Parliamentary elections 2018 Elections: Zahle district

kmarthe

kmarthe

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ضاهر باغت الصناديق: العضو الجديد في تكتل لبنان القوي لم يقترب من جمهور التيار الوطني الحر وناخبيه إنما خاض الانتخابات بماكينته الخاصة دون أي صخب يذكر، وكاد أن يؤمن حاصلاً انتخابياً كاملاً لوحده: 9742 صوتاً. يشيعون اليوم إن غالبية هؤلاء من المقترعين السنة، إلا أن الأرقام الرسمية تبين أن 1910 منهم سنة فقط، مقابل 7100 مسيحي من بينهم 5800 صوت كاثوليكي، مقابل نحو 3800 صوت كاثوليكي لميريم سكاف ونحو 2950 صوت كاثوليكي لجورج عقيص. وهو بالتالي حل أولاً على المستوى الكاثوليكي. شرعية شعبية تضاف إلى الشرعية الفرزلية والشرعية الكنسية المتمثلة بمتانة علاقته بمطران الفرزل وزحلة للروم الكاثوليك وطبعاً علاقته برئيس بلدية زحلة أسعد زغيب. علماً أن الكثير من الماكينات التفليدية لم تحسب حساب ضاهر لمجرد أنه من خارج مدينة زحلة وإذا بابن الفرزل يتقدم على غالبية أبناء المدينة أنفسهم في صناديقها.
Michel Daher is THE winner of the Zahle elections and he deserves it! He had no political party nor foreign countries supporting him and managed to get ALONE:

a) HALF the votes that the LFers and their allies combined got,
b) A bit less than the double of the FPMers votes
c) More than the FMers total votes

Chapeau MP Daher and I wish he manages to implement half the projects he has in mind cos Zahle deserves :)
 
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  • Lebnaouneh

    Lebnaouneh

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    Michel Daher is THE winner of the Zahle elections and he deserves it! He had no political party nor foreign countries supporting him and managed to get ALONE:

    a) HALF the votes that the LFers and their allies combined got,
    b) A bit less than the double of the FPMers votes
    c) More than the FMers total votes

    Chapeau MP Daher and I wish he manages to implement half the projects he has in mind cos Zahle deserves :)
    I agree! Hope he won’t turn out to be another Murr of Zahleh. Also with those numbers he could get confident wou yefta7 3a 7sebo, do you know if he is politically close to FPM?
     
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    lebanese1

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    I agree! Hope he won’t turn out to be another Murr of Zahleh. Also with those numbers he could get confident wou yefta7 3a 7sebo, do you know if he is politically close to FPM?
    Bassil today

    وتابع: "في الإنتخابات الأخيرة، يهمني أيضا أن أشير الى هذا الأمر، هناك رفاق تركوا التكتل لأنهم أرادوا أن يستمروا في تجربة حظهم، رغما أننا نصحناهم بأن الإرادة الشعبية تغيرت، ولا تريد أن يحدث ذلك. كنا نود هذا، ولكن ذلك أمثولة لنا أيضا ولرفاقنا في التيار وفي التكتل المقبل أن يدرك كل فرد أن المجموعة هي من تحفظه، فلا احد أكبر من المجموعة، ولا أحد أكبر من التيار، والجماعة تحتاج إلى تضامنها مع بعضها، لكي تستطيع أن تحقق. ونحن اللبنانيين فرديون، إفراديون في تصرفاتنا، وحتى الذي حصد عدد أصوات أكثر من زملائه في الإنتخابات الأخيرة يظن أنه بات أقوى من اللائحة التي وصل من خلالها".
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    I agree! Hope he won’t turn out to be another Murr of Zahleh. Also with those numbers he could get confident wou yefta7 3a 7sebo, do you know if he is politically close to FPM?
    He already said he is independent. It doesn't matter really... The whole country is crap.
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Bassil today

