FPM reality post SHN 26/05/2020 speech

loubnaniTO

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Staff member
Super Penguin
Today we wake up on a new political reality after the public admission of HA that there will be no true corruption fight effort from their part because basically they dont give a rat’s ass abt anything if it interferes with the chiite union peace or their fight against israel.

Once again FPM finds itself on the backfoot, completely isolated in this mess and needs to confront this new political reality, the IMF negotiations are going down the drain with the lebanese delegation’s infighting and contradicting numbers(sabotage?), judicial system so afraid to take any actions that every
file becomes quagmired while politicians hide the culprits.

PMA and FPM need to address this new reality and stop hiding behind their fingers. New solutions need to be thought out, a clear push towards complete decentralization and fiscal independence must be made public, a clear overhaul of the juidicial system must be undertaken along a rigorous purge of the old guard and ball-less judges.

FPM has been acting in a very sheepishly manner for the past several years, not sure if it believed that's the only way to find solutions without rubbing shoulders with others, or they believed that's how they get to power and make the changes they aspire for, or what.
It was a bit naive, especially when you are only dealing with crooks.
They might have hoped that with the help of HA , one day they will get there.
But even that was naive, i remember MANY years ago when Bassil said there is no resistance without fighting corruption... well taht was MANY years ago. We should've known since then that there is no hope.

It seems today, this disappointment has been solidified.

Well, the FPM needs to figure out where to go next, knowing that now there is NO ONE locally willing to meet them at least half way.
If they really care about principals and values, and NOT chairs... choices will have to be made.
 

L'arbalette

Well-Known Member
I kept telling you people to talk to Trump. But all you did was laugh at me, and now look at the mess you’re in.

If I were Michelle Aoun, I’d phone up Mr. Trump immediately and tell him that Lebanon is greatly in need of assistance. Believe me, you’ll see millions of dollar bills being tossed out of F-16s and falling on Lebanese ground.
You do realize that an F-16 can't really carry that many $$ bills? Plus, at the speed it will be flying, most will end up landing in the sea or in Syria / Israel if they do
 

Robin Hood

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Orange Room Supporter
You can't fight corruption when you have well-armed militias backed by the majority if your country's population.

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SoFP1

The Chosen One
Orange Room Supporter
FPM has been acting in a very sheepishly manner for the past several years, not sure if it believed that's the only way to find solutions without rubbing shoulders with others, or they believed that's how they get to power and make the changes they aspire for, or what.
It was a bit naive, especially when you are only dealing with crooks.
They might have hoped that with the help of HA , one day they will get there.
But even that was naive, i remember MANY years ago when Bassil said there is no resistance without fighting corruption... well taht was MANY years ago. We should've known since then that there is no hope.

It seems today, this disappointment has been solidified.

Well, the FPM needs to figure out where to go next, knowing that now there is NO ONE locally willing to meet them at least half way.
If they really care about principals and values, and NOT chairs... choices will have to be made.
Are you saying you think HA is not fighting corruption? Meaning, they are corrupted themselves?
YOU ARE A ZIONIST TRAITOR!

Saving Rafidi some time to concentrate on other posts :cigar:
 

Qandahar

Legendary Member
Today we wake up on a new political reality after the public admission of HA that there will be no true corruption fight effort from their part because basically they dont give a rat’s ass abt anything if it interferes with the chiite union peace or their fight against israel.

Once again FPM finds itself on the backfoot, completely isolated in this mess and needs to confront this new political reality, the IMF negotiations are going down the drain with the lebanese delegation’s infighting and contradicting numbers(sabotage?), judicial system so afraid to take any actions that every
file becomes quagmired while politicians hide the culprits.

PMA and FPM need to address this new reality and stop hiding behind their fingers. New solutions need to be thought out, a clear push towards complete decentralization and fiscal independence must be made public, a clear overhaul of the juidicial system must be undertaken along a rigorous purge of the old guard and ball-less judges.

wahahaha you can't be serious!!
Please lets stop talking like the 3awni movement can't sleep the nights because of how much they want to fight corruption!

