Parliamentary elections 2018 Elections: Zahle district

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new hope

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People in Zahle get 24h electricity and pay only one bill.
The total of both generator and EDL bills in other regions is higher this bill.
Moreover, EDZ has developed technologies which allows it to track, fix and minimise power losses.

Nakad is not the nicest guy out there and yes he's making a profit.
But if you were to replace EDZ by EDL, the people of Zahle would not get the same service and the company will not be as well managed.
Exhibit A: EDL!

You can ask people in Zahle if they prefer to have EDZ or EDL, then come and tell me what results you came up with.
Edz is buying electricity from Edl and not producing it at a reduced price consumption price I.e at losss for the state and sell it back at much higher price

So if many cities start doing that - the state will collapse

Yes for zahleh is better .. but it’s not fair for the others
 
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  • The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    Edz is buying electricity from Edl and not producing it at a reduced price consumption price I.e at losss for the state and sell it back at much higher price

    So if many cities start doing that - the state will collapse

    Yes for zahleh is better .. but it’s not fair for the others
    EDZ was formed in the 1920s out of necessity.
    Because the state couldn't provide the right support to its own citizens.

    But instead of going in circles, what do you propose we do with EDZ?
     
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    new hope

    Member
    EDZ was formed in the 1920s out of necessity.
    Because the state couldn't provide the right support to its own citizens.

    But instead of going in circles, what do you propose we do with EDZ?
    Yeah they are taking profit from an old privilege

    Either to buy electricity from edl at a fair price at least break even
    Or to sell it back at a lower price - controlled price
    At the moment edz is buying electricity at a subsidised price from EDL and selling it back at much higher price and making loads of free money
     
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    The Jade

    The Jade

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    Yeah they are taking profit from an old privilege

    Either to buy electricity from edl at a fair price at least break even
    Or to sell it back at a lower price - controlled price

    Otherwise it’s easy money for the owners
    It's a private company not a charity, why would they break even?
    You forget to take into consideration the considerable costs that EDZ has to cover, like power that the EDL doesn't provide (which they pay with their own generators, transformers and fuel), like the maintenance of the grid, like bill collection etc.

    They're not a go-between that buys electricity for a dollar and sells it for 2 with no costs.
    They have to mainteance the grid, provide additional electricity, etc.

    That's not a solution.....
     
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    new hope

    Member
    It's a private company not a charity, why would they break even?
    You forget to take into consideration the considerable costs that EDZ has to cover, like power that the EDL doesn't provide (which they pay with their own generators, transformers and fuel), like the maintenance of the grid, like bill collection etc.

    They're not a go-between that buys electricity for a dollar and sells it for 2 with no costs.
    They have to mainteance the grid, provide additional electricity, etc.

    That's not a solution.....
    No no I meant EDL to sell the electricity at least at break even cost - not at loss to EDZ

    It’s like the world send donations or food to lebanon and one company take these donations for free and sell it back to the public
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    No no I meant EDL to sell the electricity at least at break even cost - not at loss to EDZ

    It’s like the world send donations or food to lebanon and one company take these donations for free and sell it back to the public
    I see what you mean.
    But this still defies the purpose.
    EDL sells electricity at a certain price to cover certain costs.

    In this case, some of the EDL costs (like power production, grid maintenance, bill collection, training, etc) are covered by EDZ.
    So if the latter were to buy power from EDL at cost, they would have to sell it for much higher which means that the people would be losing.

    It would be better to have EDL manage it then....which we both know, it wouldn't have a done job half as good as EDZ.
     
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    new hope

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    I see what you mean.
    But this still defies the purpose.
    EDL sells electricity at a certain price to cover certain costs.

    In this case, some of the EDL costs (like power production, grid maintenance, bill collection, training, etc) are covered by EDZ.
    So if the latter were to buy power from EDL at cost, they would have to sell it for much higher which means that the people would be losing.

    It would be better to have EDL manage it then....which we both know, it wouldn't have a done job half as good as EDZ.
    It’s not fair for the rest of the Lebanese
    It’s like the state is paying money to the generators - to reduce their bills
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    It’s not fair for the rest of the Lebanese
    It’s like the state is paying money to the generators - to reduce their bills
    Ya khayye (or okhte), EDZ still has costs.
    It's still paying to support the grid.

    EDZ is there, should the state stop using it because it failed in providing the right services for the rest of the lebanese?
    What's the suggestion? Because selling power at cost to EDZ will not cut it, it will be unfair on Zahle since they will be paying higher bills than the rest of the Lebanese.

    It's like having a car but you refuse to drive it because your brother only has a donkey.
    So you decide that both of you should share the donkey.
     
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    new hope

    Member
    Ya khayye (or okhte), EDZ still has costs.
    It's still paying to support the grid.

    EDZ is there, should the state stop using it because it failed in providing the right services for the rest of the lebanese?
    What's the suggestion? Because selling power at cost to EDZ will not cut it, it will be unfair on Zahle since they will be paying higher bills than the rest of the Lebanese.