    وتابع: "في الإنتخابات الأخيرة، يهمني أيضا أن أشير الى هذا الأمر، هناك رفاق تركوا التكتل لأنهم أرادوا أن يستمروا في تجربة حظهم، رغما أننا نصحناهم بأن الإرادة الشعبية تغيرت، ولا تريد أن يحدث ذلك. كنا نود هذا، ولكن ذلك أمثولة لنا أيضا ولرفاقنا في التيار وفي التكتل المقبل أن يدرك كل فرد أن المجموعة هي من تحفظه، فلا احد أكبر من المجموعة، ولا أحد أكبر من التيار، والجماعة تحتاج إلى تضامنها مع بعضها، لكي تستطيع أن تحقق. ونحن اللبنانيين فرديون، إفراديون في تصرفاتنا، وحتى الذي حصد عدد أصوات أكثر من زملائه في الإنتخابات الأخيرة يظن أنه بات أقوى من اللائحة التي وصل من خلالها".
    Bassil should be the last person to speak :)
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    تقدم عضو "تكتل التغيير والإصلاح" النائب نبيل نقولا باقتراحي قانون معجلين مكررين، "إيمانا مني بأن النائب يمارس عمله حتى نهاية ولايته، ولا سيما بعد التخبط الذي حصل عبر الترشيحات المقدمة للانتخابات النيابية 2018، وضنا مني بحسن سير العمل النيابي والبلدي".

    ويرمي الاقتراحان الى فرض حيازة المرشحين لعضوية المجلس النيابي شهادات جامعية أو ما يعادلها قانونا، ولرئاسة ونيابة رئاسة المجالس البلدية الشهادة الثانوية العامة أو ما يعادلها، مع وجوب تفرغ النواب للعمل النيابي طيلة فترة توليهم سدة النيابة.
    Oh that would SUPER great... Eno at least the elected MPs should have a minimum of education :)FPM and allies should push hard and fast for this to become a law... Bravo Nabil! A nice way to end his parliamentary service :)

    P.S. That would automatically disqualify the Qayssar and reduce the LF block to 14 :p
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    تقدم عضو "تكتل التغيير والإصلاح" النائب نبيل نقولا باقتراحي قانون معجلين مكررين، "إيمانا مني بأن النائب يمارس عمله حتى نهاية ولايته، ولا سيما بعد التخبط الذي حصل عبر الترشيحات المقدمة للانتخابات النيابية 2018، وضنا مني بحسن سير العمل النيابي والبلدي".

    ويرمي الاقتراحان الى فرض حيازة المرشحين لعضوية المجلس النيابي شهادات جامعية أو ما يعادلها قانونا، ولرئاسة ونيابة رئاسة المجالس البلدية الشهادة الثانوية العامة أو ما يعادلها، مع وجوب تفرغ النواب للعمل النيابي طيلة فترة توليهم سدة النيابة.
    Oh that would SUPER great... Eno at least the elected MPs should have a minimum of education :)FPM and allies should push hard and fast for this to become a law... Bravo Nabil! A nice way to end his parliamentary service :)

    P.S. That would automatically disqualify the Qayssar and reduce the LF block to 14 :p
    No am against tha university diploma limitation, having a bachelor from hawaii university doesnt mean shit.

    Many great people dont have university diplomas they souldnt be disqualified.
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    تقدم عضو "تكتل التغيير والإصلاح" النائب نبيل نقولا باقتراحي قانون معجلين مكررين، "إيمانا مني بأن النائب يمارس عمله حتى نهاية ولايته، ولا سيما بعد التخبط الذي حصل عبر الترشيحات المقدمة للانتخابات النيابية 2018، وضنا مني بحسن سير العمل النيابي والبلدي".

    ويرمي الاقتراحان الى فرض حيازة المرشحين لعضوية المجلس النيابي شهادات جامعية أو ما يعادلها قانونا، ولرئاسة ونيابة رئاسة المجالس البلدية الشهادة الثانوية العامة أو ما يعادلها، مع وجوب تفرغ النواب للعمل النيابي طيلة فترة توليهم سدة النيابة.
    Oh that would SUPER great... Eno at least the elected MPs should have a minimum of education :)FPM and allies should push hard and fast for this to become a law... Bravo Nabil! A nice way to end his parliamentary service :)

    P.S. That would automatically disqualify the Qayssar and reduce the LF block to 14 :p
    Ma afda Belo :)
    This is a jab from him at FPM and Sarkis...
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    No am against tha university diploma limitation, having a bachelor from hawaii university doesnt mean shit.

    Many great people dont have university diplomas they souldnt be disqualified.
    For a small country with 4 million citizens like Lebanon and over 70K of doctorate holders, it is a shame to be represented by 128 people who lack a university degree :) University diploma for the job of an MP is essential especially that your main business is setting and discussing laws. People with achievements who lack the minimum of university education can serve their community in other ways and they are welcome to do so.

