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Europe on the verge of witnessing many electoral wins by far right parties

Indie

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Or we just have different views in life ...it happens!

Yes...but in this case you made an argument that does not fit with what Macron said. He never talked about the Church re-entering politics. He talked about individual Catholics and their contribution to the state.
 

Mrsrx

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Yes...but in this case you made an argument that does not fit with what Macron said. He never talked about the Church re-entering politics. He talked about individual Catholics and their contribution to the state.
I understood that quite well...and my view is that citizens should contribute and not catholics...you do not need to be tagged to be a good person or get something right.
an individual can be both catholic and an educated citizen. By calling it out as catholic he is playing on the sensibility of catholics of versailles and co to bring them in....that was my point
 

Iron Maiden

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Did you see this?

Emmanuel Macron, l'Église et la République

Gives some hope to the sad state of affairs...
I am very wary of macron when it comes to social matters.
His electorate was 60% leftist/center left and hes been giving them the boot with many much needed economic reforms and today he announced that frances social welfare program is a very costly burden so we're expecting new social spending cuts, which great!

But the guyie clearly playing the french roots card because he needs it. What the article is talking about might have some good points but i always ask why hes saying those now.


It's even worse in England. They literally own half of London.

Some right-wing dude exposed rape gangs in the UK that have been operating for decades; but neither the police nor the government were doing anything about it for fear of seeming "racist" (the men were all Muslim immigrants). In response, they banned the dude who exposed the scandal from entering the UK, saying his right-wing views are dangerous.
You should check tommy robinson's story, he was the founder of the english defense league, and now a public speaker abt the threats that british communities have to live with on a daily basis in many borroughs of london and its suburbs.
Long story short people are being harrased to leave their property so that other muslim immigrants can come and settle there

Even better...stop smoking ;)
I dont smoke :angel:
 

Iron Maiden

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It is a convenient article in le figaro (right).

L'église was never a solution and that is why the french moved away from it. It is as corrupt as the political world...Macron is searching for popularity on the right (the cathos that stayed woth fillon after all the scandals 19%)
Whether they like it or not the french's history, culture and wine are intertwined with the church. They are ready to face the corrupt clergy but cower in front of islamic radicalism
 

Mrsrx

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Whether they like it or not the french's history, culture and wine are intertwined with the church. They are ready to face the corrupt clergy but cower in front of islamic radicalism
Like it or not singling out a minority is not feasable in the western world! And even though i agree with the statement you need to be sly on how you do it and that is what it happening...The fact that you do not see it is the point
 

Iron Maiden

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no coffee no smoking....are you a vegan aswell!

Happy you will be paying for my arrets maladies in a few years!!! Thanks
If am having a heart attack its gonna be from bacon, not coffee nor cigarettes

I hope u enjoy waiting in line for 3 hours to see ur doctors, i'll be glad to pay for that :p
 

Iron Maiden

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Like it or not singling out a minority is not feasable in the western world! And even though i agree with the statement you need to be sly on how you do it and that is what it happening...The fact that you do not see it is the point
The right has never been sly in tackling the matter, true, but its not their job either.

Policies are always made by either center left or centre right politicians, the right needs to bark enough to show said politicians what the issues are. Thats how European politics hav played since ww2
 

Mrsrx

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The right has never been sly in tackling the matter, true, but its not their job either.

Policies are always made by either center left or centre right politicians, the right needs to bark enough to show said politicians what the issues are. Thats how European politics hav played since ww2
that is how they played after WWI* which led to WWII.

after WWII they were inclusive of the germans and helped them....Italy was boredline communist and so was france and in the golden years of france that is when the immigration de masse happened!....
 

Mrsrx

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The right has never been sly in tackling the matter, true, but its not their job either.

Policies are always made by either center left or centre right politicians, the right needs to bark enough to show said politicians what the issues are. Thats how European politics hav played since ww2
never mind misread...but i dont think building walls and no tolerance policy works anyway

inertia is shitty (the policies of the last years) but another solution other that right/far right exists
 

Iron Maiden

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that is how they played after WWI* which led to WWII.

after WWII they were inclusive of the germans and helped them....Italy was boredline communist and so was france and in the golden years of france that is when the immigration de masse happened!....
U mixing many topics into this one.

Ww2 happenned for many reasons, left vs right politics isnt one of them. So lets stop here.

Mass immigration under de gaulle, or as it should be called mass exploitation of foreign workers with the moneys of the marshall plan, was thought to be a great idea at the time since the workers were very needed and coming from french territories they thought they would be able to integrate them.

50 years later 4th generation algerians still go and put algerias flag on the hotel de ville in paris whenever the 2 countries meet in football game.

