Ex-Muslims, have you been able to convince relatives and friends to leave Islam?

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  • vicking

    vicking

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    A lot of Muslims people go to Siant Charbel and actually they receive miracles.
    A priest was telling me that thousands every day come to see them, a lot are converting to Jesus but they do not tell in their immediate communities

    I need to say that I am surprised that for the last few years there was such a high rate of Muslims going into Christianity
     
    Dynamis

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    A lot of Muslims people go to Siant Charbel and actually they receive miracles.
    A priest was telling me that thousands every day come to see them, a lot are converting to Jesus but they do not tell in their immediate communities

    I need to say that I am surprised that for the last few years there was such a high rate of Muslims going into Christianity
    Generally, there are few reports about how many people leave Islam in Muslim majority countries. The main reason for this is the social and legal repercussions associated with leaving Islam in many Muslim majority countries, up to and including the death penalty for apostasy. This is why the Muslim establishment is so afraid of 3ilmaneyeh in Lebanon. This is why you keep hearing about Ilgha2 Al Taefieyeh El Siyesiyeh instead.

    Roughly about 25% of my classmates that were Muslims, ended up converting to Christianity either through marriage or conviction. Most of them, however, live in the west now. There is one friend that actually became a full-on Protestant Christian Preacher, and converted the entire family including sister sand brother (but not parents).
     
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    Generally, there are few reports about how many people leave Islam in Muslim majority countries. The main reason for this is the social and legal repercussions associated with leaving Islam in many Muslim majority countries, up to and including the death penalty for apostasy. This is why the Muslim establishment is so afraid of 3ilmaneyeh in Lebanon. This is why you keep hearing about Ilgha2 Al Taefieyeh El Siyesiyeh instead.

    Roughly about 25% of my classmates that were Muslims, ended up converting to Christianity either through marriage or conviction. Most of them, however, live in the west now. There is one friend that actually became a full-on Protestant Christian Preacher, and converted the entire family including sister sand brother (but not parents).
    25%? Thats huge. I've never heard of any moslem becoming Christian in Syria. How are Lebanese moslems any different?
     
    Indie

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    25%? Thats huge. I've never heard of any moslem becoming Christian in Syria. How are Lebanese moslems any different?
    Maybe because Lebanon is much less conservative as a society...
     
    Ice Tea

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    25%? Thats huge. I've never heard of any moslem becoming Christian in Syria. How are Lebanese moslems any different?

    Syrian Kurds are converting.


    As for your question. Lebanese Muslims are no different than than their Arab Muslim brothers accros the region. If you consider Alawites Muslims, then there's no Lebanese Muslim group who is as civilized and secular as them. They are closer in behavior to Iraqi Muslims more than anything.

    The difference is Christians are not marginalized in Lebanon like in Syria, Iraq or Egypt and when Lebanese Muslims realize the barbaric environment they were raised in and the prosperity and civilization of Christians they wonder what's wrong with their community. Many of those either become atheists or convert to Christianity.
     
    Ice Tea

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    “I have heard many stories about the conversion of Muslims,” he said, in both the Maronite and Melkite communities – the two largest Catholic groups in the country.

    The bishop cited one Melkite priest who baptized 75 Muslims last year. “Most of them left Muslim areas to stay in the Christian area,” he said, and many are trying to emigrate.

    If converts from Islam are not able to leave Lebanon, he said, they often move to areas of Lebanon with larger concentrations of Christians: “other people left the Beqaa valley to stay in Beirut, or in Jounieh, in the Christian country.”

    Those converting to Christianity in Lebanon are by and large Lebanese themselves, the bishop explained, saying, “I know only one Syrian.”

     
    Dynamis

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    “I have heard many stories about the conversion of Muslims,” he said, in both the Maronite and Melkite communities – the two largest Catholic groups in the country.

    The bishop cited one Melkite priest who baptized 75 Muslims last year. “Most of them left Muslim areas to stay in the Christian area,” he said, and many are trying to emigrate.

    If converts from Islam are not able to leave Lebanon, he said, they often move to areas of Lebanon with larger concentrations of Christians: “other people left the Beqaa valley to stay in Beirut, or in Jounieh, in the Christian country.”

    Those converting to Christianity in Lebanon are by and large Lebanese themselves, the bishop explained, saying, “I know only one Syrian.”

    @damascus: Mass Conversion to Christianity is not uncommon in Lebanon over history. The Shehabs were part of the ruling Sunni Class and converted to Christianity in the 1700s.

    The Shihabi dynasty (alternatively spelled Chehab; Arabic: الشهابيون‎, ALA-LC: AlShihābiyūn) were a prominent noble family during the Ottoman era in Greater Syria. The Shihabis were the traditional princes of the Wadi al-Taym, who traced their lineage to the Banu Makhzum of the ancient Quraysh tribe. Under Emir Haydar Shihab, the Qaysi faction and the Shihabi dynasty consolidated their control over Mount Lebanon from their Yamani Druze rivals at the 1711 Battle of Ain Dara. Their victory also precipitated an exodus of Druze tenants from Mount Lebanon and their gradual replacement with Maronite and Melkite Christians. During the era of Emir Yusuf Shihab, members of the family, including the latter, began to convert from Sunni Islam to the Maronite Church. Fouad Shehab, President of Lebanon, was from this family tree.
     