    Also you should think about the positive aspect of this proposal in terms of pushing future MPs not to rely solely on their family name or relatives in the political arena...

    Ma afda Belo :)
    This is a jab from him at FPM and Sarkis...
    Regardless of Sarkis who lost by the way, the proposal is excellent and it should be transformed into a law because this is common sense... Dsiqualifying someone like the Qayssar would be so honorable for the Zahle representation... we have LOTS of educated and super educated Zahliots who deserve better representation and not an insulting one through an illiterate person... 3eyb!
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    For a small country with 4 million citizens like Lebanon and over 70K of doctorate holders, it is a shame to be represented by 128 people who lack a university degree :) University diploma for the job of an MP is essential especially that your main business is setting and discussing laws. People with achievements who lack the minimum of university education can serve their community in other ways and they are welcome to do so.

    Also you should think about the positive aspect of this proposal in terms of pushing future MPs not to rely solely on their family name or relatives in the political arena...



    Regardless of Sarkis who lost by the way, the proposal is excellent and it should be transformed into a law because this is common sense... Dsiqualifying someone like the Qayssar would be so honorable for the Zahle representation... we have LOTS of educated and super educated Zahliots who deserve better representation and not an insulting one through an illiterate person... 3eyb!
    I dont care how many have a phd and how many have a bachelor, many of them Are worthless and carry no added value to the people who hold them.

    The state has no right to infringe on who can represent the people. Boukra kaysar eza bafo b rouh byechtre diploma men aust aw lgu aw hawai aw ma ba3ref aya dekene.

    It serves no purpose at all, exept limiting the freedom of representation.
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    I dont care how many have a phd and how many have a bachelor, many of them Are worthless and carry no added value to the people who hold them.

    The state has no right to infringe on who can represent the people. Boukra kaysar eza bafo b rouh byechtre diploma men aust aw lgu aw hawai aw ma ba3ref aya dekene.

    It serves no purpose at all, exept limiting the freedom of representation.
    What you are saying makes no sense because every job (including the MP one) has normally education requirements. Can you have someone who doesn't know how to read and write to make laws for you?

    We have a rotten state because we work without proferssional ethics...
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    What you are saying makes no sense because every job (including the MP one) has normally education requirements. Can you have someone who doesn't know how to read and write to make laws for you?

    We have a rotten state because we work without proferssional ethics...
    Theres a difference between asking people to know how to read and write and asking them to have a university degree.

    Some people finished highschool and went to work directly, why do you want them to not be able to represent you at the parliament. Being corrupt has nothing to do with ur education. In the parliamant u need to represent all the prople of the land, not every MP is there to legislate, u need thise but u also need people with other characteristics, orators, fighters and so on.

    With all due respect the people we elect are our own choices, if zahliotes chose to elect that guy its their problem, they should hold him accountable not ask the state to take away rights on a whim.

    Let me ask you this do former army personnel have the right to represent themselves? They dont have a degree from a university.
     
    Lebnaouneh

    Lebnaouneh

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    What you are saying makes no sense because every job (including the MP one) has normally education requirements. Can you have someone who doesn't know how to read and write to make laws for you?

    We have a rotten state because we work without proferssional ethics...
    Not all MPs need to know how to write laws, you can delegate that to some members, if it was that central to his function it would have been a requirement to have studied law in all parliaments.
    The job of an MP is to be representative of the people.
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    Theres a difference between asking people to know how to read and write and asking them to have a university degree.

    Some people finished highschool and went to work directly, why do you want them to not be able to represent you at the parliament. Being corrupt has nothing to do with ur education. In the parliamant u need to represent all the prople of the land, not every MP is there to legislate, u need thise but u also need people with other characteristics, orators, fighters and so on.

    With all due respect the people we elect are our own choices, if zahliotes chose to elect that guy its their problem, they should hold him accountable not ask the state to take away rights on a whim.

    Let me ask you this do former army personnel have the right to represent themselves? They dont have a degree from a university.
    Not all MPs need to know how to write laws, you can delegate that to some members, if it was that central to his function it would have been a requirement to have studied law in all parliaments.
    The job of an MP is to be representative of the people.
    You and @Lebnaouneh are looking at the matter from the perspective of persons while I am looking at it from the perspective of the professional requirements. These are two different angles!

