Europe and The migrants influx

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  • proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    if these salafis takes over, all will suffer including the jews
    First, salafis will not take over, salafis are dying.
    Second, Jew know how to deal with salafis and Jews will no hesitate to deal with salafis.
     
    nonsense

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    I try as much a possible not to quote fake news
    bass hallak sensitivity 3endaak got overloaded over a story ( that didt happen in germany) while 100000000s of similar ones takes place by islamists ??
    Its not sensitivity at all. Of course we can find stories from every corner of the world. What worries me is that you and a few in here spend too much time posting what is mainly meant to fuel the 'hate the other' theme, and by 'other' we mean mostly muslims these days. And the fuel is also accompanied by sweeping generalizations and racist/discriminatory posts and terms.

    You may think you are doing people a favor, but a lot of them - especially in Lebanon - are not naive of the differences inside our country and its recent history which is very messy for everyone. But people are people, and some will believe what they read online if its posted often enough, especially if they are young. Here lies the invisible responsibility on the Forum and those who maintain it.

    It is worrying for Lebanon, because we are a country built on co-existence, and islam like christianity is only one part of your identity. If for every 100 years of peace among the sects there are 5 years of conflict (at the highest level almost always politically-inspired, not religious), then people only remember those 5 years. If young people today get it into their head that the entire world is about islam versus us, how can they accept to co-exist with Lebanese who also happen to be muslims? We have far more in common than many realize, its just that politics has played us again with religion, and since the founding of modern Lebanon we have been caught in this spider web. That is on one hand, while on the other Lebanon has the potential to be a leading example to the world to overcome this artificially fueled conflict and re-focus it on things that count the most: poverty, inequality and the weapons industry.

    Those politicians are playing you and me, Joseph and Ali, and we won't have a chance unless we break free. Its happened with other religions before too. We are who we make ourselves to be, so let us give each other the chance to work on ourselves and others to work on theirs.
     
    kmarthe

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    Allemagne: un Syrien soigné pour des traumas tue son psychologue

    Un demandeur d'asile syrien de 27 ans a mortellement poignardé mercredi en Allemagne un psychologue spécialisé dans le traitement des traumas, a annoncé la police qui a exclu la piste terroriste.

    Le drame s'est produit à Sarrebruck, dans un centre destiné au suivi et au traitement des réfugiés, a annoncé la police.

    Pour une raison inconnue, une dispute a éclaté entre le jeune syrien et son psychologue, spécialisé dans le suivi des demandeurs d'asile ayant subi un traumatisme, selon la même source.

    Le Syrien, dont on ignore s'il s'agissait du premier rendez-vous avec le praticien, a alors sorti un couteau et l'a mortellement poignardé, avant de s'infliger lui-même des blessures, a-t-on ajouté.

    L'agresseur a été hospitalisé et n'a pas pu être encore interrogé mais, selon un porte-parole de la police cité par l'agence de presse DPA, «le terrorisme n'entre absolument pas en ligne de compte» dans ce drame.

    Dans un communiqué, le président de la Croix-Rouge allemande, Rudolf Seiters, s'est dit «horrifié et choqué», évoquant un collaborateur «plein de mérite».

    L'Allemagne a accueilli en 2015 et 2016 plus d'un million de demandeurs d'asile, dont beaucoup venus de Syrie et d'Afghanistan. Le traitement des individus traumatisés par la guerre et la violence est l'un des nombreux défis auquel le pays fait face.

    WTH?!? :confused::confused::confused:
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    n demandeur d'asile syrien de 27 ans a mortellement poignardé mercredi en Allemagne un psychologue spécialisé dans le traitement des traumas, a annoncé la police qui a exclu la piste terroriste.

    bab al 7ara, watching it too much

    sad ,m but when you bring orcs and savages thats the results
     
    Jorje

    Jorje

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    Allemagne: un Syrien soigné pour des traumas tue son psychologue

    Un demandeur d'asile syrien de 27 ans a mortellement poignardé mercredi en Allemagne un psychologue spécialisé dans le traitement des traumas, a annoncé la police qui a exclu la piste terroriste.

    Le drame s'est produit à Sarrebruck, dans un centre destiné au suivi et au traitement des réfugiés, a annoncé la police.

    Pour une raison inconnue, une dispute a éclaté entre le jeune syrien et son psychologue, spécialisé dans le suivi des demandeurs d'asile ayant subi un traumatisme, selon la même source.

    Le Syrien, dont on ignore s'il s'agissait du premier rendez-vous avec le praticien, a alors sorti un couteau et l'a mortellement poignardé, avant de s'infliger lui-même des blessures, a-t-on ajouté.

    L'agresseur a été hospitalisé et n'a pas pu être encore interrogé mais, selon un porte-parole de la police cité par l'agence de presse DPA, «le terrorisme n'entre absolument pas en ligne de compte» dans ce drame.