    Dynamis

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    Syrian Kurds are converting.

    Great article!

    The Kurds converting is also not new. Although it is not well reported, and not widely known. One of the most prominent Kurdish leaders in Iraqi Kurdistan, Sheikh Ahmed Barzani who was a brother of Mustafa Barzani, announced his conversion to Christianity during his uprising against the Iraqi government in 1931.

    The Kurdish-Speaking Church of Christ (The Kurdzman Church of Christ) was established in Hewlêr (Erbil) by the end of 2000, and has branches in the Silêmanî, Duhok governorates. This is the first evangelical Kurdish church in Iraq, and is composed of Muslim Kurdish Converts to Christianity. Its logo is formed of a yellow sun and a cross rising up behind a mountain range.
     
    SAVO

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    converting people from islam to christianity it push them from darkness to darkness .. only atheism can wake up the humanity from the opium called religions..
    in italy lot of people are desrting the catholic church .. in germany more than 60 % are atheist . in czech republic more than 80 percent ..

    in russia , even with all the support given to the church by putin , still more than 60 % are atheist ..
    go figure in china ..
    thats the future buddy ... atheism and socialism ..
    im the guy driving this traktor u can say

    i agree with you that in muslim countries it is still a hard task not because that islam is a coherent ideology , in fact it is more a mental fraud than religion .. but because the people are hostaged by the society , geopolitics and many other factors that made it hard to them to put their beliefs under critics .. and chistian proselitism does not make it easier for them..

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    Ice Tea

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    i do that with all religious people , muslim , christian jews ..

    i follow this organization : militant atheism

    im the guy driving this traktor u can say

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    League of Militant Atheists - Wikipedia

    First of all I have to say I really respect and applaud you like I do any ex-Muslim!!

    Second, you have to agree that Muslims pose an extremely greater treath to atheists (especially ex-Muslims) than any other religious group, right.
     
    SAVO

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    First of all I have to say I really respect and applaud you like I do any ex-Muslim!!
    Second, you have to agree that Muslims pose an extremely greater treath to atheists (especially ex-Muslims) than any other religious group, right.
    I was never a muslim since i grow in an atheist comunist family.. so not my case .
    Said that i used to apply the rule leave and let live.. but after the muslim shia criminal behaviour against comunist in south lebanon.. i became fanatically anti shia..

    Communist have a harsh vision toward religion.. all religion islam included..ill post what ideologically we think islam is as origin
     
    SAVO

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    i personally follow this school of thought regarding islam : which in brief consider islam more like a political ideology for commerciant than a religion and spirituality ..in the theologic sense ..

    Mikhail A. Reisner (Michael von Reusner, 1868–1928), ethnic German historian of law and publicist produced a detailed Marxist analysis of the Koran from the perspective of social studies. His interpretation of Islam can be found in two articles on “The Koran and Its Social Ideology”, published in 1926 in a Soviet literary journal. In these studies Reisner maintained that Islam was the religion of the Arab merchants of Mecca. He distinguished between the big merchants, that is, the rich families of Mecca, and the less affluent and poor merchant families. Due to the disunion of the Arab tribes, trade caravans were constantly running the risk of being raided by nomads. These caravans were organized as joint ventures of rich and less affluent trade families of the Quraysh tribe, but the poorer merchants invested, and therefore risked, a higher percentage of their capital than the rich families. For this reason the idea of a union of the Arab tribes under one monotheistic religion was developed by the poorer families of the Quraysh, for only such a union would eliminate the raids. Their speaker became Muhammad, who himself hailed from one of the less privileged Quraysh clans.
    Reisner maintains that the Koran portrayed Allah as "a rich, powerful and smart capitalist". In Medina, Muhammad acted not so much as a prophet and preacher but as a skillful organizer. He was successful not because people were eager to join a new religion but because they longed for a law that would unite them. The Koran, Reisner continues, only guarantees the right to property and creates a “World Trade Company of Believers” (mirovaia torgovaia kompaniia veruiushchikh) under God's own leadership. Many elements in the Koran reflect a merchant's position: the prayers and rituals are not very complex and do not require “spiritual contortions”; the pilgrimage to Mecca (ḥajj) is linked to a trade fair; tithes (zakāt) is restricted to a moderate level, and believers are exhorted not to squander their money; while usury is forbidden, Muslims are encouraged to make moderate profits; and, of course, the Koran emphasizes the importance of oaths, correct measurements, and the faithful return of the deposit.
    Reisner explains that mystical elements, which tended to supersede the clear class distinctions, were to enter Islam only much later, mainly stemming from the Persian tradition.
    Reisner's interpretation turned out to be very influential among Soviet scholars of the late 1920s.
     
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    SAVO

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    the funny thing is that USURA which is a jewish thing , was forbidden by church and by muslim :D
     
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