    Had the question be simply represent the people and don't dictate your state development and growth I would have agreed with you. BUT when your country is governed by laws and is a parliamentary system, a natural way to advanced your state is to put the most qualified persons in the parliament. MPs need to have a vision, need to know how to draft laws that allow your country to advance and need to let your people evolve and solve big problems. All these things cannot happen if the lawmakers you chose have no minimal education... There is a minimum!

    Someone like the Qayssar whose best achiements include dog fights organization, can you please tell me how he would help modernize your state for example? Wlek if he is sent to represent you in an international forum, can you please tell me what is he able to present?

    It is not a question of representation it is a question of how advanced you want your state to be. Kama takounou youwalla 3alaykom in fact... Change and enhancement start with the way people chose their representatives and the criteria for this choice...
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    For a small country with 4 million citizens like Lebanon and over 70K of doctorate holders, it is a shame to be represented by 128 people who lack a university degree :) University diploma for the job of an MP is essential especially that your main business is setting and discussing laws. People with achievements who lack the minimum of university education can serve their community in other ways and they are welcome to do so.

    Also you should think about the positive aspect of this proposal in terms of pushing future MPs not to rely solely on their family name or relatives in the political arena...



    Regardless of Sarkis who lost by the way, the proposal is excellent and it should be transformed into a law because this is common sense... Dsiqualifying someone like the Qayssar would be so honorable for the Zahle representation... we have LOTS of educated and super educated Zahliots who deserve better representation and not an insulting one through an illiterate person... 3eyb!
    Except zahliots voted him in.
    BTW do you know if Boun passes this test? I honestly have no idea just asking.
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    Except zahliots voted him in.
    BTW do you know if Boun passes this test? I honestly have no idea just asking.
    So you have no problem having MPs with no college education, right ?

    BTW, I don't know about Bon, but what I know if that FPMers did not vote for him and heir party did not order them to vote for him ;) big difference!
     
    kmarthe

    kmarthe

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    تقدم النائب نقولا فتوش ووكيله المحامي نسيم القسيس بشكوى أمام النيابة العامة الاستئنافية في البقاع ضد 15 شخصا من محازبي حزب "القوات اللبنانية" ومناصريه بجرم القدح والذم والافتراء.
    وكان المدعى عليهم أقدموا خلال احتفال أقيم في زحلة احتفاء بفوز مرشح الحزب عن المقعد الكاثوليكي في دائرة البقاع الاولى القاضي السابق جورج عقيص، على ترداد أغنية تتضمن ألفاظا نابية بحق النائب فتوش.

    LOL!!
    BTW, I heard the "song" w ma eleh 3eyn post it here :embarresed::ban:
     
    SeaAb

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    تقدم النائب نقولا فتوش ووكيله المحامي نسيم القسيس بشكوى أمام النيابة العامة الاستئنافية في البقاع ضد 15 شخصا من محازبي حزب "القوات اللبنانية" ومناصريه بجرم القدح والذم والافتراء.
    وكان المدعى عليهم أقدموا خلال احتفال أقيم في زحلة احتفاء بفوز مرشح الحزب عن المقعد الكاثوليكي في دائرة البقاع الاولى القاضي السابق جورج عقيص، على ترداد أغنية تتضمن ألفاظا نابية بحق النائب فتوش.

    LOL!!
    BTW, I heard the "song" w ma eleh 3eyn post it here :embarresed::ban:
    Post it! :cool:
     
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    freelebanonn

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    تقدم النائب نقولا فتوش ووكيله المحامي نسيم القسيس بشكوى أمام النيابة العامة الاستئنافية في البقاع ضد 15 شخصا من محازبي حزب "القوات اللبنانية" ومناصريه بجرم القدح والذم والافتراء.
    وكان المدعى عليهم أقدموا خلال احتفال أقيم في زحلة احتفاء بفوز مرشح الحزب عن المقعد الكاثوليكي في دائرة البقاع الاولى القاضي السابق جورج عقيص، على ترداد أغنية تتضمن ألفاظا نابية بحق النائب فتوش.

    LOL!!
    BTW, I heard the "song" w ma eleh 3eyn post it here :embarresed::ban:
    Fattouch mabimetlo mayyit! No wonder he is berri student! Lol.
     
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