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BOILER

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#1
The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?

Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?

What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?
 
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    The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

    Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

    Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?

    Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?

    What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?
    A woman doesn't have to be a feminist to have demands.
    Before talking about political and economical equality, people should tackle social inequalities, and deep inside the education women are given in this patriarcal society of ours. This education is of course deeply related to religion, especially in Islam.
    Before becoming ministers or CEOs, women must become FREE OF MIND and believe that they can live freely without hypocrisy and lies. The hard boundaries in patriarcal society force women to lie and hide in order to live thei lives the way they see fit.

    Pornography does not affect our everyday life, but the perception of men in general: first of all, men who watch too much pornography become somehow demanding, they expect their partners to be as "horny" and sexy as porn stars. Second: romanticism is lost, women become mere sexual objects meant to satisfy men's lowest instincts.
    On the other side, pornography can have a positive effect in the sense that some men become disgusted by it and search for partners who are the opposite of these porn star...

    haha it's a very very long subject, if i carry on, no one will have the patience to read my post... :1977:

    Cheers! :angel:
     

    BOILER

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    #4
    A woman doesn't have to be a feminist to have demands.
    I know, but the topic is limited to Feminists:smile:
    I'm sure there are some on the forum.
    Before talking about political and economical equality, people should tackle social inequalities, and deep inside the education women are given in this patriarcal society of ours. This education is of course deeply related to religion, especially in Islam.
    Before becoming ministers or CEOs, women must become FREE OF MIND and believe that they can live freely without hypocrisy and lies. The hard boundaries in patriarcal society force women to lie and hide in order to live thei lives the way they see fit.
    So, are you saying that religion is an opposing factor for women to reach their just rights?

    And do you believe that a movement like Feminism could be the solution for this freedom of mind you're talking about?


    Pornography does not affect our everyday life, but the perception of men in general: first of all, men who watch too much pornography become somehow demanding, they expect their partners to be as "horny" and sexy as porn stars. Second: romanticism is lost, women become mere sexual objects meant to satisfy men's lowest instincts.
    On the other side, pornography can have a positive effect in the sense that some men become disgusted by it and search for partners who are the opposite of these porn star...
    Why blaming men for watching too much pornography?
    Isn't it obvious that women who accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects'' are tarnishing the image of women in society?
     
    #5
    I know, but the topic is limited to Feminists:smile:
    I'm sure there are some on the forum.


    Feminist are not the only good choice to talk about these matters becoz they go the extreme.

    So, are you saying that religion is an opposing factor for women to reach their just rights?

    And do you believe that a movement like Feminism could be the solution for this freedom of mind you're talking about?


    Yes religion is an opposing factor for women, especially in Islam whch is a very restrictive religion (no offense of course, i'm talking in a very objective way). There so many things forbidden that you loose count. and muslim women, as well as christian women whose parents are very conservative, are raised to believe that this is the way things are and ought to be, i.e, they'r brainwashed.
    Feminism may contribute to this freedom of mind, but then again, the real change must occure in education and MENTALITY.


    Why blaming men for watching too much pornography?
    Isn't it obvious that women who accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects'' are tarnishing the image of women in society?
    I blame all people who watch TOO MUCH pornography, men and women. As far as i'm concerned, what you say also applies to men who "accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects''" :msnsmile:, it's exactly the same. But you c, the difference is most people judge porn female stars, not men... and that's one of the aspects of traditionalism and remote mentality.
     

    BOILER

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    #6
    I blame all people who watch TOO MUCH pornography, men and women. As far as i'm concerned, what you say also applies to men who "accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects''" :msnsmile:, it's exactly the same. But you c, the difference is most people judge porn female stars, not men... and that's one of the aspects of traditionalism and remote mentality.
    Do you consider that women pornography is one of the main obstacles facing Feminism movement?
    Do you support the anti-pornography feminists?

    You can talk about men pornography in a different thread.
     
    #7
    Do you consider that women pornography is one of the main obstacles facing Feminism movement?
    Do you support the anti-pornography feminists?

    You can talk about men pornography in a different thread.
    Female pornography is one of the obstacles facing feminism because it is the exact opposite of the absence of freedom. It is total lack of morality and human decency and indeed degrades women by picturing as sexual objects who can submit to all types of perversion (talking about one of the partners of course).
    Yes i do support anti-pornography feminists. The absence of porn will not disrupt the normal course of any person's life (except of course if you'r into that kind of industry) Men used to have fantasies and desires way before all that. I think that their desire was even stronger before they were introduced to porn, becoz they used their imagination more... whereas now, they can see and watch everything. Pornography somehow kills desire. When you see something too much, it looses its value and taste.
     

