Fascism - History of a Criminal ideology

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  • gramsci

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    Formed in 1936 as a Maronite paramilitary youth organization by Pierre Jumayyil (who modeled it on the fascist organizations he had observed while in Berlin as an Olympic athlete), the Phalange, or Phalanxes (Kataib in Arabic), was authoritarian and very centralized, and its leader was all powerful. It quickly grew into a major political force in Mount Lebanon. After at first allying itself with the French Mandate authorities, the Phalange sided with those calling for independence; as a result, the party was dissolved in 1942 by the French high commissioner (it was restored after The French left Lebanon). Despite this early dispute, over the years the Phalange has been closely associated with France in particular and the West in general. In fact, for many years the party newspaper, Al Amal, was printed in Arabic and French.
    Consistent with its authoritarian beginnings, Phalangist ideology has been on the right of the political spectrum. Although it has embraced the need to "modernize," it has always favored the preservation of the sectarian status quo. The Phalange Party motto is "God, the Fatherland, and the Family," and its doctrine emphasizes a free economy and private initiative. Phalangist ideology focuses on the primacy of preserving the Lebanese nation, but with a "Phoenician" identity, distinct from its Arab, Muslim neighbors. Party policies have been uniformly anticommunist and anti-Palestinian and have allowed no place for pan-Arab ideals.
     

    gramsci

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    the romanian iron guard

    The Romanian Iron Guard was a Romanian Fascist Legionary movement. Following a very religious branch of fascism, the movement adopted the image of Archangle Michael as their official logo. The movement was also heavily nationalistic and saw themselves in a crusade to save Romania ..


     

    Isabella

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    So I have a couple of comments on this subject mostly about a particularly annoying discussion I had today regarding whether fascism had more in common with what is commonly referred to as alt-right today or leftist SJWs... I believed the question itself showed a vast lack of historical context! While it is true that fascism is more leftist in the sense that it's the belief that the collective trumps the individual, meaning state rights are vastly more important than individual rights, it is this same belief that was used to justify ethnic cleansing racism and all kinds of atrocities against minorities that were viewed as "bad"!



    Let us compare what stands today and the kind of people that are more commonly referred to as alt-right or leftist SJWs and see which category of people is more likely to believe that fascism is a valid ideology and that discriminating against a minority is actually beneficial for the collective!

    1. What is commonly referred to as alt-right are people who believe nationalism is a valid ideology, (much like nationalism played a vast and vital role in the spread of fascism!) They are afraid of immigrants and see them as "destroying their culture and society" much like how fascism was used historically to justify ethnic cleansing! They tend to be racist, sectarian, sexist, and classist all under the banner of conservatism! No you can respect and value your own culture without being a dick to other people!

    2. Now let us compare the above to what is commonly referred to as leftist SJWs nowadays! They are these people most often painted as exaggerated charicatures screaming for social justice! You know respecting all people no matter their sex, race, religion, social background etc. Seriously when did fighting for equality among all people become a bad thing? But seriously what is in common between let's say me, and historical fascism? since I am commonly referred to as a leftist SJW since I believe in equality no matter your sexual orientation, religion, social background, the color of your skin, etc. And that these concepts should trump borders and nationalistic identities That we are people before belonging to whichever country it is we happen to belong to and that humanity must trump all else!




    Yes, that's right! Oddly enough I was labeled as a hysterical fascist SJW leftist just today for not agreeing that historical fascism has more in common with modern day leftists than the alt-right lmao! Unfortunately the facts are on my side, but that doesn't matter since historically speaking leftist ideologies means that the state has more value than the individual and this is exactly why purely leftist ideologies have failed! It doesn't mean if you believe in social justice or socialist concepts you are fascist! No absolutely not! People forget or ignore that free education, healthcare, job security, unemployment checks, etc. Are all socialist concepts!



    Being called a leftist SJW IS SOMETHING I PERSONALLY TAKE PRIDE IN! IT MEANS I VALUE HUMANITY ABOVE ALL ELSE! I know when people use these labels they are attempting to insult me but meh! I consider it more insulting to always be harping on about the rights of one specific group of people above all else! So at least I have nothing in common with actual historical fascists!
     
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    Indie

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    Fascism is actually a leftist ideology, not a right-wing one.


    I don't always agree with PragerU, but I googled the information presented in this video and it looks accurate.
     

    gramsci

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    Fascism is actually a leftist ideology, not a right-wing one.


    I don't always agree with PragerU, but I googled the information presented in this video and it looks accurate.
    that made me laugh.. i wont debate about it lol ..i would rather consider it as armenian humor ;)
     

    Indie

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    that made me laugh.. i wont debate about it lol ..i would rather consider it as armenian humor ;)
    I don't see what's funny about it :)

    Gentile was initially inspired by Marx, and he thought fascism was an improved version of communism.

    It's also true that fascists and leftists favour big government, while conservatives tend to be libertarian and favour a small government.

    You can see the fascist tendencies in today's leftists and how they attempt to control everything, including people's speech, as well as making every issue about power-dynamics between so-called "oppressed and oppressors."
     

    gramsci

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    @Indie
    leftist marxist movement ( i prefer to call it the socialist movement ) , and here i underline marxist , are ideologies based on the conflict on class ,labour class called proletaria against the bourgeois capitalist structure of power , that include aristocracy , clericalism , monarchies ..and it aim to create a non class society.under the rule of the largest social class : the workers class .

    Fascism is a violent ideology , a tool in the hands of bourgeois and capitalist class to contrast the advance of socialism .
    so how the hell u get ur conclusion .. they even have different philosophical and ideological roots ..
     

    gramsci

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    I don't see what's funny about it :)

    Gentile was initially inspired by Marx, and he thought fascism was an improved version of communism.

    It's also true that fascists and leftists favour big government, while conservatives tend to be libertarian and favour a small government.

    You can see the fascist tendencies in today's leftists and how they attempt to control everything, including people's speech, as well as making every issue about power-dynamics between so-called "oppressed and oppressors."
    Giovanni gentile elaborated the idealism concept as an ideology of fascism .. the idealism oppose radically the realism ( materialism ) which is the ideology of socialism ..Actual idealism - Wikipedia
    both are elaborated based on hegelian filosophy .. marx criticized hegel idealism and used the dialectical hegelian applied on the scientifical materialism.
    if for that , even mussolini was socialist .. but that doesnt mean they elaborated the socialist ideology to bcame fascism ...they simply shifted ideology or were fake ..
    from a political point of view , the fascism was allied with the bourgeois class to opress or suppress the proletarian class and it was never an ideology of the workers class..
    u must read gramsci about it ;)
    in a communist society the control must be in the hands of the workers class..all bourgeois feature that create social division and form of elitism or cosmopolitism must be suppressed .. and absolutely not allowed.( talking about perfect socialist society )
     
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