimate goal ,but its a necessity due to certain situation created in the region..but the matter of social ,economic and political issue and the future of the society is the ultimate goal ..people must have the ability to decide their future regardless the weapon issue ..people must be able to control the issue of the arm and never let the arm issue condition them to accept other political and social impositions ...
     
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    I think all Lebanese leadership is backward, backwardness does not have a sect. The fact that they support an unrepresentative sectarian system of government is a backwards concept, whether the leader is Geagea, Gmayel, Bassil, Nasrallah, Hariri or Berri.
    LCP is not a shia party... to ur information , the majority of its base is sunni and not shia if we want to talk about sectarian statistics ...but one this i sure .. we have an ATHEIST view of the world .
    so its agenda will push in all the sects ont he same time and not only in shia sect.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    well its an election process..if LCP get elected their will push their own agenda ..if not the winner will push its.. its a matte of choices and people are responsible for their votes..
    In fact the LCP list in the South 3 has only 6 candidates. It is a very weak list. This is in comparison to 10 candidates on the list where Nadim Osseiran is competing. They have no Shi'a representation in the Christian areas of Marj 3ioun and Hasbaiya. They have only one Shi'a candidate in Nabatiyeh out of three available seats. They have four candidates is in Bent Jbiel out of 4.

    They may get a seat in Bent Jbiel. This is taking that the way I see the new electoral law is that even if a list makes it to the first position, the individuals on the list will not all make it if they got no votes on the المرشح التفضيلي. Then we may get a few members from the Communists in Parliament if members on the list would have the highest votes in the small da'era. This issue is dependent on demographics and sectarianism. LCP's list needs to be at least second to Hezbollah to achieve enough votes on any مرشح تفضيلي. This is taking that a voter can only choose a مرشح تفضيلي from the list he/she voted for. Then a list that makes it to number three is very unlikely to suggest a win for any of its individuals, where list one and two would determine the candidates.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    LCP is not a shia party... to ur information , the majority of its base is sunni and not shia if we want to talk about sectarian statistics ...but one this i sure .. we have an ATHEIST view of the world .
    so its agenda will push in all the sects ont he same time and not only in shia sect.
    I am not speaking about LCP in the the quote you quoted me.
     
    gramsci

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    you are right but the LCP is pointing to a political battle and not to collect candidates for right and left just to get votes..

    all the lcp candidates are organic inside the party or very close to it .
     
    LVV

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    Abdo Saad said FPM and FM has 14000 voters they need 7000 shia to have the hassel
     
    Mighty Goat

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    you are right but the LCP is pointing to a political battle and not to collect candidates for right and left just to get votes..

    all the lcp candidates are organic inside the party or very close to it .
    Looking at some polls, their only candidate in Nabatiyeh is very likely to win. He stands alone as مرشح تفضيلي on the list making him get all the votes in his daera and maybe a winner.
     
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