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FPM for Lebanon's neutrality

HannaTheCrusader

HannaTheCrusader

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Le CPL approuve la neutralisation du Liban au niveau des conflits régionaux, affirme Alain Aoun - Lebanon news - www.elnashra.com

What do you think about the neutralization of Lebanon?

FPM is calling for neutrality.
Liberty Front is calling for positive and permanent neutrality with international guarantee with Lebanon with the arabs when they agree and neutral when they disagree.
Kataeb Party is only calling for positive neutrality but in the framework of Taef...
Lebanese Forces Party is against neutrality.

no neutrality in the face of

1-crooks
2-thieves
3-murderers
4-genociders
5-sectraians
6-wahhabis
with these people neutrality is like being an accomplice .

with the rest we can be neutral with.
 
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    Salome

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    Switzerland is neutral but it is member of the UN and of EFTA. What is the problem with neutral Lebanon member of the UN and of the Arab League?
    Nothing wrong with being member of UN and the Arab League, but this in itself will not bring neutrality, neither are they guarantees for neutrality.

    In fact I dont see any guarantees for Lebanon's neutrality.
    In whose interest is that anyway?
     
    Bejin

    Bejin

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    Nothing wrong with being member of UN and the Arab League, but this in itself will not bring neutrality, neither are they guarantees for neutrality.

    In fact I dont see any guarantees for Lebanon's neutrality.
    In whose interest is that anyway?
    That's why the Liberty Front is calling for an international guarantee to Lebanon's positive and permanent neutrality.
     
    elias-aj

    elias-aj

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    Le CPL approuve la neutralisation du Liban au niveau des conflits régionaux, affirme Alain Aoun - Lebanon news - www.elnashra.com

    What do you think about the neutralization of Lebanon?

    FPM is calling for neutrality.
    Liberty Front is calling for positive and permanent neutrality with international guarantee with Lebanon with the arabs when they agree and neutral when they disagree.
    Kataeb Party is only calling for positive neutrality but in the framework of Taef...
    Lebanese Forces Party is against neutrality.
    It's quite a complex subject which deserves hours of discussion.

    In my opinion, Lebanon's neutralization may help us work on the definition of the lebanese identity and on the building of a lebanese nation, hence put eventually an end to communautarism.

    The implementation of a positive neutrality remains hard to achieve though.

    First of all, because I don't believe that we'll be granted with an international guarantee. And for many reasons (globalization, water resources ...).

    Minimum requirements are to settle the issues which exist between our country and its "intrusive" neighbors.

    Secondly, I don't trust the majority of the lebanese political figures. Even if we succeed in implementing neutrality - at least between us, with or without international guarantee -, there will always be political figures who will sell themselves to foreign powers. So, the questions are, what will the lebanese do with this neutrality and what would be their reactions towards people who will question this neutrality ?

    I'm not certain that all the lebanese learned from the past mistakes and understood that our failure was due to our inability to make use of the "double négation" period to work on the definition of our identity.

    Anyway, I think that we have to support the neutralization of our country in order for us to move forward.
     
    Bejin

    Bejin

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    Geagea has outlined the fundamentals of his proposed defense strategy in a live interview with Sahar Khatib on Future news. He based his defense strategy on the following analogy:"During World War 2, France had a much stronger military than Switzerland, yet France was occupied while Switzerland was spared, suggesting Lebanon adopt neutrality as its defense strategy."

    First, to implement neutrality, Lebanon must go out of Taef.

    Second,

    1) swiss neutrality is inapplicable because it means isolationism and the arabs reject isolationism, that's why we say: Lebanon will take the Arabs side when they get along and will stay on the touch-lines when they disagree. Plus, On 7 June 1950, a Treaty of Joint Defense and Economic Cooperation was concluded between the states of the Arab League

    2) swiss neutrality is inapplicable because it is not linked to an international guarantee like it was the case for Austria... International guarantee is absolutely needed for Lebanon to be respected by its neighbors