The fun part of all this that there are truly some 3awni who believe this crap well apparently some of them are getting little of their human senses back just read what Shirley had to say about all this fighting corruption BS she is menkon w fikon.

And @Iron Maiden I truly thought you being little smarter than this but you fell for their trap so easily didn't take you more than a week to fall in it.. they are playing with you like a little doll at one moment they make you believe that Hezbollah are the awedim and on another they would strongly convince you that these fors are nothing but foreign tool! All the media stunt from Aswad w jerrr are not innocent!

So my advice to you is stop allowing them playing with your mind like this... seriously :lol:
 

Qandahar

Legendary Member
haydi menkon w fikon saying this... mana la da3ashiyeh aw men jame3it wilayat al faqih :cat:

@Iron Maiden


شيرلي المر تنتقد "العهد": لا يمكن أن تكون القوي وتقول "ما خلّوني"
27-05-2020 | 18:51

جرّت الإعلامية شيرلي المر الكثير من المواقف السياسية، بعد غيابها عن الساحتين الإعلامية والسياسية لفترة طويلة، وخلافها مع التيار الوطني الحر، معتبرة أنّ فتح الملفات استنسابياً ولتصفية حسابات سياسية ليس إصلاحاً بل عراضات إعلامية وابتزازا سياسيا، مؤكدة أنّ ملف الفيول المغشوش فُتح من أجل "تصفية حسابات سياسية وليس للمحاسبة الجدية والدليل أنه تم تجديد العقد في مجلس الوزراء وتم تظهير الاتهامات على أنها مجرّد تلاعب في دوام العمل والمعلومات المتاحة تعتمد على التسريبات الإعلامية وعلى ما يبدو سيتم حفظ الملف وهذا معيب".

وعن موضوع محاولة إقالة حاكم مصرف لبنان رياض سلامة، قالت المر في مقابلة مع "ـnabad.tv": "ما جرى في موضوع محاولة إقالة سلامة هو نفسه ما جرى عند التمديد له. قوى سياسية أثبتت أن تعاطيها مع المواقع ومع المسؤولية هو رهن اتفاقات ظرفية. عندما تم التمديد للحاكم كانت خاضعة وعندما أرادت جعله محرقة بقيت خاضعة وعاجزة. رئيس الجمهورية طرح الموضوع في الدقائق الأخيرة من جلسة مجلس الوزراء عام 2017 وفريقه السياسي وافق على التجديد. لا يمكن إقناع الناس بأن كل أفعالك أنت مجبر عليها وتقوم بها تحت ضغط القوى السياسية الأخرى وفي الوقت نفسه تريد إقناعهم بأنهم يعيشون في ظل العهد القوي. القوي لا يرضخ لرغبات الآخرين. القوي يفرض إرادته. والمطلوب اليوم وضع خطة إصلاح جدية، البدء بالمحاسبة الفعلية والجدية، العمل جدياً على استرجاع الأموال المنهوبة، تفعيل دور الهيئات الرقابية، دعم إستقلالية القضاء بدل عرقلة التشكيلات الخ...".



ولدى سؤالها ما إذا كانت قد إنقلبت على "العونية"، اجابت: " على العكس هذا يؤكد أني كنت وما زلت على نفس الموقف وأؤمن بنفس المبادئ. أنا لم أتغيّر لكني وضعت ثقتي في الشخص الخطأ. وللأسف خذلني كما خذل كثيرين. ربما لا يجرؤ الآخرون على البوح بما أقول أو يفضلون تحييد الشخص ورمي المسؤولية على محيطه أو على الظروف، ومن يعرفني جيداً يعلم أني كنت لا أخفي امتعاضي وانتقادي لهذا الأداء الذي لا يشبه نضالنا مذ كنت على شاشة التلفزيون وقلته اكثر من مرة للمعنيين به مباشرة ولا أخفي ذلك".
وعن تقييمها لأداء العهد اليوم، قالت: "الأخطر من سرقة الأموال هي سرقة نضال الناس وأحلامهم وسنوات عمرهم التي ضحوا بها إيماناً منهم بأن التغيير آتٍ. نحن نعيش في زمن تبرير الإخفاقات بدل عد الإنجازات.