    It's like having a car but you refuse to drive it because your brother only has a donkey.
    So you decide that both of you should share the donkey.
    No it’s like you are taking your brother s money to buy a car while your brother is struggling with his donkey :)

    My
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    No it’s like you are taking your brother s money to buy a car while your brother is struggling with his donkey :)

    My
    The problem is that if your brother wants to drive the car, he will surely crash it.
    He managed to crash the donkey for god's sake!!!

    Again, what's your solution?
    If you were minister of energy, what would your solution be in order to protect the rights of both EDL and the people of Zahle who don't want to go back to paying more and paying 2 bills?
     
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    new hope

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    The problem is that if your brother wants to drive the car, he will surely crash it.
    He managed to crash the donkey for god's sake!!!

    Again, what's your solution?
    If you were minister of energy, what would your solution be in order to protect the rights of both EDL and the people of Zahle who don't want to go back to paying more and paying 2 bills?
    My solution a fair one for the rest of the Lebanese - edl should sell to edz at a break even cost price ..
    Otherwise people in metn beirut etc .. will be financing the electricity of zahleh and paying their own electricity and generator bills
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    My solution a fair one for the rest of the Lebanese - edl should sell to edz at a break even cost price ..
    Otherwise people in metn beirut etc .. will be financing the electricity of zahleh and paying their own electricity and generator bills
    2 things
    1) They're NOT financing because EDL's cost is lower when it comes to selling to Zahle.
    Quick example: If EDL produces a KWh at the cost of 1$ (that's just production), they need to distribute it (grid needs to be built, maintained, bills collected, etc), that's an additional 50 cents. If they want to break even, they would sell the KWh in Metn for 1.5$. Good?
    Now, when it comes to Zahle, EDL is producing for 1$, but they don't have the distribution costs since EDZ is handling this.
    How would it make sense to sell the KWh for 1.5$ to EDZ???
    If they want to sell at cost, EDZ will be the one financing Metn and the rest of Lebanon.

    2) If EDL does that, EDZ will close and Zahle (with surrounding municipalities) will witness a decay in their grid, bad service and higher costs.
    How is this any good to Zahle and the rest of the lebanese?
    Enno chou, misery loves company? :)

    Capisce?
     
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    new hope

    Member
    2 things
    1) They're NOT financing because EDL's cost is lower when it comes to selling to Zahle.
    Quick example: If EDL produces a KWh at the cost of 1$ (that's just production), they need to distribute it (grid needs to be built, maintained, bills collected, etc), that's an additional 50 cents. If they want to break even, they would sell the KWh in Metn for 1.5$. Good?
    Now, when it comes to Zahle, EDL is producing for 1$, but they don't have the distribution costs since EDZ is handling this.
    How would it make sense to sell the KWh for 1.5$ to EDZ???
    If they want to sell at cost, EDZ will be the one financing Metn and the rest of Lebanon.

    2) If EDL does that, EDZ will close and Zahle (with surrounding municipalities) will witness a decay in their grid, bad service and higher costs.
    How is this any good to Zahle and the rest of the lebanese?
    Enno chou, misery loves company? :)

    Capisce?
    That s wrong because the production cost is financed by all the Lebanese - and the selling cost is subsidised - and when you increase the production in a district all the Lebanese are paying that cost
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    That s wrong because the production cost is financed by all the Lebanese - and the selling cost is subsidised - and when you increase the production in a district all the Lebanese are paying that cost
    Zahle's population is still paying for the production, they are part of the Lebanese and part of their bill includes this production cost.
    As for the subsidies, EDL would've sold the KWh at that subsidised rate anyway.
    All EDZ is doing is covering the costs of the maintenance, providing additional power and making a healthy profit on top of this.
    At the end of the day, Zahle's population is paying their fair share.
    I’m with a joint venture state private for the electricity -
    If you think about it, the EDL/EDZ case is a sort of joint venture.
    The terms of the agreement could be renegotiated, but not by adding more costs on Zahle and its surroundings.
    What you're proposing is to pull Zahle back instead of pushing EDL towards EDZ's standards.
     
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    new hope

    Member
    Zahle's population is still paying for the production, they are part of the Lebanese and part of their bill includes this production cost.
    As for the subsidies, EDL would've sold the KWh at that subsidised rate anyway.
    All EDZ is doing is covering the costs of the maintenance, providing additional power and making a healthy profit on top of this.
    At the end of the day, Zahle's population is paying their fair share.

    If you think about it, the EDL/EDZ case is a sort of joint venture.
    The terms of the agreement could be renegotiated, but not by adding more costs on Zahle and its surroundings.
    What you're proposing is to pull Zahle back instead of pushing EDL towards EDZ's standards.
    My view to have many competitors participating in the electricity - making bids and this way we improve quality and prices with a fair competition
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

    Legendary Member
    My view to have many competitors participating in the electricity - making bids and this way we improve quality and prices with a fair competition
    100% behind you on this.
    The Netherlands do this and it works great there.

    Provided it is clearly defined that no politicians or their affiliates be owners, shareholders and business partners with this company.
    Because you'll end up having a cartel and laws voted specifically to advantage these companies.
     
    !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    Ya reit all provinces can do what zahle is doing. Well done keep going.
     
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