    3) swiss neutrality has been applied through the Lebanese negative neutrality at the time of the 1943 formula... It failed... That's why we propose the positive neutrality: this means this neutrality wouldn't be a withdrawal into itself, but as while retaining a civilizing mind of openness to the world, a protection against the winds and the storms coming from the outside
     
    shadow1

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    24th April 2007
    L'orient le jour: Michel HAJJI GEORGIOU
    Interview with General Michel Aoun
    "Les chrétiens profondément et intrinsèquement attachés à l’entité libanaise ont un rôle majeur à jouer dans la neutralité du Liban par rapport aux démarcations régionales et dans la refondation d’un projet libanais dans lequel toutes les factions libanaises trouveraient leur intérêt et leurs aspirations au-delà de toute tentation régionale."
    The great thing about Aoun is that if you dont like where he stands about something, wait few months.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    The great thing about Aoun is that if you dont like where he stands about something, wait few months.
    leish who told you the president is against Lebanon neutrality for you to make such a statement?
    enough with the silly jokes.
     
    shadow1

    shadow1

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    really? maybe you should explain with specific examples. we do not all possess your keen sight and perception here.
    No need for your sarcasm here. And you are insightful enough to see the camp the president sides with goes against neutrality. You can argue he is powerless but that doesnt cut it.
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    No need for your sarcasm here. And you are insightful enough to see the camp the president sides with goes against neutrality. You can argue he is powerless but that doesnt cut it.
    3a asses the other side don't take orders from foreign countries...

    Wein 3eyesh?
     
    Resign

    Resign

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    3a asses the other side don't take orders from foreign countries...

    Wein 3eyesh?
    3awneh nkeyeh bel other side
    @WiseCookie was right

    I’m right aswell been saying it for years.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    No need for your sarcasm here. And you are insightful enough to see the camp the president sides with goes against neutrality. You can argue he is powerless but that doesnt cut it.
    but there is a need for yours eh?

    neutrality currently is treated by most like a weapon, fired from one camp and directed to the other. this is not neutrality, hayde tasfiyet hsebet.

    here are the facts, the president is the biggest if not the only proponents of Lebanon's true and positive neutrality, both in his actions and in speech, the same goes true for FPM.

    just stop driving unfounded accusations just to nag and mock the president, he really is a good man, probably the only good man on the Lebanese political scene.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    leish who told you the president is against Lebanon neutrality for you to make such a statement?
    enough with the silly jokes.
    The problem is that they, who are championing the call for neutrality today for whatever motives, dont understand the concept of neutrality. If the UNSC can solve the Palestinian refugee crisis and have all our lands liberated and protect and defend us entirely, I am for neutrality. How can we be neutral when we host hundreds of thousands of refugees and at a point 1/3 of our population was made up of refugees. The problem is not in adopting or wanting a neutral Lebanon. The problem is whether or not our neighbors and the world would defend and protect us and accept and support our neutrality when adopted.
     
    Joe tayyar

    Joe tayyar

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    3awneh nkeyeh bel other side
    @WiseCookie was right

    I’m right aswell been saying it for years.
    No, not really! A Aouneh till noe is saying Im a Aouneh 3a ras el sate7, while the others like LF kateib FM and PSP were hiding behind the so called thawra and were shy to say who they are!
    While the others who left Aoun, joined the other side nkeyeh bi Aoun!
     
    Elvis left the building

    Elvis left the building

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    No, not really! A Aouneh till noe is saying Im a Aouneh 3a ras el sate7, while the others like LF kateib FM and PSP were hiding behind the so called thawra and were shy to say who they are!
    While the others who left Aoun, joined the other side nkeyeh bi Aoun!
    i know an army of ppl who stopped supporting fpm but didnt go to any other side

    fpm simply left them

    wake up before its too late
     
    elias-aj

    elias-aj

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    No need for your sarcasm here. And you are insightful enough to see the camp the president sides with goes against neutrality. You can argue he is powerless but that doesnt cut it.
    Shadow, you’re too smart to really believe that things are this simple. To implement any item on your political agenda, you need to work on creating the conditions required for this implementation.

    The conditions were met in appearance when FPM managed to have a sort of understanding with FM and Saad Hariri. So the two camps : Iran / KSA and the « west ». Neither was interested in some kind of neutrality and as a consequence, no neutrality.

    I don’t think that PMA or FPM did change, in a significant way, their stance on neutrality. You just can’t impose it to people rejecting it.
     
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