لا يمكن أن تقول للناس يستطيع العالم أن يسحقني لكن لن يأخذ توقيعي وتوقّع مراسيم تجنيس.


لا يمكن أن تقول للناس الوجود خارج إطار الحرية هو شكل من أشكال الموت وتقمع حرية التعبير وكلما عبّر أحد عن رأيه تستدعيه للتحقيق.


لا يمكن أن تقول للناس الذي يشارك فاسدين يكون فاسداً مثلهم ثم تتشارك الحكم مع كل الذين كنت تتهمهم بالفساد .. لا يمكن أن تكون القوي وتقول "ما خلوني" و "كنت مجبور وافق"، "بالآخر الحكم هيبة مش تشريفات".


وأضافت: "عتبي الأكبر هو على الجهة التي اعتقدتُ أنها تعبر عن مبادئي وقناعاتي. الآخرون لم ينادوا بالتغيير والإصلاح ولم يدعوا العفة يوماً لذلك كنا على خصومة معهم، أما الذي رفع هذه الشعارات ماذا حقق منها؟ لا شيء. بل خذلنا وانضم الى نادي الذين كان يتهمهم بالفساد. أنا لست من الذميين عندما أرى الخطأ أجاهر برأيي ولا أحب صمت الضعفاء".


وفي معرض تعليقها على حكومة الرئيس حسان دياب قالت: " أنا كنت واثقة منذ اللحظة الأولى أن حكومة باهتة بقناع الاستقلالية، لن تستطيع فعل شيء وها هي الأيام تثبت ذلك بالرغم من الخطابات الفارغة ومحاولة ابتداع انجازات وهمية. هل تعتقد أن حكومة ظرفية من هذا النوع يمكنها أن تكون المنقذ في هذه المرحلة! وهل تعتقد أن تغيير الوجوه مع المحافظة على الولاءات والإنتماءات يمكن أن يغيّر الأداء! والدليل أن معظم الوزارات تعمل كشبه تصريف أعمال، لا إنجازات ولا خطط ولا حتى إدراك للواقع باستثناء وزارة الصحة لنكن منصفين بتعاطيها مع كورونا.
وتابعت: "رئيس الحكومة يعتبر محافظ العاصمة كأنه فرد من طاقم عمله ويتصرف مع الموقع على أنه ملكية خاصة لدرجة أنه اعتبر أنه "لا يقبل الإنكسار" إذا لم يتم تعيين مستشارته. هل هذا هو الإصلاح؟ هل هذه هي آلية تعيين الأكفأ والمستحق التي يعتمدها رئيس الحكومة؟ هذا مثال على كيفية تعاطي رئيس الوزراء مع التعيينات. كيف يمكن أن نثق أنه سيحقق الإصلاح! لكن لا بد من استخلاص عبرة من هذا الملف أيضاً وهي أن كثرة التعنت تجعل صاحبها عرضة للإنكسار المتكرر وتفقده هيبته. فمن أوجدته الصدفة لا يجب أن يعتمد عليها في كل الظروف. قد تخذله!".
 

Qandahar

Legendary Member
جبران باسيل يهدّد بالانسحاب من الحكومة في حال عدم تمرير مشروع “سلعاتا”!



LOOOL is this news true???? :lol:

w lalaalaaa laaa.. shat2tilek ya sil3ataaa mahma teb3dnii droub..
 

