Forest fires spreading in Lebanon

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  • Isabella

    Isabella

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    It’s the job of the minister of defense to provide the budget instead of cutting it down at each occasion
    He should be the one to be taken accountable

    he lowered food rations per soldier to 3000 ll per day
    Taxed their pensions
    And barely provided their salaries

    pathetic
    What's the excuse from 2013? The planes were bought in 2009, maintenance was prepaid for 3 years. The budget was cut this year, how are you blaming the current minister of defense for this?
     
    Resign

    Resign

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    What's the excuse from 2013? The planes were bought in 2009, maintenance was prepaid for 3 years. The budget was cut this year, how are you blaming the current minister of defense for this?
    why were you blaming the current minister of interior for this ?

    anyway
    The planes were grounded since 2015
    It is the responsibility of every minister since then until today.
     
    ّTelefon Kasse

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    why were you blaming the current minister of interior for this ?

    anyway
    The planes were grounded since 2015
    It is the responsibility of every minister since then until today.
    la2 haydol lezem eykouno teb3een la wizaret el dekhliyeh mish wizaret el defe3
     
    epedep

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    I knew it! A gang of Syrian and Shia thugs are the responsible for the fire. I won't even be surprised if Hezbollah is involved in this. They specifically chose the Shouf because 1. It's a Druze and Christian land (whom they hate), 2. It's a PSP and LF stronghold. They are trying to intimidate us and teach us a 'lesson'.
    And what type of Syrians? Definitely MUXAABARAAT OR ŠABII7A THUGS and not refugees. The fire was mix of a result of this and climate change-related heatwaves
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    why were you blaming the current minister of interior for this ?

    anyway
    The planes were grounded since 2015
    It is the responsibility of every minister since then until today.
    I wasn't, I relayed what she said and commented on it. She said they're scrap and not worth maintaining I said they're scrap because they weren't maintained.
     
    ّTelefon Kasse

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    mish 3ala 2ases min shi kam yom kenet wizaret el so7a 3amleh mounawara la mouwejahet houjoum kimeweh nawaweh biologeh ma la7 eyseer abadan ?! ... keep hay el 7oukoumeh edra twejeeh hek houjoum bass mish 2edra etaffeh 7ari2a ? ... yallah khaleh el 7oukoumeh tjeweb 3ala hal masra7ieh
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    why were you blaming the current minister of interior for this ?

    anyway
    The planes were grounded since 2015
    It is the responsibility of every minister since then until today.
    Why not blame her, she has the current post and has done nothing either about this. I blame her and Hariri for this more than I blame FPM.
    bas khallini 2ellak iza baddak ma3lesh halla2tneyye 2enno I blame FPM for making even fires sectarian, but that's another story :)
     
    Iron Maiden

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    An Army source said although Army pilots flew them, the helicopters are owned by the Interior Ministry.
    "And the Ministry of Interior and Municipalities didn't fund the appropriate amount for their maintenance," he said. "This is it – this is why they are not working."
    dear @Resign for your beautiful eyes to read
     
    Iron Maiden

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    Why not blame her, she has the current post and has done nothing either about this. I blame her and Hariri for this more than I blame FPM.
    bas khallini 2ellak iza baddak ma3lesh halla2tneyye 2enno I blame FPM for making even fires sectarian, but that's another story :)
    fpmers were the first people to bash that idiot for his comments
     
    Resign

    Resign

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    dear @Resign for your beautiful eyes to read
    Fair enough
    Even though you quoted something without a source which is against a rule you yourself created and enforced

    Meche l 7al

    The culprit is in government and not anywhere else
    And they need to be held accountable and punished for neglecting.
    Make that happen
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    Fair enough
    Even though you quoted something without a source which is against a rule you yourself created and enforced

    Meche l 7al

    The culprit is in government and not anywhere else
    And they need to be held accountable and punished for neglecting.
    Make that happen
    Rayya El Hassan was obstructed by FPM and everybody (3ar2alouwa so she couldn't do anything) ?
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Fair enough
    Even though you quoted something without a source which is against a rule you yourself created and enforced