Go figure
 

Mrsrx

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U mixing many topics into this one.

Ww2 happenned for many reasons, left vs right politics isnt one of them. So lets stop here.

Mass immigration under de gaulle, or as it should be called mass exploitation of foreign workers with the moneys of the marshall plan, was thought to be a great idea at the time since the workers were very needed and coming from french territories they thought they would be able to integrate them.

50 years later 4th generation algerians still go and put algerias flag on the hotel de ville in paris whenever the 2 countries meet in football game.

Go figure
I misread your point and thus my reply and that is why i said never mind.

But 50 years later that is normal...even been in berj hamoud? it has been 100!! when u put people in a ghetto it becomes like that everywhere...

And do not generalise some people are integrated and a lot are not...we are here on a mainly lebanese forum yet carry 2 passeports aswell which does not mean we are not integrated
 

Iron Maiden

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I misread your point and thus my reply and that is why i said never mind.

But 50 years later that is normal...even been in berj hamoud? it has been 100!! when u put people in a ghetto it becomes like that everywhere...

And do not generalise some people are integrated and a lot are not...we are here on a mainly lebanese forum yet carry 2 passeports aswell which does not mean we are not integrated
I hav never met an armenian spitting on lebanon or its identity, cant say the same abt this country
 

Indie

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I understood that quite well...and my view is that citizens should contribute and not catholics...you do not need to be tagged to be a good person or get something right.
an individual can be both catholic and an educated citizen. By calling it out as catholic he is playing on the sensibility of catholics of versailles and co to bring them in....that was my point

The thing is...Catholicicism was shunned for so many years that it is good to hear a president aknowledging the positive things that Catholics, and their values and culture, contributed to society. Macron just broke a taboo by openly stating so.
 

Indie

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Whether they like it or not the french's history, culture and wine are intertwined with the church. They are ready to face the corrupt clergy but cower in front of islamic radicalism

Here is a story about the so-called "corrupt" clergy.

When the French revolutionaries were getting rid of the monarchy, they managed to threaten the king into giving up all his powers. The only point the king did not concede to is this: the revolutionaries wanted the clergy to sign some clauses which went against the vows they took as clergymen. Those who did not sign were executed. The king, after signing away his own powers, stood up for the priests. And he ended up being executed too. So did his wife. But before their death, and in line with their Catholic values, they wrote to their children, asking them not to take revenge on the population (in case the monarchy got saved).

The "enlightened" anti "corrupt clergy" revolutionaries ended up instituting what is now known, in history books, as a reign of terror.
 

Iron Maiden

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Here is a story about the so-called "corrupt" clergy.

When the French revolutionaries were getting rid of the monarchy, they managed to threaten the king into giving up all his powers. The only point the king did not concede to is this: the revolutionaries wanted the clergy to sign some clauses which went against the vows they took as clergymen. Those who did not sign were executed. The king, after signing away his own powers, stood up for the priests. And he ended up being executed too. So did his wife. But before their death, and in line with their Catholic values, they wrote to their children, asking them not to take revenge on the population (in case the monarchy got saved).

The "enlightened" anti "corrupt clergy" revolutionaries ended up instituting what is now known, in history books, as a reign of terror.
FYI: i am bery much anti clergy, but its true abt the french revolution, and their history books barely talk about this.

Also they barely talk abt the vendee counter revolution and their utter genocide by the forces of madman in power.
 

Elvis left the building

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U know western media has gone nuts when normal patriots are considered far right

Even more funny is hearing that from proud denizens of racist arabic/islamic/socialist hell cult worshipping dictatorships
 

Mrsrx

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I hav never met an armenian spitting on lebanon or its identity, cant say the same abt this country

Yes i never said that...i am sure it exists though for some reason as i met so many lebanese shit on lebanon ...armenians have the right too as i grew up around BH and have family who live there.. I can clearly they do not have the best conditions of life even in lebanese standards (though arguably the best food).

My main point is to not generalize neither in the good nor the bad as people do not come in one cast...some are educated some are integrated and some are drug dealers and extremists ....

The main problem is the integration process in France. The main issue is clear by the name its "integration":
1- you need to be integrated and be cast into an existing mold (fine if the host wants that)
2- to be integrated the host needs to integrate you (which france failed utterly and we all know how and why)

Today we are witnessing that failure before our eyes every day! Countries like canada and USA (not models) but talk about diversity and not integration which is both easier on the host and the "guest" but i think they are onto a better model than france but still quite far off. Immigration is part of today's world and environmental and countries messing up others will make it worse...so better find a way to deal with it before it deals with us.
 

HannaTheCrusader

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