Sayyid Jewry

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
FPM has been acting in a very sheepishly manner for the past several years, not sure if it believed that's the only way to find solutions without rubbing shoulders with others, or they believed that's how they get to power and make the changes they aspire for, or what.
It was a bit naive, especially when you are only dealing with crooks.
They might have hoped that with the help of HA , one day they will get there.
But even that was naive, i remember MANY years ago when Bassil said there is no resistance without fighting corruption... well taht was MANY years ago. We should've known since then that there is no hope.

It seems today, this disappointment has been solidified.

Well, the FPM needs to figure out where to go next, knowing that now there is NO ONE locally willing to meet them at least half way.
If they really care about principals and values, and NOT chairs... choices will have to be made.

Bassil shamem ri7ita lal korsi my dawg (atm reeks of sanni)... there will be no "choices" made.
 

Qandahar

Legendary Member
...aaaand the price goooo for this 3awniyeh whoever she is loooool

a7llaaa shiiii el yiiiihhhhhh te3ita sounds like a very convinced 3awniyeh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
FPM has been acting in a very sheepishly manner for the past several years, not sure if it believed that's the only way to find solutions without rubbing shoulders with others, or they believed that's how they get to power and make the changes they aspire for, or what.
It was a bit naive, especially when you are only dealing with crooks.
They might have hoped that with the help of HA , one day they will get there.
But even that was naive, i remember MANY years ago when Bassil said there is no resistance without fighting corruption... well taht was MANY years ago. We should've known since then that there is no hope.

It seems today, this disappointment has been solidified.

Well, the FPM needs to figure out where to go next, knowing that now there is NO ONE locally willing to meet them at least half way.
If they really care about principals and values, and NOT chairs... choices will have to be made.

The FPM has about 20 MPs? The Strong Lebanon bloc has about 30 MPs? Out of 128 MPs.

To FPMers only them are fighting corruption and are saintly. Only their 30 MPs out of 128 are clean. Do you really think you belong to this country with such heavenly mentality? I think you guys should convert to Jehovah's Witnesses, since they view all as evil and they dont do politics. Join them and start preparing for the "second coming" and heavenly life. The stress of a corrupt Lebanon wont be good for your health.

If about 80% of Lebanese are voting for corrupt people and only about 20% are voting for the saintly FPM, what would you be able to achieve? You either have to become corrupt yourselves or you have to start trying to convince others to stop being corrupt by "preaching" and asking others to "repent for the kingdom of God is at hand". Otherwise, you wont achieve anything. And you have no trust in your ally. Your ally must abandon all it's other allies, its other priorities, and it's own methodology for your sake. Your ally must follow you and do exactly as it pleases you or else, they dont want to fight corruption like you do. It's either your way or the highway. This is the mentality of many FPMers here. It reminds me of the passage in the Bible where Jesus asked his would be disciples to abandon everything else and follow him. Maybe we are missing something here that you guys would love to explain to us.

I really dont understand how you claim to fight corruption, but you see nothing wrong in making up false claims and attributing them to a man in a particular interview and opening a thread on false claims to fight your imaginary battles and shoot yourselves on the foot. Isnt that corruption @Iron Maiden ?
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
جبران باسيل يهدّد بالانسحاب من الحكومة في حال عدم تمرير مشروع “سلعاتا”!



LOOOL is this news true???? :lol:

w lalaalaaa laaa.. shat2tilek ya sil3ataaa mahma teb3dnii droub..

This is so wrong. Using threats and blackmailing tactics. The more reason this project should be made to fail and not approved. Even if the project is so amazing and I may have nothing against it, using threats and blackmailing tactics aimed at cowing others is wrong and should not be allowed to succeed.
 

Qandahar

Legendary Member
will the son in law dare to flip flop back to this and the way 3amou used to do? :rolleyes:

And we used to say jumblat is 7irbyeh teli3 wala shi 3a jneb ghayrou :lol:

 
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