    Salome

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    #8
    where does inequality reside?
    You are mixing so many things together, maybe this is your intention but from that it wont be geniuine.

    Demanding equal treatment for women or basic human rights has nothing to do with feminists or lesbians, it is a HUMAN right, women are humans too, or?

    For example: same salary for the exact same job regardless of genders

    And to bring pronography into this issue??? It is like it would be typical for a woman to watch porno movies??....they are rather the men
     
    #9
    You are mixing so many things together, maybe this is your intention but from that it wont be geniuine.

    Demanding equal treatment for women or basic human rights has nothing to do with feminists or lesbians, it is a HUMAN right, women are humans too, or?

    For example: same salary for the exact same job regardless of genders
    In Lebanon, in order for women to be acknowledged the same economical rights as men and status at work, etc, mentalities have to evolve... religion is too predominant for this to happen! we're living in an Arab world in which hundreds of thousands of women are not even allowed to work or drive!
    I'm not saying it's totally impossible. In Lebanon, certain important companies acknowledge that and women are treated as equally as men in the business frame, but that's just a minority...
    We are just as worthy as men, sometimes even more, but either you have to convince them, or just make a revolution and kick their asses!! :12:
     

    shadow1

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    #10
    The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

    Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

    Once women make us understand it never ends. They may make us do other things too and that depends.
    What they really want is a little kindness from men, a recognition of their success in every field and all the rewards that come with such thing.

    Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?
    Equality always seems to lead to freedom. That is the bad thing about it.

    Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?
    Yes they do, they do.
    They belong to every movement. You must watch the Lesbians parade, held annually on Venus Day. YOu see banners supporting every fashionable movement.

    What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?
    Well, that depends. Some women are jealous some are disgusted. And some feel it's degrading and somee feel it's a learning experience.
    As to their place in society? I reckon pornography gives women a special place in men's hearts. There may be other places for them but none are as honorable as this one: To be in the hearts of men.
     

    Salome

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    #11
    In Lebanon, in order for women to be acknowledged the same economical rights as men and status at work, etc, mentalities have to evolve... religion is too predominant for this to happen! we're living in an Arab world in which hundreds of thousands of women are not even allowed to work or drive!
    I'm not saying it's totally impossible. In Lebanon, certain important companies acknowledge that and women are treated as equally as men in the business frame, but that's just a minority...
    We are just as worthy as men, sometimes even more, but either you have to convince them, or just make a revolution and kick their asses!! :12:

    Be careful you might appear now too modern and liberal, you might be considered as a lesbian or someone fancying pornography:biggrin:
     
    #12
    Be careful you might appear now too modern and liberal, you might be considered as a lesbian or someone fancying pornography:biggrin:
    hahahaha I am modern and liberal :devil2: !!!! but i've got my own boundaries which i decide of, not set by society...
    a lesbian??? hu2u :devil2: men are too much of an attraction for me :1150:
    and fancying pornography???? how can you say that after everything i'v said in this thread!!!!:1980: loool

    And yes again and again, we're better achievers than men!! they know that and cannot accept it :biggrin: !! that's why they've tried during centuries to keep women on a short leash and to deprive us from our most basic rights!! the 20th century is a revolution for us, we'v gained so much. But at the same time, the sudden freedom acquired by women in western societies (yes a few decades are considered "sudden", as opposed to centuries of "slavery") has made them brainless, because they were drugged by that freedom and used it in the wrong way....
    Also those who demand to be equal to men in society are wrong, because we are different and yet so much better than that. men and women are meant to complete each other, not compete, in order to form a unity. And as long as all basic rights are not acknowledged, there were always be something wrong in this unity.

    Cheers! :angel:
     

    Salome

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    #13
    hahahaha I am modern and liberal :devil2: !!!! but i've got my own boundaries which i decide of, not set by society...
    a lesbian??? hu2u :devil2: men are too much of an attraction for me :1150:
    and fancying pornography???? how can you say that after everything i'v said in this thread!!!!:1980: loool

    And yes again and again, we're better achievers than men!! they know that and cannot accept it :biggrin: !! that's why they've tried during centuries to keep women on a short leash and to deprive us from our most basic rights!! the 20th century is a revolution for us, we'v gained so much. But at the same time, the sudden freedom acquired by women in western societies (yes a few decades are considered "sudden", as opposed to centuries of "slavery") has made them brainless, because they were drugged by that freedom and used it in the wrong way....
    Also those who demand to be equal to men in society are wrong, because we are different and yet so much better than that. men and women are meant to complete each other, not compete, in order to form a unity. And as long as all basic rights are not acknowledged, there were always be something wrong in this unity.