    Dans un communiqué, le président de la Croix-Rouge allemande, Rudolf Seiters, s'est dit «horrifié et choqué», évoquant un collaborateur «plein de mérite».

    L'Allemagne a accueilli en 2015 et 2016 plus d'un million de demandeurs d'asile, dont beaucoup venus de Syrie et d'Afghanistan. Le traitement des individus traumatisés par la guerre et la violence est l'un des nombreux défis auquel le pays fait face.

    WTH?!? :confused::confused::confused:

    Really, how pathetic and low you are to post isolated incidents where terrorism has not been suspected. #truecolors
     
    HannaTheCrusader

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    1 non muslim in UK decided to act like muslims , we wont have the end of it

    meanwhile that same day, 2 muslims attacked UK police, 1 attacked a french police with intention to blow his car, 1 blew himself in belgium

    bass shou all the MSM saw is that failed white terrorist...

    لنيابة العامة البلجيكية: منفذ الهجوم في محطة بروكسل للقطارات مغربي عمره 36 عاما
     
    Picasso

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    As Pope Francis Champions Migrants, Some Cardinals Court the Far Right


    VATICAN CITY — When the far-right Italian politician Matteo Salvini rose to testify that he hoped to be a better Christian despite being a divorced and first-class “sinner,” one of the ultraconservative cardinals most critical of the pope smiled and clapped on the dais behind him.

    “In my own little way, with my professional activity, I try to do my best to help the 60 million Italians with what doesn’t depend on us alone,” Mr. Salvini, Italy’s anti-migrant, nationalist interior minister, said in October at a pontifical university next to the Vatican.

    But even as Cardinal Raymond Burke, the de facto leader of the conservative opposition to Pope Francis in the Roman Catholic Church, warmly applauded for Mr. Salvini, the pope himself has been less impressed with Mr. Salvini’s “professional activities.”

    Those actions have included blocking ships full of desperate migrants from entering Italy and working to destabilize the European Union by flouting its rules and potentially undercutting its currency. On the day after Mr. Salvini’s thumping victory in elections for the European Parliament, Francis warned, as he had for months, that fearmongers had made people “intolerant, closed and perhaps even, without realizing it, racist.”

    While the pope has emerged as a leading champion for refugees and migrants around the world, anti-immigration politicians with a populist appeal have found increasing support among once-powerful conservative Catholic figures who have been sidelined within the church by Francis.

    Cardinal Burke and his fellow ultraconservative prelates are working to extend ecclesiastical cover to nationalist politicians by hailing them as champions for Western Christianity and traditional values in the face of what they suggest is a Muslim migrant invasion. In the process, the cardinals’ support has helped inoculate the populists from criticism by the pope’s allies and has facilitated their political appeal to conservative Catholic voters.

    Catholic bishops in sync with Francis’ inclusive vision of the church have criticized nationalist leaders in Poland, Hungary and the United States for their hard-line views on migration, but those politicians have also enjoyed the support of a small but vocal group of conservative clerics. Perhaps nowhere is that dynamic as stark as in the pope’s own backyard.

    Mr. Salvini, whose party in Italy began as secessionist and worshipful of the pagan powers of the Po River, has spent years cultivating a relationship with Cardinal Burke.

    “Salvini doesn’t seek an accord with the church; he looks for an accord with those elements within the church that are favorable to him,” said Andrea Riccardi, the founder of the Sant’Egidio Community, a Catholic group close to Francis.

    Francis will speak only generally about his concerns on the rise of nationalist and populist politics, and he tends to coyly avoid direct questions about Mr. Salvini in particular.

    “I confess I am ignorant of this and I do not understand Italian politics,” he said on the flight back from Romania this month when asked about Mr. Salvini’s use of Catholic symbols while campaigning.

    But clerics close to Francis have expressed disdain for what they consider Mr. Salvini’s exploitation of rosary beads and crucifixes, and for his prayers for electoral victory to the immaculate Mother Mary. They howl when he quotes John Paul II and Francis’ predecessor, the conservative Benedict XVI, to show that his views on Europe are in line with the church.

    And they disliked the way he defended his hard-line position on migration at a rally in Milan by featuring an image of Cardinal Robert Sarah of Guinea, who has been isolated by Francis and has written critically of migration. (Mr. Salvini described him as “An African cardinal and thus an expert of the things we are talking about.”)

    Mr. Salvini prompted more consternation in the Vatican when he celebrated his European election victory before a bookcase holding an icon of Jesus, a “Make America Great Again” hat and history books including “Himmler’s Crusade,” about an infamous Nazi exploration in Tibet.

    But ostracized conservative cardinals came to Mr. Salvini’s defense.