    Meche l 7al

    The culprit is in government and not anywhere else
    And they need to be held accountable and punished for neglecting.
    Make that happen
    u’re right i shiukd hav posted the source,
    taken from the daily star article @Aoune32! posted just earlier
    check here
    BEIRUT: In the wake of devastating wildfires in Chouf, Aley and Metn, citizens and officials are questioning why three firefighting helicopters purchased for Lebanon in 2009 have been unmaintained and out of service for years.
    President Michel Aoun on Tuesday called for an investigation into "the reasons that led the Sikorsky helicopters to stop operating years ago and to determine responsibility."
    Former Interior Minister Ziad Baroud, who was in office when the helicopters were donated, also called for an investigation into the matter and told The Daily Star that the fires should be a wake-up call for the government to better equip Civil Defense operations.






    In 2009, the helicopters were purchased and donated to the government of Lebanon after a coalition of citizens raised about $15 million, Baroud said. The helicopters cost about $13.9 million, Baroud said, and the remaining funding that had been raised was donated to the Army. The Army was put in charge of the helicopters because the Civil Defense does not have pilots, he said.
    From 2009 to 2012, the helicopters were used "very efficiently" in fighting multiple fires, Baroud said.
    "Starting in 2013 – at the time I was not in office any more – I know that we started having problems with the maintenance of the helicopters," he said. "Starting in 2013, only one helicopter was still functional, and the reason [given for] that was, each time, 'We don’t have money for the maintenance.'"
    But, he added, "In my opinion, maintenance is not significant compared to the cost of the fires that we’re having. It’s nothing compared to what we are witnessing now."
    Baroud said he does not fault the Army for the issue, because they were not given the funding to maintain the aircraft. He said an investigation should be done to determine why the funding was withheld.


    An Army source said although Army pilots flew them, the helicopters are owned by the Interior Ministry.
    "And the Ministry of Interior and Municipalities didn't fund the appropriate amount for their maintenance," he said. "This is it – this is why they are not working."
    A spokeswoman for current Interior Minister Raya El Hassan told The Daily Star, "The country is in a deficit. There is no money in the treasury – there is no money to do maintenance." She noted that the funding issue went back years, predating Hassan's term.
    A Parliamentary National Defense, Interior and Municipalities Committee report on forest fires published in 2017 included a recommendation that the Finance Ministry secure funding for the helicopters’ maintenance, which the report placed at $600,000 per year.
    According to that report, the Defense Ministry had requested on June 18, 2016, that the Finance Ministry provide $5.2 million in funding for the helicopters, but had not received a response.
    A report by the LBCI television station quoted a military source who questioned the suitability of the Sikorsky helicopters for Lebanon's mountainous terrain.
    Baroud said that regardless, the helicopters should not have been left idle.
    "If they are no good, let’s sell them, let’s replace them. And if they are good, let’s do the maintenance," he said. "They cannot stay at the airport – this is really ridiculous, and people who donated back in 2008, 2009, they should have answers. We all as citizens should have answers: What went wrong? Why are these helicopters not functional?"
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Rayya El Hassan was obstructed by FPM and everybody (3ar2alouwa so she couldn't do anything) ?
    @SeaAb in coordination with an R-rated diversion by @Apostate around her security team, slashed her tires so she’d miss that meeting abt the choppers
     
    ّTelefon Kasse

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    But really @SeaAb , didn't you wonder why it had to rain yesterday?

    I checked my weather forecast on my phone and no rain was forecasted. Up to the moment it was lightening in Beirut last night, I checked and still no sign of rain forecasted. Recalling from last year, the first rain fell on the last week of October. Why did rain have to fall, without forecast, on the very day Lebanon was on fire?
    Li2ano hayda jabal kamal zomblat

     
    SeaAb

    SeaAb

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    But really @SeaAb , didn't you wonder why it had to rain yesterday?

    I checked my weather forecast on my phone and no rain was forecasted. Up to the moment it was lightening in Beirut last night, I checked and still no sign of rain forecasted. Recalling from last year, the first rain fell on the last week of October. Why did rain have to fall, without forecast, on the very day Lebanon was on fire?
    It all makes sense now. :cigar:
     
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