    Cheers! :angel:

    I know, I was just quoting for you Boiler who has some strange ideas about modern women....like if someone is for equal rights (this doesn't mean unisex view of men and women being equal) for women then one appears right away lesbian feminist who watches porno LOOOL

    I wonder if men feel threatened by a world where women are not just sitting at home and cooking, does it cause confusion and uncertainty?
     
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    As to their place in society? I reckon pornography gives women a special place in men's hearts. There may be other places for them but none are as honorable as this one: To be in the hearts of men.


    Oh My God!!!! are you really saying this!!!!!!!!!!!!! :748: :748: :748:
    I hope this is not how you meant it :21:
    Please tell me that watching pornography makes men see the value of honorable women and take them into their hearts!!! :msnsad:
     
    #15

    شيخ يطالب بصلب مخرجة لتشبيهها الحجاب بالمايوه


    طالب الشيخ فرحات المنجي وهو أحد علماء الأزهر الشريف بصلب المخرجة إيناس الدغيدي وقطع يدها وقدمها بعد أن شبّهت الحجاب في الحج بـ"المايوه". وأكد بحسب جريدة "وشوشة" أن الدغيدي تتّخذ من الشيطان قدوةً لها، وأصبح من المعروف أنها من المحاربين لله ورسوله، لذا وجب إقامة عليها وعلى غيرها من أصحاب الآراء المتخلفة والمنتمية لجهات مشبوهة الحد بالصلب وقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم.

    وقال: "إيناس الدغيدي ينطبق عليها قول رسولنا الكريم صلى لله عليه وسلم "إن لم تستحِ فافعل ما شئت"، وهي من الذين يتطاولون على الدين، وهؤلاء الناس هم أذل من العبيد، وإن كانت ذهبت إلى الحج وتعتقد أنها ستأخذ ثواباً على هذه الفريضة فهي تضحك على نفسها".

    ولام فرحات المنجي وسائل الإعلام بأنهم وراء شهرة الدغيدي وذيع صيتها بإتاحة الفرصة لها للحديث عن آرائها المتخلفة، متعجباً بشدة في الوقت ذاته من الحرية التي تطالب بها الدغيدي وهي التي تطالب بترخيص بيوت الدعارة في مصر.

    يُذكر أن المحامي نبيه الوحش تقدّم العام الماضي ببلاغ إلى النائب العام يطالب فيه بالتفريق بين إيناس الدغيدي وزوجها لخروجها عن الدين الإسلامي، ومطالبتها بترخيص بيوت الدعارة في مصر، مستنداً في بلاغه بتكفير الدغيدي إلى فتوى رسمية أصدرها مفتي مصر الأسبق الدكتور نصر فريد واصل.

    Look at what we have to fight against!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: And it's the 21st century!!! :mad:
     

    Xena

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    #16
    What are you all talking about? I thought that the article 2 of the universal declaration of human rights states the equality of sexes... was there reforms i m not aware of?

    has made them brainless, because they were drugged by that freedom and used it in the wrong way....
    Can you please elaborate?

    I don't know, theoretically speaking there is no such thing as inequality of the sexes but maybe some women face injustice? i don't know...

    but one thing i know is that some women (mostly feminists) are so obsessed by this so called equality that they become castrating!... Let the man be a man! now seriously speaking, i love a dominating man... maybe i have insecurity issues rooting back to my childhood or whatever, you can call it all you want but I can never be with a man who can't dominate me! now don't get me wrong i m not talking about a macho man who will force me to be someone i m not or to deprive me of my freedom, not at all! I don't know it's this male imposing character yet so respectful and caring that i adore, and that feminists are destroying!

    On a side note, I was watching TV the other day, and there was this show where people come and talk about their problems blabla, and that day it was about infidelities.. there was this woman who was talking about how she discovered that her husband was cheating on her and how she saw him with another woman..etc.. and then another participant asks her how she reacted when she saw them and she was like, did you hit him? because if it was me i would have hit him so hard!...and so the first woman says that no that she doesnt like to make scenes in public and then the discussion continues normally.... now imagine if it was a man who was asking another man on TV if he hit his wife and that if it was him he would have hit her so hard...and then the other guy says no because i dont want to make a scene! ... that would be outrageous right?.... It makes you wonder about equality no?:rolleyes:

    aiii aiii how many time did i hear the sentence that all men use now... " you want equality of the sexes?... help with those heavy bags!" ....
     