    “There are countries that want to de-Christianize Italy and Europe, while Salvini has gone back to the patron saints of the European Union, to its Christian roots,” Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller told The Corriere della Sera this month. Francis fired Cardinal Müller in 2017 as the top doctrinal watchdog in the Roman Catholic Church, removing a powerful ideological opponent.

    Cardinal Willem Eijk, the archbishop of Utrecht in the Netherlands and a conservative close to Cardinal Burke, received an award from Mr. Salvini at the university event in October. In an interview, he said he hoped the church was “inspiring” to Mr. Salvini and that Mr. Salvini would, in turn, bring its teachings into the public sphere. He had no problem with Mr. Salvini’s nationalism.

    “Well, I sat next to him,” he said with a smile, “and I don’t find him a very scary person.”

    Soon after Francis’ election in 2013, the pope denounced the “globalization of indifference” during his watermark visit to the Mediterranean migrant hub of Lampedusa. Mr. Salvini wrote at the time that the pope should be concerned with the “globalization of clandestine” immigration.

    In September 2016, Mr. Salvini walked around the Northern League’s annual festival and spotted what he exclaimed was “this incredible T-shirt!” It featured a bewildered Pope Francis, his hands slapped on his cheeks like the distressed child in the “Home Alone” poster, above the words “My Pope Is Benedict.”

    “I like everybody, but the pope is Benedict,” Mr. Salvini said. Pointing at the supporters around him, he added, “Pope Benedict had very clear ideas on Islam and people living together. I don’t like those who invite the imams in church.”

    By then, Mr. Salvini was already years into cultivating Cardinal Burke. In February 2017, the Italian news media reported that Mr. Salvini had met for more that an hour with the cardinal in the prelate’s apartment just outside the Vatican walls.

    Cardinal Burke said the next month at a church in Virginia that he had had a meeting with “a very prominent Italian politician and a very good man,” whom he had known “ pastorally for a number of years.”

    He added: “This politician said to me at one point — he suffers; he is divorced from his wife, and he said to me at one point: ‘Your eminence, I am a sinner and I need you to tell me what is my sin and not to tell me that everything I’m doing is just fine. Because it isn’t.’ ”

    While he privately wooed the Vatican conservatives, Mr. Salvini delighted his base by criticizing Francis, whom the hard right ridiculed as a globalist liberal wolf in shepherd’s clothing. But Mr. Salvini also denied that he was doing any such thing, and even suggested that he and Francis had a shared vision.

    After the event in October, when asked if he had more in common with Cardinal Burke, given Pope Francis’ strong rejection of nationalism, Mr. Salvini said, “On immigration, Pope Francis says there is the need to respect limits and rules — exactly my principle.”

    In the meantime, Cardinal Burke kept vouching for Mr. Salvini. Asked at a Rome event in May about an assertion by the pope’s almoner that anti-Muslim politicians should be refused a papal blessing, Cardinal Burke said, “To resist large-scale Muslim immigration, in my judgment, is to be responsible.”

    He added, “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what’s happened” in Europe and the United States, and characterized Muslim immigrants as belonging to a faith that sought to conquer the world.

    The next day, Mr. Salvini headlined a rally of European populists in Milan. He held up a rosary, said he trusted Italy, and his victory, to the “immaculate heart of Maria,” and rebutted Francis’ assertion that the Mediterranean Sea was being transformed “into a cemetery.”

    “I say it also to Pope Francis,” he said to boos at the mention of the pope’s name, “the government is eliminating the dead in the Mediterranean with pride and a Christian spirit.

    “We are saving lives. Say it with pride tomorrow going to Mass to the few who unfortunately preach politics from the pulpit.”


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    Picasso

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    "an assertion by the pope’s almoner that anti-Muslim politicians should be refused a papal blessing."

    That was one of many interesting parts of the above article. It shows to which extent Francis is digging in deaf rock.

    Another issue would be the case of the cardinals who are rushing to give their blessing & support to the Far Right. Should it be surprising then to read about the WWII phase when many argued about the support & blessing given to Nazism? If they want to get rid of Muslims now, then for sure they wanted to get rid of Jews back then.
     
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    JB81

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    "an assertion by the pope’s almoner that anti-Muslim politicians should be refused a papal blessing."

    That was one of many interesting parts of the above article. It shows to which extent Francis is digging in deaf rock.

    Another issue would be the case of the cardinals who are rushing to give their blessing & support to the Far Right. Should it be surprising then to read about the WWII phase when many argued about the support & blessing given to Nazism? If they want to get rid of Muslims now, then for sure they wanted to get rid of Jews back then.
    And the narrative of anti-Christian continues, and wonder why Christians are being slaughtered to death all over the world.

    Continue with your hate speech against Christians. Nothing new from you.
     
    Iron Maiden

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    @Dark Angel & @JB81 do you agree that the church did not play its political part and understand why the italians felt a political was left by the church?
     
    SAVO

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