    Salome

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    #17
    What are you all talking about?
    I guess everybody is talking about something different:D


    Just because that we have a UN Declaration, it wont make these rights implemented in all countries, some countries just refuse it/ignore it or doesn't consider it as their value.


    Things get mixed up here quite nicely. Equality (at least in a sense what I am talking about) is not about erasing gender differences personality wise or physically or appearance or behaviour etc...BUT about granting the same social/political rights. Salary, participation, voting etc.........now advocating for such (basic) rights does that make one look like a lesbian feminist??


    ps: about your example, woman hitting a man prooves how low level and disrespectful she is, however a man hitting a woman prooves the same except that men tend to be stronger usually therefore sometimes the woman ends up dead or heavily abused
     
    #18
    What are you all talking about? I thought that the article 2 of the universal declaration of human rights states the equality of sexes... was there reforms i m not aware of?

    Can you please elaborate?

    I don't know, theoretically speaking there is no such thing as inequality of the sexes but maybe some women face injustice? i don't know...

    but one thing i know is that some women (mostly feminists) are so obsessed by this so called equality that they become castrating!... Let the man be a man! now seriously speaking, i love a dominating man... maybe i have insecurity issues rooting back to my childhood or whatever, you can call it all you want but I can never be with a man who can't dominate me! now don't get me wrong i m not talking about a macho man who will force me to be someone i m not or to deprive me of my freedom, not at all! I don't know it's this male imposing character yet so respectful and caring that i adore, and that feminists are destroying!

    On a side note, I was watching TV the other day, and there was this show where people come and talk about their problems blabla, and that day it was about infidelities.. there was this woman who was talking about how she discovered that her husband was cheating on her and how she saw him with another woman..etc.. and then another participant asks her how she reacted when she saw them and she was like, did you hit him? because if it was me i would have hit him so hard!...and so the first woman says that no that she doesnt like to make scenes in public and then the discussion continues normally.... now imagine if it was a man who was asking another man on TV if he hit his wife and that if it was him he would have hit her so hard...and then the other guy says no because i dont want to make a scene! ... that would be outrageous right?.... It makes you wonder about equality no?:rolleyes:

    aiii aiii how many time did i hear the sentence that all men use now... " you want equality of the sexes?... help with those heavy bags!" ....
    It seems i didn't explain correctly, i never called for equality, but for human rights... it seems you didn't read my previous post:
    "Also those who demand to be equal to men in society are wrong, because we are different and yet so much better than that. men and women are meant to complete each other, not compete, in order to form a unity. And as long as all basic rights are not acknowledged, there were always be something wrong in this unity."
    I like a dominating man too, and no i'm not a feminist...
    But what i mean by "they used their freedom the wrong way", is that they lost balance. Being newly given this freedom, they forgot how to be wives, mothers, everything, and that's why families are not holding on in Europe, because women became so free and craving so much to live like men that they forget the important role they have. A woman is the person who holds a family together. A woman can raise children and work and take care of the house all by herself... how many men can do that???
     

    BOILER

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    #19
    Well I agree with what's being said by orange angel and Xena(especially with Xena), but Salome is flying in a different planet.

    Where did you see me labeling women who are asking for some rights as lesbians?

    I was asking if lesbian groups support feminism that's all.

    And Orange angel, are you talikng about Lebanon?

    Tell me then what are these feminist groups doing in Sweden?

    Political parties?

    Do they have social isuues there?
    I don't think so.
     

    Dalzi

    Legendary Member
    #20
    Men and women are meant to complete each other, not to fight over who is what and who does what. Feminists need to realize that they can't grow balls.

    I don't know, theoretically speaking there is no such thing as inequality of the sexes but maybe some women face injustice? i don't know...

    but one thing i know is that some women (mostly feminists) are so obsessed by this so called equality that they become castrating!... Let the man be a man! now seriously speaking, i love a dominating man... maybe i have insecurity issues rooting back to my childhood or whatever, you can call it all you want but I can never be with a man who can't dominate me! now don't get me wrong i m not talking about a macho man who will force me to be someone i m not or to deprive me of my freedom, not at all! I don't know it's this male imposing character yet so respectful and caring that i adore, and that feminists are destroying!
    You favouring a dominant man is natural femininity Xena, not insecurity; those who like to dominate men are the ones who have serious issues.
     
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